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Yeah a family member had it shipped from UK. Yes there is a Tegh Kaur in the works. But someone was saying that we should have Sikh figures as nurses, doctors, fire fighters...but I don't know if that's a good idea. We don't want Sikh ppl to identify only with worldly success and consider some jobs as better...it just deeply cements the panjabi sociopathic capitalism...but it is hard for kids to relate to these warrior types when all Sikhs they know aren't ones. Then again superheroes aren't relatable either...

He couldn't just ask her out like a normal person?

'modern day Sikhs' are not the Sikhs we were once upon a time... @proudkaur21 I think even those who are question after death must also hope there a place in hell waiting for them..

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Punjab needs intersectional feminism as much as a fish needs a bike. Feminism is the first step. Forty years later arrives LGBT melas. ?

And yet the Sikh Rehat Marayada as per the Akal Thakt is unequivocally against even asking what caste the spouse is and insists that a Sikh is to marry a Sikh regardless of the caste. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji clearly shows that caste is a non-Sikh entity and has no bearing on character etc. This, however, did not stop the numerically dominant Jats from separating so called lower castes at the village level, differentiating where each caste was to reside in any given village. Why so? Can any person on this forum answer this? Isn't it the case that many jats converted to Sikhi after caste abolition by the Sikh Gurus and rather than submit to the casteless protocol of Sikhi, the Jats separated themselves from everyone else (literally at village level) and ensured that the so called lower castes would always be reminded, that they will never be on equal terms. This manifested in separate Regiments (Sikh Regt v Sikh Light Infantry) to this very day. An utterly ridiculous concept that flies in the face of common sense, Sikhi and gurmat. Until this anti-sikh caste division at the village level is destroyed, the Jats will never allow the casteless Sikh inspired society to flourish, be it in the village, the Regiment, etc. Only then will Sikhs marry other Sikhs regardless of caste en masse.

They are 2 types one who fought for independence and the others who fought for British to keep India from getting independence killing their own like jallianwala bagh stuff. Just like we have the good ones who fight for Sikh causes worldwide and in India and those like Badals, Captians, KPS Gills and other Sikh foot soldiers for the Hindu Govt like the Uncle Tom Negro syndrome. History is full of old and current traitors. I was under the same delusion just if the look like a Sikh they should automatically be glorified because somehow they are doing Guru work. Snap out of it Actions speak louder that their looks.

The Sikhs fighting for Britishers no different the robot Punjab police and Sikh army today for the Hindu Governments. Mindless brutal paid to just do a job. Stop glorifying and fantasying about the WW1-2 and other Sikh slaves fighting for other people’s du$b causes.

WHY? Do you think I haven't figured out that our fudhoos like prancing about at any given opportunity by now? I don't get the vid? Was he trying to ask her out for a date in the maximally fudhoo way possible? Who were the other panchoday he roped in for his synchronised 'bruin' bundhoo dance?

@dallysingh101 @MisterrSingh @proudkaur21 must watch lool

We need to squarely face that given our current numbers, we'll have to deal with 'economies of scale' so we'll be unlikely to be able to sell at prices comparable to similar mass produced mainstream items that have a large consumer base. I think the above sells at around £20 for instance. I'd say we have enough exemplar career types right now, we need to connect kids to their heritage more than this in whichever way we can. Your point about relatability depends on where the kids are growing up and the character of Sikhs around them. I don't know about the current generation, but in the recent past there were strong, brave Sikhs who confronted things like race attacks etc., so it shouldn't be too much of a stretch. Plus I noticed that a lot of Sikhs seem overtly 'nerdy' in the US - outright braces, cheesy gormless grins and bifocals - parents should take and make efforts to sharpen them out of this at a young age if they can (that's if they recognise this even!) Was talking to someone who was thinking of trying to produce some kids books, and the point about having puerile, non-based sakhis came out, the conclusion was that such works need to incorporate a slight gritty dark edge to avoid the kids turning into unrealistic lulloos when older. Been thinking about that graphic novel I posted about previously, it's such a shame that the diaspora panth (who would be the main consumers) couldn't forkout the £9000 being asked for. That's like £3000 each from the UK, US and Canada - where we all know we have plenty of loaded apnay. If anyone reading is one of these loaded apnay - please support and fund these things and maybe have one less flash motor or slightly less designer clothes.

Yeah, typical of self-hating Sikhs to kvetch and squirm about our martial heritage at a time when we proudly stood on our own. Instead, let's glorify being nameless cogs in the Western apparatus that looks at us sideways while glorifying their preferred pet minorities. Nothing wrong with worldly jobs at all, but it's hardly something to get little kids inspired about their history.

Separated at birth......

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20171181.khurum-raziq-nasar-hussain-jailed-sexual-abuse-kirklees/ Khurum Raziq and Nasar Hussain jailed for sexual abuse in Kirklees 27th May By Natasha Meek@journomeek Two men who sexually abused a vulnerable young girl and "ripped away" her childhood have been jailed for a combined 40 years. Khurum Raziq, 40, from Heckmondwike, and Nasar Hussain, 44, from Dewsbury, were sentenced at Leeds Crown Court today (Friday). The men were found guilty of multiple rape offences against a female victim in the Heckmondwike and North Kirklees areas. Raziq was sentenced to 22 years after being found guilty of eight offences of rape. Hussain was sentenced to 18 years after being found guilty of three rape offences. DCI Ian Thornes of Kirklees CID said: “The victim in this case was a young girl with a completely normal life whose childhood was ripped away from the moment she was first introduced to Khurum Raziq. “That contact led her to be being lured into a world in which she was thoroughly abused and exploited by predatory males who treated her in the most appalling fashion." He added: “We welcome the strong sentences given to these men and want to commend the bravery of the victim in this case. “By supporting a prosecution and giving evidence she has forced these men to answer for what they did and played her part in making it clear that those involved in the sexual abuse of young females will be brought to justice and receive lengthy sentences. “We continue to urge victims to come forwards and can promise all reports will be thoroughly and sensitively investigated.”

The person dressed like a Sikh can come into Sikh institutions and become government agents, it was a known fact that Indian agents have been getting intel at Sikh Gurdwaras in the west.

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Sleaze. They have some ambition to kidnap/convert etc maybe? Sikh women are regarded higher in that sense than Hindu women I think . As a female, what is your view ?

Why do these Pak Youtube channels covering Sikh pilgrims make their titles so weird? They have to emphasise theres a "girl" even though men are with them too. They should write pilgrim to be respectful? Kartarpur Bazar | Indian Sikh Girl Praising Pakistan | Indian Sikh Females in Pakistan | Sikh Yatri Kartarpur Corridor | Indian Sikh Girl Praising Pakistan with friend at Gurdwara Kartarpur Pakistan

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There was a very respected Sikh general who will remain unnamed (around time of maharaja ranjit Singh). A person told him one evening, today 100 Sikhs were murdered. He replied “great the deadwood has been removed. We don’t need quantity we need quality.”

Does anyone know where I can buy the Maharaja Ranjit Singh piece?

I should've taken a picture, lol. It was such a brilliant figure.

Went to someone's a house a few months ago and they had an amazing, high-quality figurine on a plinth (not a toy) of Baba Deep Singh in blue baana, holding their khanda in a battle stance. The guy said he got it from Anandpur Sahib. The detail and the craftsmanship was out of this world. It was very similar to this:

Maybe she is atheist.

Yup immigration provided us an easy escape from the problems in punjab it seems.

Thetford, Norfolk Maharaja Duleep Singh's former home and associated statue and museum.

What worries me is the new wave of anti-British sentiments coming from.... British born Sikhs! The statue that was vandalised in Smethwick being a prime example. Some Sikhs believe that soldiers in the British Indian Army were somehow slaves. Totally misinformed.

Incorrect The Sikh Pioneers regiments recruited exclusively from the Mazbhi Sikh and Ramdasia Sikh communities.

Being in power, or having power in terms of politics or even weapons is hard.You have to know when its righteous to fight, and not join every battle. The sikh soldiers were used in the 1970s (i think) to stop the Sri Lankan indepedence movement too. It was really sickening to see Sikhs go to war for india to supress a people. BUT thankfully, the sikhs werent totally blind. They were mostly at a stand still and did not do much action They were getting orders from Delhi to shoot Prabhikar (i think) the indenpendence movement leader with a sniper shot. But the sikhs refused thankfully. And in the documentary, the delhi government official denied it!!! He said delhi never gave that command. Theres a lesson for us there. If anyone tells u to do an.immoral thing for benefit. Dont do it. As they will not stand with u, when reckoning comes. Also we blame the british for the isreali-palestinian conflict. But the kashmiri conflict is all on us. The sikhs took over kashmir under Nalua sardar i think. And when Gulab singh the dogra took all the treasure from lahore. He bargained with the british to be able to rule kashmir. But ironically, when india became independent, all rajas had to give up their kingdoms for democracy. And so majority muslim kashmir ended up under india. Sikhs also fought in the West vs East Pakistan war. That was needless. Also fought china-india war, but i think that was ok, protecting the motherland etc

Kidda West London Singh, It was the 14th Ferozpore Sikh Regiment that went to China in 1900 for the Boxer Rebellion, not the 15th Ludhiana Sikhs. The 34th Sikh Pioneers Regiment was also there, as were a few other Indian regiments.

They fought for British for their independence of PUNJAB, not for money.

Apnay's involvement in the Boxer Rebellion and how they helped oppress a community that had never did them any harm is seriously embarrassing (not to mention completely immoral). And I know the people who gloss over this, or are proud of it , are the usual peasants who have consistently jettisoned any morality and ethics if it stands in the way of making money. Shame on them. Where were our Muhhamad Ali's? To any tats: Don't cry about Hindus lording it over Sikhs in Panjab if you think it is okay for our people to go to other places and lord it over the indigenous population. It's this type of stupidity that brings bad karma in our communities way. Is the unethical nature of supporting a white imperialist agenda really that complicated for Panjabi villagers and their descendants to understand? Or are they just inhumane, morally bankrupt opportunists?

I'm sorry to read about your loss. I hope you have the appropriate support at this moment in time to enable you to continue on your journey, as we are all on our own journey. Condolences once again.

What a terrible loss of life by a deranged cult that is hellbent on taking Afghanistan from the 10th century where it currently presides to the 3rd century. This act of terrorism must be responded to with a force equal in magnitude, be it diplomatically or militarily. The latter won't happen for obvious reasons. Intervention from the UN to ensure Afghanistan maintains it's convention for freedom to practise religion is upheld or else sanctions. Those Afghan Sikhs that wish to remain and look after Sikh institutions should be supported in doing so. However, those Sikhs that wish to leave then Germany and the UK should take the lead. Germany took 1 million Syrian refugees in 2015 and Canada has taken several thousands too. In particular, both Hamburg and London have precedence in resettling Afghan Sikhs and now have sizeable populations of the aforementioned community, as have Rotterdam/Amsterdam. This may not be the right time to say this, but I feel it never is, so I'll say it anyway. Some of the London Afghan Sikh community have themselves failed their fellow Afghan Sikhs. Bearing in mind it was only post-1991 with the rise of the Taliban that Afghan Sikhs sought resettlement abroad.The Afghan Sikhs have amassed significant wealth in a short period of time, working cash in hand as taxi drivers or owning small businesses. The women in this community engage in ostentatious displays of gold jewellery and don't appear to be engaged in employment themselves. They have played the system with obtaining council houses as well. I live in West London and I can tell you that many of them frequent Isleworth Crown Court because of some sort of scam (i.e VAT or another tax evasion) or another involving the local authority or stealing mobile phones or a similar activity. So what I hear you ask? My question is, how much of their "hard earned" cash have the Afghan Sikhs sent back home to help their fellow brothers and sisters? I suspect not so much. They're more concerned with buying more gold, flashy mobile phones, expensive cars, dining in restaurants. No doubt I'll get the usual hate for saying that, but a quick look around West London will confirm my views, which concern the Afghan Sikhs residing in London, not the Sikhs residing in Afghanistan itself. Everyone should support the plight of the Afghan Sikhs in their struggle for freedom to practise their faith without fear or persecution - and the Afghan Sikhs residing in London should lead by example.

Kidda Jagsaw, Nice to see you back. How's the doctoral thesis coming along? Just a quick note. The Sikh Pioneer regiments recruited exclusively from the very communities (and others) that you mention. They fought all over the world and were the only Sikh regiment to be awarded "royal" battalion status for services rendered in WW1, in particular, the Western Front. The rest of your post is an eye opener, and once again, I learnt something I didn't know before.

Sikhi in Doaba is weaker than in the other two regions, so I am told.

Overtly, yes it may be Indian govt friendly. But I'd rather it was that way round. There are other gurdwarae, including Southall and elsewhere, that project a panthic or Sikh nationalistic agenda but are in bed with the Indian govt behind the scenes. At least I know where I stand with Hibernia Rd.

After hearing of the death of Maharani Jind Kaur, novelist Charles Dickens visited Kensal Green Cemetery to see the coffin of the lady whom the British Empire feared. Read his account of the visit from old publications... In July 1863, writer and author Charles Dickens visited Kensal Green cemetery. A couple of weeks later he heard that Maharani Jind Kaur died at Abingdon House and her service and temporary burial in the catacoomb of Kensal Green Dissenter's Chapel was arranged by her son Maharajah Duleep SIngh. On the 19th September 1863, Charles Dickens wrote the following two remarks in his weekly journal "All the Year Round": "I have read in the papers of the Indian Princess brought here the other day, and whose remains some of her Sikh servants wished to have burnt. The coffin was placed in the Dissenters' catacomb, and though a speech was delivered on the virtues of the deceased, the burial is described in the company's registery book by the words "no ceremony". It was a large funeral with many carriages." Later in the article Dickens writes: I asked to be taken to the Dissenters' catacomb, that I may see for myself the last resting place of the poor woman whose ashes have been squabbled over, and written on by Sikh and Christian. And down here, in a coffin covered with white velvet, and studded with brass and nails, rests the Indian dancing woman whose strong will and bitter emnity towards England caused Lord Dalhousie to say of her, when in exile, that she was the only person our government near feared. I place my hand on the coffin, and holding the candle obliquely, see a large gilt plate, whereon her name and titles are engraved." Courtesy of Friends of Kensal Green Cemetery http://duleepsingh.com/Articles/Article/23

Xmas in a brown fam....

Your vichaar makes me laugh bro. It's like a girl who has been pimped out, and used and abused, turning around and saying "Well at least my pimp never beat the sh1t out of me like that other b1tch over there, plus he said I was the prettiest one out of us all! I'm special!" Maybe the ones who had to be viciously beaten into submission, showed more heart than the gullible ones who just heard a few sweet words and gave it up? lol I do notice this persistent strain amongst juts to sort of twist Sikhi and Sikh history into the same shape they do with jut culture and essentially reduce it to another reason to blow their egos up. You should restrain yourself from that, that just leads to your downfall and makes us look dumb. It always strikes me as REALLY ironic that certain people twist the faith, which itself is based on moderating one's ego, into the very opposite - i.e. yet another reason for balle balle, shava shava egoist self-aggrandisement.

I should take this opp to put down a sakhi about sant ji, so it isn't lost to posterity - this is what I heard as a child, : Sant ji was given a duty to guard a bridge by the British when he worked for them, but at the appropriate time he would go and do his simran. One day someone grassed him up to the Brit officials and so they went at the appropriate time to do a surprise, spot check on sant ji. But sant ji was elsewhere doing his bhagti at the time..... When they looked they saw someone who looked identical to sant ji pacing up and down the bridge and dismissed the grass. When sant ji found out about this he realised what his true calling was. He believed Waheguru intervened for him. Apparently he threw his gun into a river and subsequently dedicated his life to the parchaar of Sikhi Dhan dhan Sant Ishar Singh ji!

From the Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3308671/Indians-sue-Queen-return-100m-jewel-crown-Bollywood-stars-businessmen-launch-legal-battle-105-carat-diamond-say-stolen-country.html It is the extraordinary £100 million diamond worn by the Queen Mother at the Coronation of her husband and then her daughter. But the Koh-i-Noor, which also dazzled in the crowns of Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary, could be stripped from Britain’s Crown Jewels and returned to India. Bollywood stars and businessmen have united to instruct lawyers to begin legal proceedings in London’s High Court. They are demanding that the Government return the 105-carat diamond, which they say was stolen from its true home. The move could result in some awkward moments at a lunch the Queen is hosting for Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at Buckingham Palace this week, although a Royal source said the row was strictly off the agenda. It also reopens a controversial case in British colonial history and adds to the legend of the Koh- i-Noor, which can be worn only ‘by God or a woman’. David de Souza, of the Indian leisure group Tito’s, who is helping to fund the fight, said: ‘The Koh- i-Noor is one of the many artefacts taken from India under dubious circumstance.’ He claimed colonisation had stolen wealth and ‘destroyed the country’s psyche’. And Bollywood star Bhumicka Singh added: ‘The Koh-i-Noor is not just a 105-carat stone, but part of our history and culture and should undoubtedly be returned.’ The Government has rejected demands for the return of the oval-shaped stone, which was presented to Queen Victoria in 1851. Last night historian Andrew Roberts told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Those involved in this ludicrous case should recognise that the British Crown Jewels is precisely the right place for the Koh-i-Noor diamond to reside, in grateful recognition for over three centuries of British involvement in India, which led to the modernisation, development, protection, agrarian advance, linguistic unification and ultimately the democratisation of the sub-continent.’ The case has drawn comparisons to that of the Elgin Marbles, the ancient sculptures held at the British Museum that Greece wants returned. However, Mr Roberts said: ‘Britain has an even better case to keep the Koh-i-Noor, acquired as the result of a legally binding treaty, than the Elgin Marbles, which is also watertight.’ The diamond was given to Queen Victoria by the last ruler of the Sikhs, Duleep Singh, after the British annexe of the Punjab. The handing over of such a revered gem is still considered a national humiliation in India. British lawyers instructed by the ‘Mountain of Light’ group (the translation of Koh-i-Noor) to repatriate it said last night they would base their case on the Holocaust (Return of Cultural Objects) Act, which gives national institutions in the UK the power to return stolen art. Satish Jakhu, of Birmingham-based law firm Rubric Lois King, said they would make their claim under the common law doctrine of ‘trespass to goods’, arguing that the Government had stolen the diamond. He added they would also be taking the case to the International Court of Justice. The latest row adds to seven centuries of blood-soaked history which has seen the gem handed down within dynasties and across countries. Pakistan, India, Iran and even the Taliban in Afghanistan have all laid claim to the stone which was first documented in 1304. Legend decrees that whoever wears it will become incredibly powerful but that any male owner will meet an unfortunate end. The then Queen Elizabeth had it crafted into the centrepiece of the crown she wore in 1937 for the Coronation of her husband King George VI. The diamond remains there to this day. The crown was also placed on the Queen Mother’s coffin during her lying-in-state in 2002.

It's murky but the reference library did have a custodian who published an itinerary/catalog of the library prior to Bluestar. Also I remember a good few years ago some pages that were thought to be of a looted manuscript surfaced on the market for sale (or was it a painting? I can't remember exactly). There was a furor about it at the time, but I think it got withdrawn and things quietened down. No doubt the people who have these things learnt their lesson and kept their head down. I didn't read all the post here, so forgive me if someone has already highlighted all this. Ultimately, I think we are just going to have to buy these things back when they pop up in the market, just like we do with Sikh artifacts looted by the British. Given the unstable nature of the world, in future we have to learn to properly digitise manuscripts and create hi-res images of artifacts and have them distributed over a wide area. People have already started this (like PDL).

A collection of regional and dalit parties have just ripped Modi a new arse*ole in the Bihar elections so this kind of jingoistic nonsense is used to deflect peoples' attention from the real issues. What the Sikh organisations should be doing is offering help to the defence in this case in order to stop the theft of the Koh-i-noor again this time by the extremist Indian government.

There is no caste there is only Sikh! No such thing as any silly caste system. We are just people that have a life thanks to God. No one is better no one is worse. We are all equal. As for Jagsaw let him eat his Peasant stew and engage in his PEASANTRY an be off with Him! One question. Why do we never hear of Hindu or Muslim Jatts? They dont seem to shout and scream they are Jatt? People who brag about being Jatt who are Sikhs. Only have any prestige because they are Sikh! Its the Sikh faith that gives you any standing in the world.The fact of the matter is hindu and muslim jatts have no high rank in their respective faiths and communities infact they are seen as lower status. Just dont forget that you have standing and respect in the world because you are Sikh. Without Sikhism you would be nothing!! And would be just a low status Hindu and Muslim Jatt.

I agree that, by modifying the title of this thread, the mods have directly personally attacked Jagsaw. That is unacceptable. As moderators, they have behaved rather amateurishly. If they disagreed with the premise of the thread, they should have deleted/removed the thread. To amend the thread in this way harms the image of the moderators and that of the forum. I expected better from the mods.

Seems like a Mod does not understand the way you used the n word which was a valid use but then to change it to "Jigsaw and I have no respect" is a bit childish.

Actually bhai Jeevan Singh Ji said that at khalistan rally in USA . in fact he said: khalistan mangan valiyo pehle Khalse bano.

* K Brar the dog who led the attack on our Jind Jaan, Sri Harmandar Sahib actually specifically mentioned this forum in one of his interviews, shows that the govt is aware and tracking the movements of Panth Dardis online as well. * Many young Sikhs who were involved in online Panthic seva were arrested by Punjab Police a few months back. * The Indian RAW mole planted in the German Sikh community was arrested recently as well. Germany has the maximum number of wanted Sikh Kharkoos and has always been a Khalistani stronghold, this is the reason they infiltrated it. * Unofficial reports from the Council of Khalistan (USA) talk about 2500 persons planted by the Indian Govt in our diaspora to divide us, mislead us and give information of potential Kharkoos to the Sarkar.