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It's ok bro no need to be sad it's actually good and recommended to take a deep dive in gurbani for hours contemplating on it rather than look at the time or rushing it. We are told to do panj baniyas but it's not defined how fast these needs to be done if it did that would be ritualistic itself as there is no hard and fast rule in spirituality as methods are used based on individual state of mind. I would say when we recite gurbani slowly, contemplating on it we are letting it penetrate inside our mind fully ...Hence, reaping its full benefit that's highly recommended for beginners... those who do it fast they are doing for different reason improving their surti more, are walking path of intermediate stage shabad surat or they may be unconsciously performing karam kaand/check list in their daily routine because lack of guidance in gursikhi bhagti marg. By sangat of mahapursh and elder gursikhs i came to understanding that - First stage is invoking bhagti,pyaar, bibek/understanding,vichar, prem bairaag towards guru maharaj by reading sehaj patt or diving deep into gurbani 2nd stage use shabad surat to go inside internally and then slowly by guru maharaj kirpa and using self inquiry by seeker walk the path towards third and final stage is (sargun and nirgun da milaap- advait avastha (One vision state- sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai- gyan of shabad/self realization of our real self-atma/paratma.

gurfateh g i noticed something there are so many questions here that would be answered just by consulting gurbani ask sant kabeer ji who talks about this directly Alhu ek masīṯ basaṯ hai avar mulakẖ kis kerā. If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? Hinḏū mūraṯ nām nivāsī ḏuh mėh ṯaṯ na herā. ||1|| According to the Hindus, the Lord's Name abides in the idol, but there is no truth in either of these claims. ||1|| Alah rām jīva▫o ṯere nā▫ī. Keval nām japahu re parānī ṯab hī nihcẖai ṯarnā. ||6||2|| Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ||6||2|| O Allah, O Raam, I live by Your Name. Ŧū kar mihrāmaṯ sā▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o. Please show mercy to me, O Master. ||1||Pause|| Ḏakẖan ḏes harī kā bāsā pacẖẖim alah mukāmā. (people say) The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. Ḏil mėh kẖoj ḏilai ḏil kẖojahu ehī ṯẖa▫ur mukāmā. ||2|| So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives. ||2|| Barahman gi▫ās karahi cẖa▫ubīsā kājī mah ramjānā. The Brahmins observe twenty-four fasts during the year, and the Muslims fast during the month of Ramadaan. Gi▫ārėh mās pās kai rākẖe ekai māhi niḏẖānā. ||3|| The Muslims set aside eleven months, and claim that the treasure is only in the one month. ||3|| Kahā udīse majan kī▫ā ki▫ā masīṯ sir nāʼn▫eʼn. What is the use of bathing at Orissa? Why do the Muslims bow their heads in the mosque? Ḏil mėh kapat nivāj gujārai ki▫ā haj kābai jāʼn▫eʼn. ||4|| If someone has deception in his heart, what good is it for him to utter prayers? And what good is it for him to go on pilgrimage to Mecca? ||4|| Ėṯe a▫uraṯ marḏā sāje e sabẖ rūp ṯumĥāre. You fashioned all these men and women, Lord. All these are Your Forms. Kabīr pūngrā rām alah kā sabẖ gur pīr hamāre. ||5|| Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. ||5|| Kahaṯ Kabīr sunhu nar narvai parahu ek kī sarnā. Says Kabeer, listen, O men and women: seek the Sanctuary of the One. Keval nām japahu re parānī ṯab hī nihcẖai ṯarnā. ||6||2|| Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ||6||2|| wahgroooo look at those strong words not a sense of duality here at all wahgroo wahgroo wahgroo dhan wahgrooo but if thats not enough to convince you of the vishaal path our Guru Sahibaan gave us read this varaṯ na raha▫o na mah ramḏānā. I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan. Ŧis sevī jo rakẖai niḏānā. ||1|| I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. ||1|| just go to srigranth.org and search the word fast why debate gurmat like this when guru sahib has a clear answer

This so-called 'gay Sikh', how much of a Sikh is he in the first place? Nowadays people think just being born into a supposedly Sikh (i.e. typical Panjabi) family automatically makes you a Sikh, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Sikhi must be earned, it cannot be inherited. And a true Sikh would realise that homosexuality is not compatible with a Gursikhi jeevan. I have no problem with gay/straight/bisexual people, they are free to do as they please. But I do have an issue with those who try to twist Sikh teachings and Gurbani to suit their own agenda. The Twitter account holder wrote "if it was condemned, it'd also be in the bani, but there's no reference at all", firstly just look at the way he referred to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he calls Guru Ji "the bani". It makes me wonder, he is making a song and dance about being a 'gay Sikh' but how in tune is he with the message of Gurbani and Sikhi, if he cannot even refer to Guru Ji in the correct, respectful manner. Also, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not a rule book which contains edicts on all the topics under the sun. Gurbani teaches us how we should live our life, and forms the basis of our Rehat Marayada which clearly states that "A Sikh man and woman should enter wedlock without giving thought to the prospective spouse's caste and descent." There is no mention of a Sikh woman and woman entering wedlock, or a Sikh man and man entering wedlock- just a Sikh woman with a Sikh man. The only relationship permitted is that between a Sikh man and woman, which would be solemnized via an Anand Karaj. The Anand Karaj is the starting point of a grisht jeevan. If your relationship/marriage cannot be solemnized via an Anand Karaj, then it is not recognised by Guru Ji, and the last time I checked, homosexuals were not permitted to have an Anand Karaj in a Gurdwara.

Not necessarily a conspiracy; there might really be gays born into Sikh families who are terrfied of coming out... ...and before anyone tries to be clever, no, I'm not one of them, and this isn't a cry for help. :lol2:

We need to decrease the speed. Take as long as you want! As long you've understood what you've read rather than done path and that's it (freedom) < concept of the mind.

The guy is just a confused fool who wants to justify his kaam for people of the same gender. I've read a few of his discussions and it is amazing how often people like him who claim they want a discussion are so quick to shut down the discussion by claiming the other person is homophobic! You just hit the nail on the head, But fools like gaysikh will never understand this because it would mean that he can't impose his homosexual views onto Sikhs.

Whatever it is yaar, I seriously miss Ramadan in Dubai, the way it used to be when I was in high school. 5 hours of work/school, late night favorite Hindi movies on local channels, shopping frenzy all over the city, 2 AM traffic jams, etc. etc. We would eagerly wait for it because that was the 1 month of the year when non-Muslims would have a lot lot more fun than Muslims, LOL, no kidding! What I do NOT miss is the excessive religious programs on TV throughout the day (yes, these were followed by the Hindi movies LOL, ironic huh?), the apprehension of chewing gum on the road and getting arrested/slapped by a frustrated/starving cop etc. Top of all, I definitely do NOT miss the unbearable stench from their mouths as a result of having eaten all night and then NOT brushing their teeth, since, according to one of my dad's colleagues "You know sir, the more bad smell comes from your mouth during Ramadan, the closer you are to Allah" (I swear I am NOT kidding).

First of all I don't the question by the OP. The only reason I can think of a Sikh undertaking the Ramadan fast and thereby going against the teachings of the Gurus is that he/she has brought into the propaganda of Muslims that is everywhere during Ramadan. There is going to be a programme on Channel 4 about how great Ramadan is. The usual propaganda, how it';s a spiritual MOT! How it makes them think about the starving blah blah blah, Most of it is BS. Muslims fast because they have to, otherwise they get shunned by other Muslims. I would be weary of all those reports that majority of Muslims fast, I am sure a lot of them have a sneaky snack out of sight from other Muslims. If you cut through the propaganda, you will realise that Ramadan is not really a fast at all. Most Muslims stuff their faces before sunrise and then again after sunset. It is more of a change of eating habits, changing from three small meals throughout the day to two big meals at the start and end of the day. In most Muslim countries the restaurants and food outlets have to close down during the daylight hours. Non-Muslims can be beaten up and arrested if they eat anything in public because this will offend Muslims!

I personally think paki01 is now showing his true colours...first it was about getting in with the crowd with emphasizing one similarity...being panjabi..balle balle shava shava etc...now the inshallah etc is kickin in slowly.......us siks are very hospitable and a little naive to outsiders/strangers etc and welcome with open arms but sikh should not let their guard drop....paki01 cleary chooses who to answer to and who to ignore... sorry to say singh/kaurs this maybe a small and stupid example but this is how grooming and uni girls get trapped is fundementalist islamic preachers who chew and spit our sikh girls bodies...from a secondary source i hear very regulary the muslim guys would befriend male and females sikh as just friends and then these same sikhs will introduce them to a sikh girl for a "date"....im sure SA could shed some more light...

we are all aware of the trends in present day society there is one great demon of brahminical origin that is far away form sikh principles but still has crept in sikh societies we commonly are confronted with words like - jatts,ramgharias,bhappas,khatris etc etc... and ego-clashes among them how and from where this castiesm has crept in our society ?? the society which was based on:- "manas ki jaat sabhae eko pehchaanbo" what problems and dillusions it causes in minds of sikhs??? and how should we eradicate it and tackle it in our daily life???

WJKK WJKF Fellow brethren, A friend who was bought up sikh by his parents has recently confessed his desire to become muslim. He's gone as far as fasting, studying arabic, conforming to prayers, and stunningly bringing up both his offspring against sikhi and instead, full of islamic values. I don't agree with his omission but can't seem to blame him, our fathers, forefathers never adopted the sikh gown or adhered it to their children so how was he gonna be any different? I rather accept how he said 'I was told to go to the gurdwara, bow, have prasaad and then go; I was never told what was being said nor could I understand it' at times he said 'blokes can talk in the prayer room as they please, often smelling of booze and cigarettes'-is this God's he said to me? His quest with Islam is begining fruition, what I wanted to ask the sangat was that can I do anything, persuade, inform, educate or at least show this person the biggest regret he could be making....what would you do? Thoughts please....

With all his wealth and influence did this maharaja help sikhi in Punjab - I don't know too much about the maharajas but he looks to be quiet ahem a character? http://www.britishpathe.com/video/maharaja-of-patiala A dinner set commissioned by the former Maharaja of Patiala has been sold at auction for $3m (£1.9m). The set was purchased by an anonymous collector, Christie's in London said. The set weighs nearly 500kg (1,100lb). Every single piece in the magnificent 1,400-piece silver-gilt set has elaborate decorations. The dining set was commissioned by Maharaja Bhupinder Singh in 1922 for a visit to Patiala by the Prince of Wales, later King Edward VIII. Each piece comes with "a scroll and foliage border above cast and chased panels of animals, separated by cast daggers, variously engraved or cast with coat-of-arms, crown and initials" and was sold as part of the auction house's "Exceptional Sale", Christie's said in a statement to the BBC. The gold-plated silver dinner service was ordered from London to honour the three-day royal visit which culminated in a magnificent banquet on 24 February 1922, the auction house said. Patiala, which is in the Indian state of Punjab, was among the wealthiest princely states of British India. The exquisite banqueting service gives an insight into the maharaja's colourful and lavish lifestyle. He was the first Indian to own an aircraft and was also an avid and early motorcar enthusiast who owned and travelled in a motorcade of up to 20 Rolls Royce cars. The maharaja was also the captain of the Indian cricket team. Historians say he married many times and took in many lovers and sired dozens of children. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23176581

CONFERENCE IN EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT EXPOSES CONTINUED HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN INDIA Sikhs from across Europe pass resolutions in the European Parliament calling for the: 1984 killing of Sikhs to be recognised as Genocide Abolition of the Death Penalty in India Immediate release of Professor Davinderpal Singh Bhullar An end to negotiations for the Free Trade Agreement between the EU and India due to continued human rights abuses in India Right of Sikhs to self-determination and to have their own independent Sikh homeland 26 June 2013 The Sikh Federation (UK) having previously organised numerous lobbies and meetings organised the first ever Sikh conference at the European Parliament on Tuesday 25 June. The subject chosen was Human Rights Abuses and the Death Penalty in India. Bill Newton Dunn a Liberal Democrat UK Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from the East Midlands and a member of the India Delegation hosted the 3-hour conference and welcomed Sikhs from a number of countries across Europe – UK, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. The conference was chaired throughout by Gurmel Singh of the Sikh Federation (UK). The conference was divided into four plenary sessions, but even before proceedings started MEPs such as Nigel Farage the leader of the UK Independence Party came to meet UK Sikhs and listen to their concerns. Others that met UK Sikhs in advance were Sajjad Karim a Conservative MEP from the North West who also joined Sikhs later in the conference and Glenis Willmott a Labour MEP from the East Midlands. Glenis was crucial in helping secure the right for Amritdhari Sikhs to wear the Kirpan in the European Parliament. This right was first fully exercised on mass in January 2013 and repeated yesterday with even larger numbers of Amritdhari Sikhs. The first session was about the June 1984 Sikh genocide and mass human rights abuses in Punjab by the Indian authorities and the November 1984 massacre of innocent Sikhs. The speakers for the first session were Jaspal Singh and Jaswinder Singh from the UK. A number of video clips were used throughout the conference to visually highlight different issues covered. Marina Yannakoudakis a Conservative MEP from London expressed a specific interest in learning more about the plight of Sikhs. The main speaker for the second session was Sukhvinder Singh from the UK. This session was about the death penalty in India, including the case of Professor Davinderpal Singh Bhullar and the reasons for Balwant Singh Rajoana’s actions. Several MEPs later spoke about their opposition to the death penalty. Sajjad Karim a Conservative MEP from the North West spoke about his opposition to the death penalty despite surviving the Taj Hotel attack in Mumbai in November 2008. He also said he was heavily involved in negotiations on behalf of the EU with India being the rapporteur on the free trade agreement between the EU and India and specifically requested evidence against Kamal Nath as continues to have direct dealings with him. The third session was about on-going human rights abuses of the Sikhs with reference to the illegal arrest and torture of political opponents Kulbir Singh Barapind and Daljit Singh Bittu; the unprovoked police murder of 18-year old Jaspal Singh in March 2012; the torture and police murder of 24-year old Shaminder Singh Shera and 17-year old Veer Singh in January 2011 and January 2012 respectively; and the death in police custody of Sohanjit Singh and Kulwant Singh and in March 2011 and February 2012 respectively. Jaspal Singh from the UK spoke about each of these cases and Dabinderjit Singh reiterated their present significance alongside the death penalty cases. The session was concluded by Maninder Singh from the UK who spoke about the True face of Indian democracy: Indian politicians facing criminal charges and failures in India’s judicial system. Numerous other MEPs contributed during the conference, including Edward McMillan-Scott the Vice President of the European Parliament for Democracy and Human Rights and Liberal Democrat MEP from Yorkshire and the Humber who later tweeted ‘Interesting Sikh Federation (UK) meeting in EU Parliament today to discuss rights of Sikhs in India and abolition of the death penalty’. Other MEPs that spoke included Jean Lambert a Green Party MEP from London and the Chair of the South Asia Delegation; Michael Cashman, a Labour MEP from the West Midlands; David Martin, a Labour MEP from Scotland; and Anthea McIntyre, a Conservative MEP from the West Midlands. Two MEPs from Italy also took part, Francesco De Angelis and Patrizia Toia. Around 15-20 assistants of MEPs attended the conference and Sikhs from the UK also met separately with MEPs such as Richard Howitt a Labour MEP from the Eastern region who was unable to attend the conference. Dabinderjit Singh from the UK presented the fourth and final session about justice delayed is justice denied and the right to self-determination as Sikhs have entered the 30th year since the June 1984 Indian army attack on the Golden Temple Complex. The session was concluded by Harjinder Singh speaking about identity discrimination in Belgium and the denial of Sikh human rights and difficulties in different European countries, such as France, Austria and Italy. This was also linked to the issue of Sikh self-determination and how a Sikh homeland would be of benefit to Sikhs throughout the Diaspora. The conference concluded with the reading of the five conference resolutions produced below. Sikhs present then passed these resolutions in the Sikh traditional manner of five loud Jakaaray of ‘Jo Bole So Nihal Sat Sri Akal’ - ‘Who so declares, Truth is Eternal, is blessed!’ Meaning - a declaration of allegiance to the Guru, and ultimately aligning oneself with the public struggle for truth and justice. These resolutions will now be translated into a number of different languages and taken forward at a national level by Sikhs with their MEPs. Gurjeet Singh National Press Secretary Sikh Federation (UK) Resolutions passed by Sikhs from across Europe at the Conference on Human Rights Abuses and the Death Penalty in India in the European Parliament on 25 June 2013 Resolution 1 – Recognising the 1984 Sikh Genocide Having regard to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948), the Geneva Convention (1949), and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) recognises the events of June 1984, the mass human rights violations against the Sikhs in Punjab by the Indian authorities and the massacre of innocent Sikhs in November 1984 collectively as the 1984 Sikh Genocide and reiterates its concern and dismay as we enter the 30th anniversary of these events that India has failed to prosecute police officers, politicians and others responsible for this genocide. Resolution 2 – Abolish the death penalty in India Having regard to the European Parliament's Human Rights annual resolutions condemns recent executions by India after an eight year hiatus that run counter to the regional and global trends to abolish capital punishment; recognises the UN Special Rapporteur on extra judicial, summary or arbitrary executions conclusion on India that the death penalty is being imposed for a growing number of crimes; calls upon the Indian Government to put forward an immediate moratorium on the death penalty; reconsider the May 2012 recommendations of United Nations Human Rights Council related to the abolition of the death penalty and calls on the 27 Member States of the European Union, in particular the two permanent members of the UN Security Council, to collectively raise the need for India to abolish the death penalty at the earliest opportunity at the United Nations General Assembly. Resolution 3 – Release Professor Davinderpal Singh Bhullar Having regard to the European Parliament's July 2011 Resolution on India and the death sentence on Professor Davinderpal Singh Bhullar, Article 2 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, EU Guidelines on the Death Penalty, the EU-India Dialogue on Human Rights, Amnesty International calls on 12 April 2013 for the Professor’s death sentence not to be carried out, to remove him from death row immediately and retry his case in proceedings that comply with international fair trial standards; observes the inconsistent approach by the Supreme Court of India who in the case of Mahendra Nath Das on 1 May 2013 granted clemency on the grounds of inordinate delay as his mercy petition against his execution was kept pending by the President, but two weeks earlier rejected a similar petition filed by Professor Bhullar who waited for eight years for a decision by the President; reiterates its concern that recent independent medical reports commissioned by the Indian authorities regarding the Professor’s mental and physical health suggest that on compassionate and moral grounds his death sentence should be commuted; further urges India to release the Professor without further delay given he has spent more than 18 years in prison following a controversial conviction where M B Shah, the Presiding Judge in the Supreme Court had acquitted the Professor based on the evidence presented; recognises this has become more pressing given the unprecedented move by the special public prosecutor, senior advocate Anoop G Chaudhari, who had appeared against the Professor in the Supreme Court in 2002 to state in April 2013 that a judicial error had been made in awarding the death sentence against the Professor and S S Virk, the former Director General of Punjab Police stating in May 2013 that the Professor was not guilty of what he was being accused of and he deserves justice as he and his family have been wronged. Resolution 4 – Continued human rights violations in India and the Free Trade Agreement between the EU and India Having regard to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948), the EU Guidelines on Human Rights Defenders and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union is deeply concerned about the continued human rights violations in India against the minority Sikh community; calls on the Indian Government to prosecute police officers responsible for torture, disproportionate and excessive use of force, illegal detention and extra-judicial killings of Sikhs, calls on the international community to prosecute those in India responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity and calls on the European Commission to end the negotiations with the Government of India for the creation of the Free Trade Agreement between the EU and India. Resolution 5 – Unquestionable right of Sikhs to self-determination and to have their own independent Sikh homeland Having regard to Articles 1, 55 and 56 of the Charter of the United Nations and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966); objects to India’s continued reservation to the right to self-determination and applauds the objections raised by France, Germany and the Netherlands against India’s reservation to reiterate self-determination applies to all people; stresses India has also lost the right to argue the limitation of territorial integrity with regards to Sikhs as the Indian State when it enacted its first Constitution in 1950 it failed to deliver any safeguards or political rights for the Sikhs as a people or nation and has oppressed the Sikhs and other minorities through gross human rights violations; recognises the unquestionable right of Sikhs to self-determination and to have their own independent Sikh homeland; stresses that peaceful and non-violent means are the only way to achieve a just and lasting peace between Sikhs and the Indian State, calls for direct talks between the International Coalition for a Sikh Homeland and the Indian State; and calls on the Council, the Commission and EU Member States to support and deliver assistance to Sikh institutions and development projects with the aim of protecting and strengthening the Sikh population.

VaheguruJiKaKhalsa VaheguruJiKiFateh I was wondering how much jaap of Raag Mala is needed to obtain Gurmat Sangeet Vidiya? I've heard in Giani Thakur Singh Ji's katha about the incident when a Ragi Singh (who was close to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji) went to see a Raag Festival and he said " I know raag too" but the Muslim Sufis just laughed at him. He was upset :sad2: and told about this to Sant Ji. Sant Ji said do 125,000 (Sava Lakh) path of Raag Mala and there alas after his efforts, the raag played for him! Dhan hai Guru de pyare. However, I was thinking how many do you need to do daily (roughly) to obtain this precious gift. VaheguruJiKaKhalsa VaheguruJiKiFateh

There's a movement within the Gay community to claim every great person from history as being gay. If the historic person was unmarried then they claim he must have been gay and if he had a wife and kids then he must have been bisexual. It's a win-win situation for gays as no one can ever prove for certain that someone was or was not gay in history. This so-called rumour was started by some Gay Asian guy in the early 90s. Homosexuality is a form of kaam. It is wanting something that is forbidden. You can call it love but then someone who is a pedophile could say that he also was born that way so if according to the gay sikh fool when defending his perversion, God is perfect then why can it be wrong?

Sikhs need to be forever vigilant, work to pursue our own interests and protect ourselves. No more protecting those who'll stab us in the back. If we can't protect ourselves then how can we possibly do any good in this world? We will always be considered targets as Kaffirs (Kaffirs who knocked Islamic rule out of India no less) and there's no escaping this. Quite simply we can't afford to have our hands tied by political correctness any longer, there have been enough victims. Even one is too much. Fact of the matter is Islam will never allow us or any other faith to co-exist in peace, since it was NEVER designed with such values in mind. If it was capable of that (or anything good for that matter...) we would have surely seen it after 1400 years... We need to be DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE. For DEFENCE... We need to ingrain our Sikh and Punjabi culture in the minds of our people. Most of us don't even know what we are and where we came from. I was EXACTLY the same not so long ago, taught of nothing but historical injustices against Sikhs and never ANY achievements. I was also told not to eat meat on Sundays... which is a silly Hindu practice... How can you take pride in something when you know nothing about it? And all you know is negative and even frustrating? We have an UNMATCHED history through the ages (Look at the ancient Indus Valley Civilization) and NOTHING to feel ashamed of. It's modern day Punjab/India that suffers from crippling, more recently developed problems. For OFFENCE... We must spread knowledge of what Islam TRULY is amongst our own AND the world. It's not slander, it's our duty. Apparently most of the world (including Muslims) can't read their own holy book... How many of our own would suffer if they knew what Islam was about? None. How many White Western women would convert to Islam if they actually READ the Koran and weren't just fed lies on how 'equal' and 'respected' women are in Islam? I'm willing to bet that would stop dead. Once people know the truth, they can make up their own minds and do what they want. There's nothing wrong with having Muslim friends, AS LONG AS you know what teachings they follow and what they're capable of. Sikhs shouldn't be complicit in these lies about Islam being a 'Religion of Peace' any longer. It's an information war, and if we don't play we'll lose. NEVER be afraid to quote the Koran to ANYONE. You have NO idea how that knowledge may help/save that person. Several times I was sent messages from well meaning members of the forum that I should probably expect to be put under quality control or banned, despite the fact that all I was doing was posting quotes straight out of the Muslim sources (which anyone can Google) and news articles. And what happened? Turns out I was absolutely right to refute his lies, our resident Islamist PakistaniPunjabi01 just exploded (pun intended) on everyone and denigrates our faith moreso than any non-Muslim ever could... And yet we have people on this forum saying that it's White people we should be worried about! I'm still here, and PakistaniPunjabi01 got banned. Political correctness gets us nowhere, and he'd probably still be here crapping on us if he went unchallenged. I thank the mods for their great wisdom. We should be proud of exposing the lying loser Sullah for what he really was, someone who clearly harboured ill will for us all along, even if he first restrained himself to being passive aggressive at first and even playing the victim 'Islamophobe' card. The community and the mods on this forum gave him plenty of chances, and he continually chose to answer logical debate by either ignoring peoples posts or claiming victimhood, then spewing insults and eventually blind hate. See how easily he shifted from one to the other? Was he not capable of reading through his posts and holding his resentment back? Good riddance. A Sikh would never get that kind of respect and leeway on a Muslim forum. He can try and claim he has links to a great piece of land called Punjab, but we will never be the same. I do wish his posts weren't deleted though! It would have been good for us to keep a record of his stupidity for posterity . I feel it's appropriate... RAJ KAREGA KHALSA!

Many people are under the misconception that speed amounts to nothing while doing Paath slowly is better. It all depends on the person. Many people do many Paaths a day, for them speed is better for concentration and focus while for some the opposite is true and they like doing Paath slowly. Baba Nand Singh Jee use to do Sukhmani Sahib within minutes because his mind was better tuned for speed. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale did a hundred Japji Sahib Paaths, Panj Granthi and other paaths besides his Nitnem every day because his mind was also better adapted to doing paath fast. Doing a large amount of Paath with speed everyday is a good way to increase focus on the Paath and also you get to do a larger armount of Paath. But do what ever suits you, if doing slowly you focus more, then do that. Besides, this discussion is not about fast or slow paath. My only point to post here was that people here saying that you can and should eat before your morning Nitnem is over while traditionally one should first do their morning Ishnaan and Nitnem before eating unless you are elderly or sick and cannot wait for these reasons.

I completely disagree with everything you've stated above. You're implication is that sexual orientation is a choice. What individual would make the choice to be queer knowing the extreme difficulty and discrimination they would surely encounter from their own families, friends and society? If you do believe it’s a choice at what point in your life did you make the conscious decision to be straight? Or did you just end up the way you are without really making a decision, were you simply born that way? Could it not be the same for homosexuals? With regards to you reference to changing sexual orientation with psychological therapy, more specifically "conversion/reparative therapy", it doesn't work. The oldest and largest Christian ministry dealing with faith and homosexual conversion (Exodus International) recently (2013) disbanded and it's cheif Alan Chambers issued an apology to members of the LGBTQ community for the psychological damage and hurt they caused. It is not a mental disorder like schizophrenia, the APA (American Psychological Association) has done studies on this exact issue and participants continue to report same-sex attraction and no greater attraction to the opposite sex. Everyone has their own opinion but I don't think Western society is in any more/less of a mess than eastern society, I'm not sure what evidence you have to support that claim. If you're implying this mess is somehow connected to homosexuality I would argue (although I don't have any data) that there is a similar distribution of individuals with "abnormal human sexuality" in the eastern hemisphere. Why would people flock to Islam because they are adamantly against homosexuality? They could go towards any religion (including Sikhism) as pretty much every religious denomination denounces homosexual behaviour. I'm not quite sure how and from where you got that piece of information. Every individual in this community and on this planet is free to express themselves and have their own beliefs and frankly I don't care if you are for or against it, what I do care about is making comments which are intelligent and well-thought out (whether for or against). What I do care about is treating every human on this planet with respect regardless of their sexual orientation and from your comment it does seem as though you consider homosexuals as inferior and perhaps sub-human and not worthy of the same rights as you and I.

Ok easy, if your massi has kids tell her your gonna do all the things i said before and take one of her kids along with you (make them join in) that should fix her, lol

This is a tough situation. It seems like he has already made up his mind to embrace Islam. Have you tried talking to him? Is he open to a dialogue? I would say ask him to learn more about Sikhi which his parents failed him to teach. I don't think it is his fault. His parents did not make any effort to teach him sikhi values.. Few months ago, I came across this you-tube channel :http://www.youtube.com/user/basicsofsikhi I thought I knew so much about Sikhi but after watching these videos I think there is so much more to discover about Sikhi... Maybe, after watching some videos he can change his mind Also, he is in serious need of sangat. Check if there are any smagams or keertan nearby.. Invite him to these programs or introduce him to other Sikh ( Amritdhari) friends.. Hope this works.. Keep us updated

What you are talking about is from the following on wikipedia: "According to Bhai Man Singh's Pothi Janam Sakhi (late 18th century), Guru Nanak Dev visited Ayodhya and said to his Muslim disciple Mardana: 'Mardania! eh Ajudhia nagari Sri Ramachandraji Ji ki hai. So, chal, iska darsan kari'e. Translation: 'Mardana! this Ayodhya city belongs to Sri Ramachandra Ji. So let us go for his darshan (visit the god)." The above is taken from this following passage: "When we reach back in time, what we find particularly interesting are the accounts attributed to Guru Nanak. He was a contemporary of Babar, and an eyewitness to his vandalism. Nanak condemned him in the strongest terms. Harsh Narain writes (pp 14-15): Guru Nanak, according to Bhai Man Singh's Pothi Janam Sakhi, said to have been composed in 1787 Anno Vikrami/1730 A.D., visited Ayodhya and said to his Muslim disciple Mardana: 'Mardania! eh Ajudhia nagari Sri Ramachandraji Ji ki hai. So, chal, iska darsan kari'e. Translation: 'Mardana! this Ayodhya city belongs to Sri Ramachandra Ji. So let us have its darsana.' This indicates that Nanak visited Ayodhya shortly before the destruction of the Rama temple by Babar. Man Singh's book was written two hundred years later, which means that he was drawing upon existing traditions or some other source relating to Nanak's visit to Ayodhya. But another work by Baba Sukhbasi Ram gives a similar account, again suggesting that Nanak visited Ayodyha before the temple was destroyed by his contemporary, the invader Babar whose atrocities he condemned. 'These kings are nothing but butchers' said Nanak, refering to the Moghuls and others in his time." Here is some more information: AYODHYA (26° 45`N, 82° 10`E), on the right bank of the River Saryu, also known as Ghaghara, is sacred to the Hindus as the birthplace of Lord Rama. This ancient town has Sikh shrines in memory of the First, the Ninth and the Tenth Gurus. All three are located within 50 metres of each other near Brahma`s Tap Sthan (Brahma Kund) on Saryu bank, and are collectively called Gurdwara Brahmakund. The memorial commemorating Guru Nanak`s visit at the beginning of the sixteenth century consists of only a Sikh flag on a platform constructed in 1972. Guru Tegh Bahadur visited Ayodhya in 1670 while on his way back to the Punjab from the eastern parts. It is said that after offering obeisance at the then existing shrine of Guru Nanak he sat near by in meditation continuously for 48 hours. Before he left, the Brahman priest serving the shrine made a request for a keepsake, and the Guru left his wooden sandals with him. The pair is still kept in Gurdwara Guru Gobind Singh Ji. A platform was raised on the site in memory of Guru Tegh Bahadur`s visit. A room was constructed over it by the Sikh troops of Faizabad cantonment in 1975.The Guru Granth Sahib is ushered in only on the occasion of the chain of 51 Akhand Paths held here commencing from Assu sudf 1 and concluding on Maghar sudf 5 to honour the martyrdom anniversary of Guru Tegh Bahadur. Guru Gobind Singh passed through Ayodhya when, as a child, he was travelling from Patna to Anandpur. A platform was raised to commemorate the visit. This, like the other two shrines, was looked after by Brahman priests till about the middle of the nineteenth century when Baba Gulab Singh, a Kashmiri Sikh, came and occupied the site. The present building was constructed in 1899. It commands a panoramic view of a landscape sprawling beyond the lazily flowing Saryu River. The central domed room, octagonal in shape and with a marble floor, is called Singhasan Sthan (Throne Room) Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The Guru Granth Sahib is seated in a rectangular room in front of it. The relics preserved in the Singhasan Sthan include, in addition to the pair of sandals left by Guru Tegh Bahadur, an allsteel arrow, a katar (dagger), and a chakra (quoit). There are also two handwritten volumesa copy of the Guru Granth Sahib transcribed in 1838 Bk/AD 1781 and a copy of the Dasam Granth. References : 1. Thakar Singh, Giani, Sri Gurduare Darshan. Amritsar, 1923 2. Tara Singh, Sri Gur Tirath Sangrahi. Amritsar, n.d Here is some more information: Gurudwara Guru Gobind Singh Ji - Ayodhya on the right bank of the River Saryu, also known as Ghaghra, is a noted pilgrimage centre for the Hindus because it has the honour of being the native place and capital of Lord Rama. It is a railway station on the Lucknow-Faizabad-Mughal Serai section of the Northern Railway and is also connected by road to the district town Faizabad, only six kilometres away. Guru Nanak Dev, Guru Tegh Bahadur and Guru Gobind Singh (as a child) visited Ayodhya at different times. There are three Sikh Shrines here, all in a cluster, near Brahm Kund on the bank of Saryu. The one dedicated to Guru Nanak Dev is only a Nishan Sahib fixed on a platform constructed in 1972. Memorial to Guru Tegh Bahadur's visit, too, was only at platform until 1975, when Sikh troops of Faizabad Cantonment built a room over it. Guru Granth Sahib is seated here only during a series of akhand paths concluding on the martyrdom anniversary of Guru Tegh Bahadur. The Shrine dedicated to Guru Gobind Singh was also only a Thara Sahib to begin with, and all the three Shrines were looked after by Brahman priests until the arrival here of a Kashmiri Sikh, Gulab Singh about the middle of the nineteenth century. He occupied the Shrines and later constructed Gurdwara Guru Gobind Singh Ji in 1899 on the site of the platform dedicated to child Gobind Das. An octagonal domed room is named Singhasan Sthan (lit. throne) Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It encloses the former platform on which are placed the sacred relics - i.e. a pair of sandals believed to be once worn by Guru Tegh Bahadur, a steel arrow, a dagger and a chakar (steel quoit with sharp outer edge). There is also a hand-written copy of the Holy Scripture dated 1838 Bikrami (A.D. 1781) . There are few Sikhs in Ayodhya, but Sikh soldiers from Faizabad visit usually on Sundays and other gurpurbs. Also more information: The Ranopali Nanakshahi Temple—one of the oldest temples of the Udaseen sect. The Ranopali Nanakshahi Temple, located on the outskirts of Ayodhya, is the main ashram of the Udaseen sect. According to tradition, this sect was founded in the seventeenth century by Shri Chand, the eldest of the two sons of Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism. Also more information: Gurudwara Brahmakund Sahib/Brahm KundOn Chaudah Koshi Parikrama Marg, near Brahma Kund, in the west side of Ayodhya, district Faizabad, U.P., India Brahma Kund area has been described as the meditation place of Lord Brahma in Brahma Puran & other Puranas as well. Earlier this place was known as Tirtharaj but after the penance of Brahma this place came to be known as Brahma Kund. Guru Nanakdev Ji visited this place in 1557 Vikrami. He also sermonized local pandits here and since then the construction of Gurudwara was initiated here. Ninth Sikh Guru, Guru Teg Bahadur also came here in 1725 Vikrami and left his footwear here, which can be seen in the present building of Gurudwara even today. Tenth Guru of Sikhs Guru Govind Singh paid obeisance here while proceeding to Anandpur Sahib from Patna Sahib. His three weapons- arrow, dagger, chakra & Sunahali Beed- manuscript of Adi Beed Sahib written in 1838, are also kept in this Gurudwara.

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਓਸ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ ਮੂੜ ਅਜਾਣੀ ॥ One who tries to compete with Him is a senseless fool __________________ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੁ ਉਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਸ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਹਲਤਿ ਪਲਤਿ ਮੁਹੁ ਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ Anyone who tries to compete with them is a fool; his face shall be blackened here and hereafter. ||2|| __________________ ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੩ Soohee, Fifth Mehl, Third House: ਸੇਵਾ ਥੋਰੀ ਮਾਗਨੁ ਬਹੁਤਾ ॥ His service is insignificant, but his demands are very great. ਮਹਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ਕਹਤੋ ਪਹੁਤਾ ॥੧॥ He does not obtain the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, but he says that he has arrived there||1|| ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਿਅ ਮਾਨੇ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਸਾ ॥ He competes with those who have been accepted by the Beloved Lord. ਕੂੜੇ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੀ ਹਾਠੀਸਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ This is how stubborn the false fool is! ||1||Pause|| ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਾਵੈ ਸਚੁ ਨ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥ He wears religious robes, but he does not practice Truth. ਕਹਤੋ ਮਹਲੀ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥੨॥ He says that he has found the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, but he cannot even get near it. ||2|| ਅਤੀਤੁ ਸਦਾਏ ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾ ਮਾਤਾ ॥ He says that he is unattached, but he is intoxicated with Maya. ਮਨਿ ਨਹੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਕਹੈ ਮੁਖਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥੩॥ There is no love in his mind, and yet he says that he is imbued with the Lord. ||3|| ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਬਿਨਉ ਸੁਨੀਜੈ ॥ Says Nanak, hear my prayer, God: ਕੁਚਲੁ ਕਠੋਰੁ ਕਾਮੀ ਮੁਕਤੁ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੪॥ I am silly, stubborn and filled with sexual desire - please, liberate me! ||4|| ਦਰਸਨ ਦੇਖੇ ਕੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥ I gaze upon the glorious greatness of the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸੁਖਦਾਤੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਸੁਭਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੧॥੭॥ You are the Giver of Peace, the Loving Primal Being. ||1||Second Pause||1||7|| ______________________ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸਰੀਕੀ ਕਰੈ ਅਨਹੋਦਾ ਨਾਉ ਧਰਾਇਆ ॥ The created being tried to compete with his Creator, but he assumed this name in vain. ______________________ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ First Mehl: ਗਲੀ ਅਸੀ ਚੰਗੀਆ ਆਚਾਰੀ ਬੁਰੀਆਹ ॥ We are good at talking, but our actions are bad. ਮਨਹੁ ਕੁਸੁਧਾ ਕਾਲੀਆ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਚਿਟਵੀਆਹ ॥ Mentally, we are impure and black, but outwardly, we appear white. ਰੀਸਾ ਕਰਿਹ ਤਿਨਾੜੀਆ ਜੋ ਸੇਵਹਿ ਦਰੁ ਖੜੀਆਹ ॥ We imitate those who stand and serve at the Lord's Door. ਨਾਲਿ ਖਸਮੈ ਰਤੀਆ ਮਾਣਹਿ ਸੁਖਿ ਰਲੀਆਹ ॥ They are attuned to the Love of their Husband Lord, and they experience the pleasure of His Love. ਹੋਦੈ ਤਾਣਿ ਨਿਤਾਣੀਆ ਰਹਹਿ ਨਿਮਾਨਣੀਆਹ ॥ They remain powerless, even while they have power; they remain humble and meek. ਨਾਨਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਕਾਰਥਾ ਜੇ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਹ ॥੨॥ O Nanak, our lives become profitable if we associate with them. ||2||

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ਘਰੁ ੬ Soohee, Fourth Mehl, Sixth House: ਨੀਚ ਜਾਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਤਿਆ ਉਤਮ ਪਦਵੀ ਪਾਇ ॥ When someone of low social class chants the Lord's Name, he obtains the state of highest dignity. ਪੂਛਹੁ ਬਿਦਰ ਦਾਸੀ ਸੁਤੈ ਕਿਸਨੁ ਉਤਰਿਆ ਘਰਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ Go and ask Bidar, the son of a maid; Krishna himself stayed in his house. ||1|| ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਅਕਥ ਕਥਾ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਜਨ ਭਾਈ ਜਿਤੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਦੂਖ ਭੂਖ ਸਭ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Listen, O humble Siblings of Destiny, to the Unspoken Speech of the Lord; it removes all anxiety, pain and hunger. ||1||Pause|| ਰਵਿਦਾਸੁ ਚਮਾਰੁ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਨਿਮਖ ਇਕ ਗਾਇ ॥ Ravi Daas, the leather-worker, praised the Lord, and sang the Kirtan of His Praises each and every instant. ਪਤਿਤ ਜਾਤਿ ਉਤਮੁ ਭਇਆ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨ ਪਏ ਪਗਿ ਆਇ ॥੨॥ Although he was of low social status, he was exalted and elevated, and people of all four castes came and bowed at his feet. ||2|| ਨਾਮਦੇਅ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗੀ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਲੋਕੁ ਛੀਪਾ ਕਹੈ ਬੁਲਾਇ ॥ Naam Dayv loved the Lord; the people called him a fabric dyer. ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਪਿਠਿ ਦੇ ਛੋਡੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਲੀਆ ਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਇ ॥੩॥ The Lord turned His back on the high-class Kashatriyas and Brahmins, and showed His face to Naam Dayv. ||3|| ਜਿਤਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵਕਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਕਢਾਇ ॥ All of the devotees and servants of the Lord have the tilak, the ceremonial mark, applied to their foreheads at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage. ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਪਰਸੇ ਜੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥੮॥ Servant Nanak shall touch their feet night and day, if the Lord, the King, grants His Grace. ||4||1||8||

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Mastuana Sahib:- "Kise da bol kabol saharna, tapaa sir tap hai"

Of course we all know that in both the morning and evening, it is best to eat after doing nitnem. There is no question about this. Some people just naturally don’t feel that hungry around amritvela time, whereas some people do and we all know that it’s hard to concentrate on anything on an empty stomach, especially path. It’s even harder to do path on a full stomach, which is why we are encouraged to eat less. You have just two options. You can continue doing path without eating anything in the morning, and just push yourself and hopefully as the days go by you will build up your routine and you will find it easier to finish your morning nitnem on an empty stomach. This will require you to push yourself both mentally and physically, and you will find it very hard initially, but it is not impossible. Or your second option is to have something light to eat and drink before beginning your morning path, like tea, coffee, juice, cereal, toast, yoghurt, fruit or a cereal bar. Just a little something that is enough to satisfy your hunger but nothing that is too heavy that will make it hard for you to do path. And then as your morning amritvela nitnem routine becomes more solid, you can begin eating less and less before you start path until you are able to do it on an empty stomach. Sikhi is all about discipline- spiritual, physical and mental. When you first start following this path, and along the way, you will always encounter obstacles that try to throw you off the path or set you back a few steps. Our mind can be both our best friend on the path of Sikhi and also our own worst enemy. Guru Nanak Dev Ji says in Jap Ji Sahib ‘conquer your own mind, and conquer the world’. ਆਈ ਪੰਥੀ ਸਗਲ ਜਮਾਤੀ ਮਨਿ ਜੀਤੈ ਜਗੁ ਜੀਤੁ ॥ Aaee Panthhee Sagal Jamaathee Man Jeethai Jag Jeeth || See the brotherhood of all mankind as the highest order of Yogis; conquer your own mind, and conquer the world. That doesn’t mean that overnight we will be able to conquer our minds, but it’s all about building self-discipline and slowly learning to control our mind’s desires. When you initially start doing nitnem, you will feel hungry, you will feel tired, you will start yawning, your legs will get restless, your back will hurt, your mind will wander and so on. The mind is a fickle thing. The powers of maya and kaljug are so great that many forces will try to put us off doing path. But slowly we can learn to ignore these things and attune our minds to the one and only shabad and learn to focus during path. Then you may realise that you no longer feel hungry or tired or restless. Also, to have a solid amritvela nitnem routine is a huge blessing and if you want it enough then Guru Ji will surely at some point grant you it by his grace. Some people have to set a million alarms to ensure that they are up by 3am, and then they still may just hit the snooze button and go back to sleep. With Guru Ji’s kirpa, some people don’t even have to set a single alarm to wake up on time, as Guru Ji himself wakes up that person as he knows they have an internal yearning for amritvela. Do ardas before you start your nitnem (and also after) and ask Guru Ji to bless you with the kirpa to focus on your path with pyar and sharda. If a Sikh is hungry for a Gursikhi jeevan, amrit, nitnem and amritvela di daat, and does ardas from the bottom of his/her heart, then surely one day Guru Ji’s blessings will rain down on that person. Have a light, early dinner and sleep early enough so that you will feel well rested by the time you want to wake up at amritvela, then when awake get out of bed straight away, have a shower (start off with warm showers and then gradually switch to cold showers if you can’t handle them straight away- a cold shower will wake you up and help you focus) and then find a nice, quiet spot to sit down and begin with simran and jaap of mool mantar before moving on to nitnem. I wish you the best of luck.

There is nothing stopping these Hindus in tackling the Islamic terror themselves, the Hindu population around the world is in excess of 1 billion? Us Sikhs only owe it to ourselves now to get back to the orginal message of the Sikh Gurus & Bhagats, to expunge the curse of casteism, materialism, girl foeticide, etc. etc. from our community and recreate the glory of the Khalsa where the rest of mankind should learn from our example. Long Live The Khalsa!

hnji harjit singh veerji me aap ji de naal puri tara sehmat haa par ji gl eh hai k sanu eh gla te eh sb thoughts that tackle castiesm, nu promote krna chahida oh v vde level te te full fledgedly pr sadi sunda koi ni j koi sade jathedar es khilaf morcha la len ta kuch asr hoye me apne level te ta vdh toh vdh 10 ya 15 janeya nu smja skda j asi sare v ese tra 10 10 jneya nu smjayiye tavi frk pe jayega ji me ta ji eho jahe bndeya nu v jaanda jo pahaul chhak k v apne aap nu jatt ya khatri kahaunde te dujya da mjak udaunde j smjan di koshish kro fr jida tuc dsya na k oh sb singh flani flani biradri de san ta oh v ehi nukta dende ne k caste ta hundi c so tuhanu v benti karuga k tuc v eh gl nu chahe positive hi krde ho pr u shud refrain it frm using to prove our point coz v shudnt associate those singhs wd any caste or creed wjkk wjkf

LOL I know for sure that it'll work with my dad... but my massi's whole goal looks like bringing me down in life

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Also I think it is very important to remain clean and not unpleasant with your odours... during ramadan I find muslims fall asleep after eating before sunrise or something must happen because they always have really bad morning breath during the month! Also Muslims themselves tell me they put on weight during the month because they fast all day and when they break fast.. all hell breaks loose and they eat anything and everything! Fried food etc... So all this talk about feeling the suffering of the poor etc is nonsensical for the majority of Muslims who state this... I know plenty of people who don't eat anything all day and have a normal standard meal in the evening. However, no liquids is hard!!! On a positive... I find muslims are extra nice to people during Ramadan... I was told this was because if they hurt anyones feelings during this month that sin stays with them etc... So during the month its actually nice to be around muslims (excluding the bad breath and moaning about fasting). Funny thing is it all lasts only a month! As soon as Eid hits you see drunken brawls in town and back to the same old holier then thou attitude with cars rolling up and down the street honking at anything in a skirt! So dasguruka.. I would advise if you want to fast or practice the "Dukh daru Sukh Rog bhaya" concept do so beyond ramadan, practice it beyond a month!... do so without fasting as for most Muslims its an excuse to get fatter and gorge on food in the evening and then have a massive hedonistic party at the end to celebrate Eid...

Muslims only have to give one fourth of what Sikhs give as daswand = 2.5% of yearly profits for a business. Sikhs have to give their daswand to those who need it most regardless of what their faith or background is. Muslims can only give charity to other Muslims according to the rules that Prophet Muhammad set.

ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨਹੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ Pilgrimages, fasts, purification and self-discipline are of no use, nor are rituals, religious ceremonies or empty worship. ਨਾਨਕ ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ O Nanak, emancipation comes only by loving devotional worship; through duality, people are engrossed in duality. ||2||

thnks ekgurjaskhalsa ji and from above posts we can say that majority of us are firmly against it firstly about educating our younger generations yes we can do that what u said but it ll take a lot of time for it to eradicate it i think maybe institutions like sri akal takht sahib ji that have power in sikhism can and should also take some steps but like other issues they have convieniently shut off their mouths on this matter also(GOD KNOWS WHY...) it ll surely help in tackling it fastly..(my opinion) secondly , inter (so called) caste marraiges can also be very much helpful but here's the problem.. our elders oppose it and see it with great hatred as if like a sin moreover some people in pinds are not educated enough to understand the diff. between inter religion and intercaste marraiges moreover some cases even get voilent if question of such marraiges come up.. this sadly include murder of their own children in so called hounour of fake castes thing.. this problem is more prominent in village areas but even in cities it is existing.. many people with higher education degrees and posts also behave like illiterate when they speak about these bhraminical things that are a shame to sikhism the so called modern society becomes prehistoric when they speak about these things some people even say that they are jatts or ramgharias or of so so caste first and then sikh.. some idiotic people say that religion is man made but castes comes from DNA ..lol i have myself seen people making fun of others coz they belong to some other caste.. even the todays punjabi media films and lachhar geets in a way promote these stupid things and they highly influence the youth to adopt thses idiotic practices thus promoting this illness of castiesm in younger generations also.. all this indeed is very much sad...

Or equally I wouldn't put it past a certain other faith who wants to see Sikhs and Hindus at each other's throats? Just a thought. Some might say a paranoid thought, but I wouldn't be afraid of being labelled as paranoid if it meant staying ahead of the curve. Better to be paranoid and alert than asleep and unaware.

Whoever these criminals are, I hope they're found as soon as possible by law enforcement.

28 years and still going the Sikhs are trying to get justice of the 1984 genocide in Dehli peacefully. If this does not show the spiritual calm side of the Sikhs then nothing will to the fanatical critics in this world. Jackals are present in many different garbs. Extremist are never happy with anything.

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib:- "Hirde di shudhi, waheguru de milaap da asli saadhan hai"

the fact that a baseball bat found close to the broken windows just conveniently happened to have sikh markings on it makes this sound incredibly fishy

Panth needs to work to find whoever these criminals are and bring them to justice regardless if they're Sikh or not. I'm pretty sure they aren't Sikhs though. Probably some Hindus/indian govnt sympathizers who did it. There's only a small broken window and what are the markings? Smells like bs.

Sikhs didn't do this. The enemies of Sikhs did this to give the Panth a bad name. Sikhs protect Mandirs and Masjids instead. Sikhs never mark baseball bats with Gurbani because that would be Beadbi.

Sant Baba Balwant Singh ji Urmur Tandewale:- jeonde mar jaida, sewa kamauni aukhi.......... tavian te asan launa painda, tatta ret pavauna penda, oh naio ghabraida, sewa kamauni aukhi jeonde mar jaida, sewa kamauni aukhi aare naal sir chirvauna painda, band band katvauna painda, taain charkharhi charh jaida, sewa kamauni aukhi jeonde mar jaida, sewa kamauni aukhi neenha vich laal chanaune painde, tind de sraane laune painde, oh fir vi shuker manaida, sewa kamauni aukhi jeonde mar jaida, sewa kamauni aukhi

Excerpt of teachings to Sant Isher Singh ji Rarha sahibwale by Sant Attar Singh ji Reru sahib:(adhikari layi bachan) Naam japan wale nu kai gallan da dhyaan rakhna jaroori hai. oh kise bhekh te koi tarak ya nafrat na kare. Chahe oh hindu hai, muslim, chahe sikh ya isaayee. Rasta bhawein vakh-vakh hai par rab sabhna da iko-ik hai, kyonki: "Mazhab na koi rab da, banda kare ijaad, Oh nazdeek khudaaye de, jo rakhan usnu yaad" fer kai sadhu daane, deewane te mastane hunde han. Koi tamoguni, kise vich sato gun adik hunda hai. Jiwein satguran furmaya hai: "birkhe heth sabh jant ikathe, ik tate, ik bolan mithe" - ang 1019 par advaitwadi sabh naal milaap rakhe, tusin is sansar vich bhaant-bhaant de log, sabh ral mil ke chaliye. Mat apne vich neshti howe, milaap har-ik naal rakhe, ki pata parmesher nu kisdi kireya bhaundi hai: "ik bhaye dekho sabh naari, kya jaano seh kaun pyari" - ang 327 Baadshah diyan beant raania hundia han, par raaj da maalak useda puttar banda hai, baadshah di jis upar pooran prasanata(khushi) howe. Ise taran, parmeshaer vi anderle pyar nu dekhda hai, bhekh te nahin reejhda. So har ik naal prem karna saadhu da mukh dharam hai: "tulsi is sansar mein sabhko miliye dhaaye, na jaano kis bhekh mein, narayan mile aaye"

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib:- "par-upkar de smaan koi punn nahin"

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib:- When Sant Baba Aaya Singh ji Hoti Mardanwale left the panj bhootak chola, sangat (fauji) was directed to Sant Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib by akaal purkh ji's hukum. Sangat had never done darshan of Sant ji. So when they reached reru sahib, they were told that Sant ji "khetan vich hal vaa rahe ne". Sangat on their way to fields started doing shanka/doubts on Sant ji by saying that Sant mahapurkh should not do this, they should just sit and give darshan to sangat, etc. Sant ji, antarjami, knew what was in their minds, so sant ji went to them and said Sant ji is in the kutiya and sangat was directed towards a cottage nearby. When they reached there they saw the same Baba ji, with illahi noor, chita rang, chita darha and said babaji you r the same who met us on way. After confirming they asked how did you get here before us, even took bath and changed clothes. Sant ji first tried to avoid this as thes are gupt khedan. But on insisting did following bachans after explaining the importance of sewa:- "Tusin rabbi hukum anusaar, itni dooron chalke vi aaye, jekar tuahdi eh tush jehi mang vi poori na hundi, fer shardha nahin si rehni. Shardha ton bina sikh nu sadhu darshana da pooran labh nahin milda. par bai, sadhu da ant laina vi theek nahin, shardha rakh ke jitna ho sake sadhu di sewa kariye, ona di parikheya nahin karni chahidi, bhala je ansi hun tuhadi parkh kariye, ta koi kaswati te poora uter sakega?" Sangat apologized. Baba ji again said: Gursikho, shardha waleaan de berhe paar hunde han. Bhagti roop brish laun layi, shudh hirda dharti hai, nimrata roopi jal te shardha hi beej hai. Eh hal wahun di sewa vi daate paason mang ke layi hai, pyare ne tuth ke eh daat bakhshi hai."

Sant Kilewale Mahapursh, Once Master Tara singh and Group of Sikhs came to Mahapursh and requested,"Sant ji,....Khalsa panth is in trouble" Before They could say further, Sant Maharaj ji told then," Khalsa Panth can never be in trouble bcz its roots are in Pataal and none can uproot it.....There is no trouble to Khalsa Panth.....But there is trouble to your Political Positions and Power"

Sant Baba Balwant Singh ji Tandewale:- "Kade na kaho meri sas marhi, meri nanaan marhi, hamehsa kaho ke mere karam maarhe ne" "Never say my mother-in-law or sister in law is bad, always say that my karams are bad"

Dhan Dhan Baba Nand Singh ji :- "Naam japna aukha vi hai te saukha vi"

The only explanation I ever found and satisfied me was that after consciousness (Whaeguru) keeps creating next version of itself in the most grander version of himself. I read Baba Nand Singh Ji was Sheik Brahm in one of his previous lives who had discussions with Guru Nanak Dev ji. Meaning "Janam maran do ho main nahi jan paropakari aaye". Mahapursh come knowingly that they can live in illusion but also live out of it at their will. But For most of us we keep living in this illusion thinking its real. Its like a rich man can live like rich or poor, but poor has no option.