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  1. We need to look at the bigger picture here, the idea that there are hundreds of not thousands of Sikhs willing to convert to Islam is what people like this want you to believe, the actual truth is probably the opposite, they are 2 bit operations who are trying to make a name for themselves by claiming they have converted people from other faiths. If you scroll through the comment's on that video there's a part where they guy who's meant to have converted comments it's pretty apparent that it's fake, he claims to be from the UK I've never heard someone from a Sikh background speak Punjabi Urdu the way he does. I'm not saying this kind of stuff doesn't happen but you can't get triggered every time some loony overly religious <banned word filter activated> posts something. At the moment we should be more concerned with what Christian missionaries are doing in Punjab where they are targeting poor families by offering them basic amenities in return for them converting over to Christianity.
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  2. Think his death anniversary is coming up according to the calendar. Here are some eyewitness accounts of his funeral, i read them years ago and the sati part left me thinking about it for several days! just horrifying! But as the historical accounts state the queens and slave girls actually decided to become sati! they were even discouraged but they insisted on becoming sati. The queens that became sati were Rajput women so its no surprise that they became sati as it was considered a very honorable thing in that community, In fact when the news reached one of the Rajput queens fathers kingdom that she became sati, her father was so proud of her heroic act that he ordered a celebration in honor of her bravery! her father even ordered a painting to be done depicting his daughter becoming sati! Maharani Jind Kaur famously said that she won't become sati. This sati incident is often used as a criticism and as hypocrisy because Sikhi is against this act, but the women that became sati were Rajput women! and it was part if their culture, Rajput women actually chose to become sati as it was considered very heroic in their culture . The 7 dancing girls that committed sati were Kashmiri. The Ranis that became sati were Mehtab Devi, daughter of Raja Sansad Chand of Kangr. Rani Har Devi, the daughter of Chaudhri Ram, a Saleria Rajput. Rani Raj Devi Rani Rajno Devi "Early in the morning subsequent to that on which the death of the maharajah happened, I went down the Tukht (coronation-square), accompanied by Col. Henry Steinbach (lately in the service of the maharajah, Gholab Sing, in Cashmere, now in Europe), and we directed our steps towards the large yard, which we had to cross, in order to get betimes to a convenient place close to the funeral pile. This was erected between the walls and the fortress, in a small garden, the conflux of the people having been so enormous in the fortress. In the large yard, we observed one of the four ranees (queens) coming out of the harem on foot and unveiled, for the first time in her life. She was slowly proceeding towards the place where the royal body was lying, and she was surrounded by about one hundred persons, who kept themselves at some distance, while accompanying her. Close to her side there was a man carrying a small box, containing the remainder of her jewels (as she had already distributed some ), which she made presents of, handing them one by one to the people on her right and left. Two or three steps in front of her, there was a man moving in a backward direction, his face turned towards her, and holding a looking-glass, that she might convince herself that her features were unaltered, and no fear visible on them. At the distribution of the jewels, Col. Steinbach made the observation that, had we stretched out our hands to receive a present, it certainly would not have been denied; but we thought proper to leave it to the poorer people, because we occupied lucrative posts. It is curious, indeed, that this was the very ranee whom Runjeet Sing married in the first year of my residence in that country, ten years having passed since I witnessed the nuptials at Nadoun. She was, as I mentioned before, a daughter of Sunsarchund, and she had a younger sister, whom the maharajah at the same time took also for a wife, and conveyed them both to Lahore; the latter, I am told, had died of consumption during my absence. As for the former, although I was present at her wedding, I nevertheless had never seen her before, and it was only on her last fatal walk, which she took to her funeral pile, that I could behold her. The funeral train, accompanied by many thousands of spectators, was now proceeding; all were on foot, their abode in the fortress not being far distant from the place of the ceremony. The four ranees only were carried, in open palanquins, behind the deceased, after them followed the seven female slaves, barefooted; some of them appeared to be not more than fourteen or fifteen years of age. The ranees, too, were barefooted, their silk dresses were simple, and without any ornaments, and they appeared to be indifferent to the awful though voluntary fate which awaited them. Perhaps our hearts throbbed more at the view of this dismal train than those of the poor victims themselves. The body of Runjeet Sing was placed on a board, to which it was probably fastened, and was carried on a light and decorated bier constructed in the shape of a ship; the sails and flags of the vessel were made of rich golden and silk stuff (kimkab), and of Cashmere shawls. A number of people carried the bier from the interior of the fortress up to the funeral-pile, there the board with the body was taken out of it and deposited on the ground, where, on what was a small garden, now stands a summood, i.e., a tomb of the royal family Runjeet Sing, Kurruck Sing and No-Nehal Sing, i.e., the father, son, and grand-child, together with their wives and slaves. The costly ornaments of the richly decorated bier were given to the mob; the Brahmins performed their prayers from the Shaater, a book written in the Indian or Sanscrit language; the Gooroos, or priests of the Sikhs, did the same, from their holy scripture called Grunthsaheb, and the Musselmen accompanied them with their “Ya, Allah! Ya, Allah!” A slow, but not displeasing rumbling of the drums, and the murmuring of the people, gave to the whole scene a melancholy aspect, and was peculiar to the country. The funeral pile which displayed itself before the eyes of the spectators, was constructed of dry woods, amongst which there were pieces of aloe; it was about six feet high and square. After the prayers of the Brahmins and Gooroos, which lasted nearly an hour, the minister and other sirdars ascended by a ladder the funeral-pile, upon which ignitible matters and substances, as cotton seeds, &c., were strewn, and the royal body was respectfully placed in the middle of the pile, together with the board. After this, the ranees ascended the fatal ladder, one by one, according to their rank, the slaves followed, and the minister showed himself very officious in affording them assistance. The ranees placed themselves at the head of the royal body, and the slaves close at its feet. There they cowered, remaining in silent expectation for the fatal moment, when a strong thick mat of reeds being brought, with which the whole were covered, oil was then poured over the mat, the minister and sirdars descended, and the pile was lighted at each corner. In a few moments, the deplorable victims of an abominable and fanatic ceremony had ceased to exist" ..................................................................................................................... “The funeral obsequies of this extraordinary man were too remarkable not to be mentioned here. Upon his death being made public, the whole of the Sikh Sirdars at Lahore assembled to do honour to his suttee, and four of his favourite queens, together with seven female slaves, having, in conformity with the horrible practice of the country, expressed their intention of burning themselves upon the funeral pyre, preparations were immediately made for the solemnity. It is said that much dissuasion is exercised in cases of suttee; ostensibly such may be the case; but in private every argument to the contrary is made use of by the relatives of the wretched victim, and the promise once given cannot be retracted. A street of a double line of infantry having been formed, the procession proceeded at a slow pace to its destination, only a quarter of a mile distant, and within the precincts of the palace. The corpse of the late Maharaja, placed upon a splendidly gilt car, constructed in the form of a ship, with sails of gilt cloth to waft him (according to native superstition) into paradise, was borne upon the shoulders of soldiers, preceded by a body of native musicians, playing their wild and melancholy airs. His four queens, dressed in their most sumptuous apparel, then followed, each in a separate gilt chair, borne upon the shoulders of their attendants; the female slaves following on foot. Before each of the queens was carried a large mirror, and gilt parasol, the emblems of their rank. After them came the successor to the throne, the Maharaja Kurruck Singh, attended by the whole of the Sikh Sirdara, barefooted, and clothed in white; none but persons of noble rank permitted to join the procession. To the last moment of this terrible sacrifice, the queens exhibited the most perfect equanimity; far from evincing any dread of the terrible death which awaited them, they appeared in a high state of excitement, and ascended the funeral pile with alacrity. The slaves also appeared perfectly resigned, but less enthusiastic. The body of the Maharaja having been placed upon the pile, his queens seated themselves around it, when the whole were covered over a canopy of the most costly Kashmiri shawls. The Maharaja Kurruck Singh then taking a lighted torch in hand pronounced a short prayer, set fire to the pile, and in an instant the whole mass, being composed of very ignitable material, was in flames. The noise from the drums and shouts of the spectators immediately drowned any exclamation from the wretched victims.” ..................................................................... The painting that Rani Mehtab Devi's father, Maharaja of Kangra proudly ordered an artist to do!
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  3. The problem is that the Sikh religious establishments, the SGPC, DSGMC, the Babas and Nihang Dals have no interest in parchar. The SGPC and DSGMC were set up not just to manage the Gurdwaras but also to spread the message of Sikhism. But today they are all involved in politics and the daswand which should be spent to spread Sikhism is either siphoned off by the Badals or misspent on langars for political rallies for them. Ordinarily in such instances, the people who have genuine pain at the mis-management of the Gurdwaras and the mis-spent Daswand would unite and re-take back the SGPC or at least form counter organisations in order to do the work which the SGPC is unwilling to do until they get a chance to re-take back the SGPC. Bhai Ranjit Singh, the former Jathedar of Akal Takht is actively attempting to unite Panthic minded Sikhs so that when the next SGPC elections happen that the gand of the Badals can be cleansed from the SGPC. Until then as individual we should use our intellect in order to discern what in the best interests of the Kaum. Personally if I go to Durbar Sahib I would only matha tek about 100 rupees which should cover the parshad and the langar. Anything more is a waste at this time as it would only go to increase the wealth of the Badals. It feels bad to write this but we have to see the truth and not be influenced by feelings that we might feel that we are somehow disrespecting the Guru by giving so little. We have to understand the system that we are under at the moment, once a decent SGPC committee committed to Sikhi comes into power then we can donate as much we can to them. At present the money that I would ordinarily have put in the golak I donate to organisations that are working to help Sikhs in need. If significant numbers of Sikhs follow these actions then it will not be long before the SGPC stops being a cash cow for the Badals. Just recently because of the lockdown in India, the SGPC has been making statements that it is running out of money even after a month of lockdown. This shows just how wasteful and corrupt the organisation is that it did not set aside money to cover emergencies. It shows that money was being corruptly taken as soon as it was put in the golak. As I wrote above ordinarily Sikhs should be forming counter organisations to the SGPC to take on the work that it refuses to do and the funds for this should come from us by redirecting our normal contributions to the golak to these organisations. The tragedy is that some organisations which have very little intention to do any work for Sikhs are now trying to seize this trend that many Sikhs are displaying and trying to get these contributions into their hands. Such an organisation is Khalsa Aid. Ravi Singh recently put out a video wanting Sikhs to donate to his charity in order that he can make it a $100 million organisation! He criticised Gurdwaras for hoarding money but the way I look at it, if the Gurdwaras hoard money at least that money is available if ever it is needed but in Ravi Singh view that money should be his and for him to visit exotic locations to spend the money on non-Sikhs.
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  4. They already are, years ago i was watching that program the big question i think its called on the BBC and if i remember correctly Jagraj Singh was on it and some old colonized Singh sitting with the goreh. I think they were discussing the British Empire and started talking about how the British abolished sati, if i remember correctly Jagraj Singh mentioned how the Sikh guru had already abolished sati and then one gora dragged M.Ranjit Singh into it and how his queens became sati. Bhai Jagraj Singh then said something like M.Ranjit Singh is not a model for Sikhs and that he was not a religious leader. A lot of these goreh historians that look into the British Raj are very well aware about this sati incident! Thing is, Akal Takht and the empire were 2 separate things, Ranjit Singhs darbar never had a say in Sikh religious affairs or matters, anything to do with Sikhi had to be approved by the Akal Takht, so it really wasn't a religious empire, but the Akal Takt did have a influence in his darbar. So it really wasn't a religious empire, you can say church and state were separate. This clash between Ranjit Singhs darbar and people loyal to Akal Thakt was very evident even back then. The Akali Nihangs were loyal to Akal Takht and disliked Ranjit Singh, but when it came to war they very always involved in defending Punjab and the Empire. There are historical accounts of the Akali Singhs openly hurling abuse at Ranjit Singh while riding on his elephant through Lahore/Amritsar! Akali Phoola Singh and Ranjit Singh clashed a lot, Akali Phoola Singh was very loud and clear about it, while Ranjit Singh was not. So he never really governed over any Sikh matters. The empire was basically an empire ruled over by Sikhs. But its amazing what he was able to create in such a short period of time at such a young age, taking into account he basically came from a family of peasants just like most the other Sikh Misl leaders. I wonder why the years of the Sikh misl period are never counted into Sikh Raj? by the 1770s or even earlier Punjab was mainly ruled by Sikh Misls
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  5. Only slightly. Football is king, can be played in all weather conditions, is a simple game and much more 'trendy' Cricket is even behind rugby in popularity in the upper-middle class typess
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  6. I consider these images more realustic these are all from google images if you search ‘Guru Gobind Singh’
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  7. Yes, and the pakistanis are usually of lower class economically, so more inclined to push their kids to cricket . Sikhs in England more likely in future to emerge from private school system as around 1/3-1/2 English cricketers privately educated
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  8. It's a myth that pro-Hindu anti-Sikh activists have latched onto as being a narrative promoted by Sikhs, as well as it being an event that's lamented by us, and these activists are certainly determined to bust this particular myth.
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  10. The Europeans could never have to come by land because the Silk Road was controlled by the Muslim Empires. The Europeans had indirect trade with India and China via this trade route. They wanted direct access to these markets and the muslims would not allow for them to take the land route. That is why Christopher Columbus wanted to travel to India by sailing west.
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  11. What monetary gain? It's a free video on YouTube, and the snakes analogy was for teaching his children.
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  12. I can't remember which book it was, I must have read literally over 500-600 since the 1980s. I will try and find out which book it was. There was also a similar case where a Jat woman from Sarhali in Amritsar district could not have a son and she make a vow at a Sakhi Sarwar shrine that if she had a son the family would become his followers. She had a son and by the time of Giani Ditt Singh the son's descendants had increased to 200 families and although with the general trend among Jats in the district to become Sikhs, these families also became Sikhs but still continued to follow Sakhi Sarwar as well. One of the members of one of these families read Giani Ditt Singh's book Sultan Puara about the hypocrisy of Sikhs following Sakhi Sarwar and he invited Gianiji to visit the village and preach there. All the families stopped following Sakhi Sarwar and became Amritdharis. There is a general trend now especially among a few Sikhs educated in the west pursuing PhDs in western universities that the Singh Sabha somehow subverted Sikhism and they try to present the popular and debased form of Sikhism that existed after the annexation of Punjab to the founding of the Singh Sabha as the pure form of Sikhism even though many of the practices were totally against the teachings of the Gurus. There is no doubt the Singh Sabha transformed Sikhism, but was this transformation more in line with the teachings of the Gurus or against the teachings of the Gurus.
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  13. When I was younger, I had no idea who Sant Ishtar Ji was. One day I saw a beautiful oil painting of Sant Ji. I couldn’t help but to keep staring at it. That night, I had a dream, where Sant Ji told me to tell my father to stop his alcohol business. I didn’t say anything to my father, because he was a very strong character, and we were all <banned word filter activated> scared of him. A few days later, my father announced that he was going to retire from the alcohol business. All this happened without my father knowing about the dream...
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  14. We couldnt. And even if we could get khalistan then it would either be a majority hindu or muslim country. Also we dint had the capability to remove hindus and muslims both out panjab. We were just 14% of panjabs population in 47. Master Tara Singh made the best decision at that time. We could either be with the mullas or the hindus. If master ji choose to be with the pak govt, im sure harmandir sahib would have been destroyed, looted, and converted to a mosque. Dont forget no one is our friend. Just after few months kartarpur corridor was opened, the mullas attacked nankana sahib with the mob. But surely im not an indian supporter too. In 47 we as a panth had to choose the lesser of an evil community to stay with until we rise in numbers. Sikh leaders predicted that sikh birth rate would increase and hence make panjab after 47 a sikh majority, but it dint happen. Hopefully all the indian sikhs have at least 3 kids especially in panjab. If we did it then eventually we could defend the christian missionaries, and influx of biharis with our numbers.
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  15. I'm not married yet No i don't have anger issues, in fact I'm the complete opposite! I'm really laid back and calm and really easy to get on with lol everyone says that! I would never treat my wife/GF how my father treated my mother. These experiences really do shape you, a lot more than you may think, but you get so used to it that you don't even realize how they effect you until you . My early 20s were madness, had anxiety, ended up drinking heavily, then ended up on medication, but its all fine now. A lot of the time the feelings are suppressed, but the alcohol brings them out. But i'm fine now, haven't drank for like 4 years. The dynamic and relationships in my house are very complex! i often wonder how i would explain it all to my wife! That's why i think Love marriage for me would be a lot better than arranged. I personally really dislike people who have anger!
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  16. The only mission He has for us, is to get back home as soon as possible with the guiding hand of Gurbani, for it is in our hands, then, we only know how to mess up and get tightened with more karmas, thus never ever free ourselves from this mayavee creation. That is what we have been doing since we left our True Home in Sach Khand. Seek help from Guru Jee and act accordingly, not as per the world, but follow implicitly as Guru Jee tells us in the Bani. Ikoankar Satnam, gurparsad Jap.
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  17. Why are you getting so excited, lol? They also sacrificed their entire immediate family, from parents to offspring. Shall we do the same, too?
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  18. my mums fine but my dad has anger issues it was a lot worse when i was younger and a lot of the time he used to let it out on me. beating, hitting, kicking, grabbing me and shaking me and i was only 6/7 yrs old lock me in the garden for hours i think he has some mental issues deep down and a lot of anger im sure its trauma from their childhood and then they do the same thing on their kids
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  19. its as if they let their anger out on their kids older punjabis are fcked up in the head they need to get a grip its just leaves so many scars in your head when they do this
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  20. There seems to be a lot of repressed anger. Barking and shouting at the kids and whatnot. Tameez seems to be a nonexistent concept for many.
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  22. Sikhee, the universal path for God realization. ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜੋਤਿ ਨ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਜਾਤੀ ਆਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Jaanahu Joth N Pooshhahu Jaathee Aagai Jaath N Hae Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. Guru Nanak Dev While Guru Jee breaks our mental barriers which keep us imprisoned in our manmat, by sharing the Truth in their teachings, the stupids, the bahmanvadee among us who dare to shamelessly call themselves sikhs, create confussion by spreading their ignorance, and create divisions through their foolish discriminations. Sat Sree Akal.
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