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Finally, a Sikh leader with a backbone. http://www.sikhchic....?cat=26&id=3781 Lord INDARJIT SINGH To Teji Bindra New York, USA 25-10-12 Dear Tejinder ji, Sat Sri Akal Re: Sikh Heritage Arts Gala 2012 I am writing to inform you that I will not be attending the Sikh Arts and Film Festival. When Dr Narinder Singh Kapany informed me that Sikhs in New York wished to honour me for becoming the first turbaned Sikh in the British Parliament, I agreed. I was given to understand that it would be at a function of Sikh Heritage Awards. I now learn from the detailed Programme sent me that it is a Festival of Indian Films with dinner and dance in the presence of dignitaries from and representatives of the Indian government. This festive event coincides with the anniversary of the government planned systematic slaughter and rape of thousands of Sikhs throughout the length and breadth of India following the assassination of Indira Gandhi, commencing with Rajiv Gandhi's broadcast incitement of "khoon ka badla khoon" - "Exact blood for blood". ( An official in Africa recently received a lengthy jail term from the International Criminal Court for lesser incitement). Ever since 1984, I have campaigned tirelessly for those responsible for this genocide against Sikhs to be brought to justice through articles in the Sikh Messenger , the Journal of Amnesty International, articles in the Times, the Guardian and other British, French, American and Arabic journals and in radio and TV broadcasts. My effort and those of many others for the Indian government to respect civilised norms and bring those responsible to justice have simply fallen on deaf ears. In the circumstances, I hope you will understand why on the anniversary of this massacre, I cannot join you with your guests from the Indian government. My apologies for any inconvenience. Kind regards Dr. Indarjit Singh ( Lord Singh of Wimbledon)

There are several dialects in Punjabi. There is a Malwa dialect, Doaba dialect and Majha dialect. Therefore the two sentences you posted are punjabi from my understanding but they are different dialects. Like I would use the first one but my friends use the second one. It just depends on where in Punjab you go, because certain areas have different dialects than others.

Someone with amazing talent like Jaspal Bhatti, when they pass away it impacts many people. Veer if you are uncomfortable then you don't have to read the thread no offense. He was one of the rare people who criticized corruption openly. This was a very sad news I grew up watching him on tv he was a great person.

Sant Baba Jesus Ji Nazareth Wale

A zillion salutes to this Singh!!!

This is the real Shiv Sena. They can attack only innocent cab drivers, students, journalists and others like these poor workers who sound from their accent as natives of either Bihar or UP. They cannot and will not dare to as much as come close to a real Singh of Sri Dasmesh Pita jee. Making loud and provocative videos and putting them on YouTube is the max they can do as their vain attempt to scare. Singhs challenged them to come to a spot at a scheduled date and time but not a single one showed up.

Very sad news - Waheguru - he leaves many memories

That annoys me to the max. Im like hello Maharaj Ji is sitting right there! Even my Mum and Dad do it, i managed to get my Dad to stop but my Mum just cannot help herself!

And first one is Malwa Best dialect in my opinion haha!

The second one is Doaba dialect! :biggrin2: The best dialect! :tongue2:

Phaji please don't call the angs in SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI pages.... I find it disrespectful. Pul chuk maf

WaheGuru Jee Ka Khalsa, WaheGuru Jee Ke Fateh! Guru Roop Pyare Saadh Sangat Ji with Guru Maharaj’s Beant Kirpa, Continued Support and Ardas from the Sangat, we have organised an Akhand Paath for our Mother, Mata Sahib Kaur Jee. Sri Sukhmani Sahib Paath Thursday 01st November 2012 - 12pm - 13:30pm Arambh Akhand Paath Sahib - Thursday Nov 01st 2012 @ 14:00pm Bhog Akhand Paath Sahib - Saturday 03rd November 2012 @ 14:00pm Followed by Kirtan and Katha by various Jathae. Please see the attached poster for timings and further details. For further Information please call 07508 821776. Please circulate amongst your friends and family; let’s get the word around and Sangat down. All Sangat are requested to attend. We look forward to seeing you All! Please Grace us with your Darshan. :waheguru: Pull Chuk Maaf Karni. Sewa Team WaheGuru Jee Ka Khalsa, WaheGuru Jee Ke Fateh!

Just posting this behalf of member from Sikhawareness.com so that sangat can take laha of this amazing website. Loads of hard work is being put on audio books/website from amazing singhs from bc/alberta.

NOVEMBER 1984 GENOCIDE Tuesday 30 October 2012 from 6-8pm in the UK Parliament Portcullis House, Westminister The Sikh Federation (UK) announced on Sunday 14 October 2012 at Guru Arjan Dev Ji Gurdwara, Derby when commemorating the Shaheedi of Harjinder Singh Jinda and Sukhdev Singh Sukha that an event will be taking place on Tuesday 30 October in the UK Parliament. MPs, Lords and Sikhs will be gathering on Tuesday 30 October from 6-8pm in Boothroyd Room, Portcullis House, Westminister (in the new Houses of Parliament building) where the National Sikh Youth Federation (NSYF) will be launching a new exhibition (see details below). A Candle in the Dark – An Exhibition of Sikh History The National Sikh Youth Federation will on 30 October launch in the UK Parliament an exhibition of Sikh history. This exhibition will showcase how, in the context of Sikh history, Guru Nanak’s mission to build a truly utopian society encountered violent opposition. We will take you on a journey through the challenges we have faced from the beginnings of the Sikh Way, right up to the shocking events of our recent history, the Delhi Genocide of November 1984. This exhibition is being launched to commemorate the atrocities of the Delhi genocide in November 1984. An estimated 30,000 Sikhs were killed in an orchestrated and premeditated attack aiming to vanquish enduring proponents of Guru Nanak’s ideology; who did not succumb to the atrocities of the attack on Amritsar (Operation Blue Star) and the purge of Sikh youth in Operation Woodrose. This will be a national exhibition, which will tour the United Kingdom for 6-8 weeks with venues currently booked in: London 31st Oct – 4th Nov Midlands 8th Nov – 11th Nov Leeds 15th Nov – 18th Nov Glasgow 22nd Nov – 25th Nov Cardiff 29th Nov – 2nd Dec The event will raise awareness about the November 1984 genocide and the continued human rights abuses in Punjab with a special focus on the cases of Kulbir Singh Barapind and Daljit Singh Bittu (see Urgent Appeal by Khalsa Human Rights). Hear from speakers from the National Sikh Youth Federation and Sikh Federation (UK) as well as MPs and Lords that attend the event. Please contact your MP and ask him or her to attend the event on Tuesday 30 October 2012 between 6-8pm in the Boothroyd Room, Portcullis House, Westminister. The number of Sikhs able to attend the event in Parliament will be limited to around 100. Please contact the Sikh Federation (UK) on sikhfederationuk@yahoo.co.uk to book your seat.

A tale that is, sadly. so common. Guys in similar situations (i.e. the husband) need to understand that the sympathy will always be with the female because of her "fish out of water" situation, as well as the common misconception that the female has been plucked from her village back home and forced to marry the so-called foreigner. Of course there are those cases where the female is genuinely aggrieved and the husband and his family do commit horrible crimes against newly-arrived brides, which means people are automatically biased against the male and assume he has done wrong without any facts having come to the surface. Killing the lady was completely wrong, and that should not be condoned. As suggested above he should've grassed her up and sent her packing. But that's easy to say in hindsight I suppose.

Raam de naal tu England aaja pharava!! :biggrin2:

Who is Har Jas Kaur? No, I am not quitting anything yaar. I am tired man, thats why teasing you throughout this thread :p . Its a boring Friday afternoon and the bloody hurricane is coming only next week :D :D :D

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my mum and dad have never done it :D. although the darbar and palikin of guru granth sahib don't have any pictures on them. i think guru granth sahibs throne should be decorated with shastar and bani, not pictures.

i agree with you. theres nothing wrong. they help show and remember our history. the only thing i see wrong is when people start bowing down to the pictures when the guru granth sahib is behind them.

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with pictures or even keeping them inside the Langar halls and stuff, but I just believe they should never be worshiped as idols. They are powerful tools of portraying history and there is nothing at all wrong with it.

Indarjit Singh has been very consistent on this issue and also on the issue of self determination (including for Sikhs). A Sikh Federation (UK) representative recalls a meeting with a UK Foreign Minister several years ago when Sikhs from a number of Sikh organisations met the Minister as there were serious tensions bewteen India and Pakistan and the threat of war. Indarjit Singh was very vocal on his support for self determination for minorities in India (including the Sikhs) He and others (who are seen as representatives of the Sikhs) who take a positive stance should be congratulated. Equallly when they express controversial views contrary to the teachings or practice of our Gurus (such as on the wearing of the 5 Ks) they should be condemned.

Malwa #1 !

Lol yeah i get you. I meant generally, not you personally Ji. People just rush through Nitnem and wait for the panj chorr to disappear as if they've take a dose of medicine. Thing is though, they didnt read the directions for use!

Nothing is good or bad, its just start meditating on vahiguroo mantar or mool mantar /japji to transcendent or advance even one can meditate on panj baniya and transcedent given the fact its not ritualistic..thats all...!!

You're wrong. You're stuck in the tribal mindset of the shariapanthi pot-bellied so-called Singhs

WJKK WJKF, thats a good question. I'll give you a small example which is sort of related to what your asking although it would be better if a knowledgeable Gursikh answers your question. Its about the Sant who is mentioned in my signature. Sometimes they would get so absorbed into the Naam and would be in a state of samaadhi before they had even tied their dastaar, hence, in most old photographs and the odd painting Sant Ji is always without a dastaar and their kes is flowing.

Yes we don't worship pictures but with that being said, guru maharaj in pictorial/artistic form invoke a devotional feeling inside- thats why we have pictorial representation of guru's, puratan shahids-murids, historical frescos/drawing of guru's maharaj, guru maharaj relics, iconic symbolism such as khanda,nishan sahib etc etc. Now its kind of trend to say these days- we don't believe in pictures, rather we should be carefully drawing line and saying- all though we have our own share of sargun symbolism to invoke devotional feeling inside ultimately our goal is shabad guru. So coming to the topic. Op needs to be honest with himself- if by looking at these pictures along with ikongkar in sargun(visible) saroop if it invokes devotional feeling inside than keep it with satkaar. If his avastha its more leaning towards shabad nirgun truly (not hybrid type) than go ahead agan bhet these pictures as too much wrapping your head around sarguna itself is a road block in one's spirituality..although sargun and nirgun is one but the idea is not to confine in it- get stuck wrapping your head around it but rather spontaneously go with the flow, read my sig for more info.

Im not from the USA but heres a custom printers. We have them in the UK as well. www.spreadshirt.com/ Im not sure if they have the exact type you're looking for but worth a try. Oh and be careful what you get printed on it. Eg. Babbar Khalsa Logo. Just incase....You dont want Homeland Security to deliver your jacket.

Jesus was really a great spiritual soul and we should have total respect for him, and not refer to him as ‘Jewish boy’. He performed miracles and they actually happened because AkaalPurkh sends these souls to put mankind on the right path but their message gets manipulated and people wonder off into wrong directions but that is not the fault of the messenger. I have heard of a number of incidents where Jesus has appeared to sant/mahapursh and the message from Jesus is always the same . . . . . follow Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

dhan dhan mata sahib kaur ji

shaheed beant singh is mahan shaheed jassi jasraj is only speaker and raising sikh voice, but still doing good job than other singers these days

I can't understand. How did the disabled guy kill the cow? (P.S. just to add, I watched it on mute...so I might have missed it if they explained it somehow).

If a Singh doesn't fix these guys Jamdoodhs will beat these guys until the end of time.

Ridiculous t-ban mindset. Waheguru resides in all beings equally. I wish we could identify who these dogs are. Clearly are Punjabi...

just for killing a cow... :'( waheguru,.... i cant see it no more...

He will be remembered for his wry one-liners Bhatti dared to call spade a spade, and yet was an incredibly well-liked person Jaspal Bhatti, the very mention of whose name would bring an involuntary smile to one’s lips, today evokes a heartfelt emotion of deep loss. Satirist, comedian, actor, director and columnist with The Tribune, Bhatti’s untimely demise in a road accident in the wee hours of Thursday morning leaves behind a void that would be hard to fill. ‘Irreplaceable’ is the word well-known comedian Gurpreet Ghuggi uses to describe Bhatti’s place in the world of laughter. He goes on to state that with him Punjab saw the advent of a new era of comedy that was a far cry from buffoonery. He says: “For here was a man who made people double up in laughter with his wry one-liners and not silly antics.” Undeniably, Bhatti, who put Chandigarh on the laughter map of India and whose dead pan expression held millions in a thrall, set new refreshing standards of satire. He had the singular ability to infuse humour in everyday situations and address the common man’s problems through wit and jibes. Sarcasm was his forte and he knew how to use it effectively and purposefully. The man who mocked at one and all had the cheek to poke fun at himself too. Samples of this are ample on his official website. Even the credit of his films, including the latest “Power Cut” that hits the cinema on Friday and marks the debut of his son Jasraj Bhatti reads - (mis)directed by Jaspal Bhatti. Today Punjabi films might be ruling the roost but remember it was way back in 1998 that his Punjabi film “Mahaul Theek Hai” broke records and ran for over 13 weeks. If in his last feature film he spoofed the police force, “Power Cut” is a satire on the state’s power situation. Incidentally, this Punjab Engineering College graduate had got his first job in the Punjab State Electricity Board. Ironically, the man who dared to call spade a spade was an incredibly well-liked person “for people understood that he had no axe to grind,” said his close associate and actor of many serials Vinod Sharma. If his uncanny sense of humour pulsated in his works right from his popular serials like “Ulta-Pulta”, “Flop Show” and the DVD film “Jija Ji” and much more, in person too he brimmed with it. Sharma recalls how Bhatti created a bouquet out of recycled products when he went to congratulate Rock Garden creator Nek Chand. The Nonsense Club that he founded in 1980s as a student of PEC was yet another testimony to his wacky ideas. But his barbs were not misplaced or misdirected. Not loud or vulgar either. No wonder Ghuggi says: “He never hurt anybody and even if he did lampoon them, I bet his subjects too would not have been able to resist a hearty laugh.” In fact, Ghuggi views him as someone who not only showed the way to many comedians of Punjab but also how to walk en route that path. One person who has walked along with Bhatti shoulder to shoulder is his wife Savita Bhatti. She has played an integral and stellar role in his work. Acting in his serials, she has been involved in his projects right from the stage of genesis, together creating work of consequence. Four years ago, to hone the talent of the region, they set up MadArts Jaspal Bhatti Film School. Though Bhatti may not have got the credit for it, the fact remains that he was instrumental in carving a niche for the turbaned image of Sikhs, both on the television and in popular Hindi cinema. An actor of many Bollywood films like “Fanaa” and “Aa Ab Laut Chalen”, he sincerely believed that the unflattering portrayal of Sikhs in the Hindi cinema was a thing of the past. The son of Punjab born in Amritsar in 1955 aspired to make a Hindi film too. On the anvil was also the mission to set up India’s first comedy school. But dreams die young. In his case much was achieved, yet there were many more miles to go. Alas, at 57, he has fallen asleep forever.

Survivors of Nov 84 living in the UK are encouraged to attend the event in the UK Parliament on Tuesday 30 October from 6-8pm and give first hand accounts to UK MPs of your experience.

If jesus received naam he would have been one of the bhagats of bani and a very important one as well, he is stated from the islamic tradition as being a paigambhar we can find several saloks which correspond to one of the gnostic gospels but they were revered by some early muslims which entered the sufi tradition later on such as the gospel of thomas, if you are well versed with gurbani upon reading the gospel of thomas you will see similarites

We do have some understanding that the tribe of jews jesus is born in, we can trace the roots of judaism from grand greek philisophers who were more sophisticated, richer and well off than the jews in the past saw the jews were a tribe of brahmins who originated from india utilise vedic beliefs it seems also being inspired from pagan beliefs as well as zoroastrianism we can trace many jewish words to ancient sanskrit, it is indicated by many linguistic experts hebrew originates from sanskrit. So since jesus is reforming judaism trying to bring back the core of it, from all the numerous libraries of judaism which didn't make it to the bible to be devoid of priest corruption he is bringing back the origins of the indian traditions much of which guru nanak is teaching us, as satguru nanak is giving the original faith of humanity. Christianity is filled with troublesome ideas if we want to compare it we could probably complete the gospel collections using gurbani. Jesus probably wasn't vegetarian he probably wore a dastar had a big dhari had long hair it was trimmed, he was circumcised since this was a well accepted jewish boy being referred to as rabia a priest, his knowledge of judaism is understood to be great since he can easily debate and defeat grand priests before they have him executed for committing blasphemy.

Waheguru, honest sikh, baba nanak de charnan ch niwas mille es nek ruh nun.

Thank you to all who have replied and sent me PM's. I have been doing loads of paat and that has calmed me down immensely, and hopefully soon I will be able to give my father a call or visit him and tell him the truth about how I feel about this. But he has to follow his own path in the end and who knows which way that goes. It's all Maharaaj's hukam in the end

What a sad loss. He was great at political satire, always taking a dig at corrupt politicians.

can u do something practical, like start a wake up call service via phone or start a network where ppl from certain areas call each other or get together for sangat........ or appoint a sevadaar for every area and gave them the seva for wakin up...... maybe after your series regarding the importance of amrit vela, you can offer these options, for those who wish they could

I have seen this posted around and discussed and a lot of people are "outraged"!!! But... is the local Hindu community hiring the hall out to practice their religious Pooja/rituals? If so, what is the problem? Its not as if Sikhs have to enter the hall whilst it is happening and its not in the Gurdwara itself!? Are we becoming too intolerant that we now cant even handle other faiths using our community halls for occasional religious events? Yes their form of worship is seen as against the principles of Sikhism but for example Guru Hargobind Ji allocated an area for muslims to pray in Hargobindpur and so Guru Ji is okey with it and facilitated a permanent structure being built for other faiths to pray why cant we allow access to temporary facilities?! . Just my opinion though.

Here is my take on it below..take whatever you will..its more of general observation on how gurbani are being interpreted and their approach, which ultimately relates to this topic as well. This point is well understood that gurbani is never contradictory, but the limited approach or method of interpreting gurbani only by vikayaran to ensure - Gurbani is never contradictory. That method itself is highly questionable should be put under scrutiny, after all we are dealing with dhur ki bani - infinite nirgun gyan saroop not kavita of some poet or some tool to fight rss only or some soccer match where its all about scoring goals by hook or crook...!! We start off by discussing the basic frame work of both thoughts (modern day thoughts and traditional thought) to ensure gurbani is not contradictory. Modern day approach- interpret gurbani only by using grammar, some people with modern day approach pick up their favorite shabad and use guru sahib position held in that shabad of subject (be it on vedas or avtars) and make that position held in that shabad as "primary" and go to extreme lengths to apply that position held all across the board by making position held in various shabad align them with the first (their favorite shabad) without taking into context of various shabad of same subject. Modern day approach based their interpretation as close as victorian/protestantant version of sikhi/tat khalsa revionist theory, beleive in wrathful vahiguroo- christian version of vahiguroo. Modern day approach falls apart when you ask them to define rajo,tamo, satogun, concept of parloa, turiya avastha, beautiful sargun/nirgun theological concepts, jiv-bhram etka-atma-paratma etc, four types of mukhti etc all listed in gurbani? and finally Does nirgun vahiguroo have any vikayaran? NO...he cannot be confined by vikayaran according to sidhant listed of nirgun in jaap sahib and rest in sri guru granth sahib ji Eh akhar kirh jaingaie, vo akhar inn mein nahi | Akhar Dristh Man Jaita Nanak Parbhram Nirlaipa || Gurmat traditional approach or sanatan whatever you call it: To ensure gurbani is not contradictory it lays out three main frame work in interpretating gurbani- a) uthanka-historical context of shabad- sankalap(thought) behind guru sahib reciting an respective shabad b) bhav arth- provided outer layer of shabad where some level of vikayaran is used c) antriv arth- inner layer of shabad which could be interpretating both from sargun and nirgun aspect of Vahiguroo. Hence you will find multiple meanings of same shabad. This is no way to be seen as contradictory quite the opposite as intertwin relationship with sargun and nirgun rather because gurbani connects to our human consciousness which all have different perceptions and sitting on different stages.

Yeah, I've seen his interviews. To this day he hasn't got a single promotion due to not part-taking in the genocide of the Sikhs. Important lesson is if you want to be promoted in India, you should support the Sikh genocide or have some part in it.

SheikFareed ji, you've got the right idea there. It is more of a relaxed neck !! You probably thinking it is already relaxed because you're not putting any effort in keeping it upright. Well, that's because we have become conditioned to keeping it up without realising. All the muscles are engaged in the neck when upright so as to keep it balanced. After someone breaks their neck, then it just rolls down and they have to retrain other muscles to keep it upright- we are lucky because we do it with out any forced effort. Just think of when a baby is growing in the first 4-6 months, it can't control it's neck at all. Even when seated upright the neck drops, but slowly it conditions to keeping it straight without effort. -You see, quite easy. Now, when doing simran and in samadhi fo example, the person is much more attuned into the consciousness and then the brain and mind attachment gets weaker. At these stages then the involuntary automatic muscles begin to switch off and your neck droops or reclines. In simran the battle is on with the mind, brain and consciousness. The consciuosness tries to free itself and detach whilst the mind will keep pumping thoughts and signals to the brain to get a reaction by trying to distract. However, if you can train yourself to NOT respond to the thoughts or signals and simply ignore them, then the brain activity starts to diminish and the conscious gets more detached from the brain and mind whilst you get into deeper simran and samadhi. This is all with the grace of the guru that it happens, although people try to look at it scientifically. The ability to do it can not be obtained scientifically, it's ALL his doing.

History Book of 2110.... "the battlefield thundered as they roared their war cry....the Khalsa Sikhs fought fiercely like dinosaurs..." :khalsa2:

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