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Watch the video. In a few minutes, it captures the complete victory of secular, degenerate "Punjabiyat" over Sikhi. It does so in several ways. First, it celebrates anti-Sikh practices as central and beloved parts of everyday life in Punjab: - Alcohol is referred to not just in the chorus, but also in other lines (like the one referencing a peg) - Maan celebrates being a jatt - People are playing cards (and therefore probably gambling) Second, it almost erases the Sikh presence from Punjab - The vast majority of men in the video are monay, of the rest almost all are beard trimmers. There are one or two Sikhs with beards in it. Even most of the old men are monay. The video was made in the mid 90s. - The flagrant deletion of the Sikh presence in Punjab is perhaps most apparent in a scene featuring a "baba" who grabs Maan's ear during the card game. How ludicrous is it that, in the the mid 90s, a "baba" in Punjab has a haircut, a mustache, no beard, and a sloppily tied pagh with the final layer left hanging on the back? The man looks like a Haryanvi Hindu jaat. I've never seen an elderly Sikh (even trimmers and monay) wearing a pagh with a mustache but no other facial hair or stubble. Not nowadays, and DEFINITELY not 30 years ago. In Maan's revisionist Punjab, the elderly Sikh "baba" archetype is replaced by a Haryanvi Hindu jaat. Let that sink in for a moment. Third (and perhaps most disgustingly): along with the near-absence of Sikhs, we see a large proportion of the men wearing military uniforms. I take it you guys know what the Indian military was responsible for in the decade and a half prior to when the "Apna Punjab Hove" video was produced. So why would the military be featured so prominently in the video? It is symbolic and sickening: the Sikhs have been defeated, and the military is left standing, celebrated as the true sons of Punjab as they dance and engage in anti-Sikh practices (drinking). That is the Punjab that is celebrated by Maan (and most dimwitted, shameless Punjabis of modern times): a Punjab free of Sikhi and taken over by a bunch of degenerates. The most sad this is that, while Maan was engaging in ludicrous revisionism, his depiction is what Punjab has more-or-less become.

I agree with some of your points and understand where you're coming from regarding Gurdas Maan (he has been quite problematic) However, Not all old Baba's keep a long beard and hair. It sometimes depends on regions of Punjab too. Personally, I've come across Sikh Baba's who wore/wear a "Haryanvi"-style white turban and don't keep hair on their heads/long beards. This isn't a recent trend, I've personally seen old black & white photos where Baba's were like that. There are also some old Baba's in villages who are Hindus and some of them don't keep long beards but still wear a turban (as it's cultural, not just religious). So the Baba in Maan's video may be a Hindu? But I agree with you as well, Maan should've showcased more diversity in his video and included several long-bearded Baba's. People playing cards in the video are most likely not gambling. Playing cards is a very common pass time for middle aged and old men in rural Punjab and they gather in the evenings to play. Regarding the military shown, I understand why Sikhs will have a problem with it due to history. But in reality, most rural Punjabis don't have a problem with the military (experience in southern areas of Punjab). They actively join it and see it a great "career" so that's why Maan showed it in his video. Albeit, the trend has now shifted to moving abroad rather than joining the army. Promoting alcohol is very wrong, he shouldn't have endorsed it. And I agree, singers/actors need to stop bringing up the partition in every song/movie. We have plenty of history and beautiful Haveli's, Qila's, medieval buildings, ancient/Indus valley civilization sites, etc in east Punjab too that no one bothers to explore/preserve as we're so stuck in pre-partition era. We're neglecting east Punjabi history over the long gone British Punjab.

This is all planned. But Atheism will also fail as it is totally material. AI tech itself is proving a spiritual realm exists and to survive we need to be aware of it.

Religion has also become our political badge. Who we vote for what we stand for ect. All religions are definantly fading even Islam. Many Muslims like to put up a front that they are religious. But we all know that many from that faith engage in activities that are far from religious. I guess Islam will just take a little longer to fade then the rest.

I think it comes down to this: 1. People don't want to live their life according to any rules or restrictions 2. People are very egotistical and feel that if their something outside of their realm of understanding, it must not be possible or must not exist

It sounds like you could easily be that "jihadi guy"

So you've seen sikh people with articles of faith properly snogging in public?

Why do you find it offensive?

I've never seen any Sikhs kiss in public? Have you actually ever seen it? Or is it a hypothetical question?

then you don't need to ask the question. you're doing this in the privacy of your own home ? we aren't total prudes. ?

Sri Hazur Sahib

Is this a norm or something?

Chaupai Sahib was composed at Gurdwara Bibhaur Sahib past Anandpur Sahib.

Yeah Guru ji mentions the place in Bachittar Natak. It was where they had their first battles apparently. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ CHAUPAI ਰਾਜ ਸਾਜ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਬ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਜਥਾ ਸਕਤਿ ਤਬ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ When I obtained the position of responsibility, I performed the religious acts to the best of my ability. ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਨਿ ਖੇਲਿ ਸਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਮਾਰੇ ਰੀਛ ਰੋਝ ਝੰਖਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ I went hunting various kinds of animals in the forest and killed bears, nilgais (blue bulls) and elks.1. ਦੇਸ ਚਾਲ ਹਮ ਤੇ ਪੁਨਿ ਭਈ ॥ ਸਹਰ ਪਾਵਟਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ਲਈ ॥ Then I left my home and went to place named Paonta. ਕਾਲਿੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਤਟਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਲਾਸਾ ॥ ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੇ ਪੇਖਿ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੨॥ I enjoyed my stay on the banks of Kalindri (Yamuna) and saw amusement of various kind2. ਤਹ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਨੇ ਚੁਨਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਰੋਝ ਰੀਛ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥ There I killed may lions, nilgais and bears. ਫਤੇ ਸਾਹ ਕੋਪਾ ਤਬਿ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲੋਹ ਪਰਾ ਹਮ ਸੋ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਾਜਾ ॥੩॥ On this the king Fateh Shah become angry and fought with me without any reason.3.

Yes, I've decided that "chalo chalo" nonsense ruins the serene vibe I'm after. I'm considering a gupt excursion to India just for the sole purpose of trekking around the Gurdware without a family member shooing me out of every Gurughar after 10 mins.

Yeah, and they used to have dastaar tying contests there - I guess to encourage people to look smart and not just wrap it around their heads rago.

Taran Taaran Sahib isn't far from Amritsar, just down the road. The Sarowar (sacred pool) is massive. I have been to 4 Takhats just want to visit Patna Sahib. Also want to visit Nankana Sahib (Pakistan).

vjkk vjkf iam a amritdhari singh age 17 and i have ADHD i have alot o people especially punjabis giving me greif but guru sahibh gived u strength please personal message me for any advice also mods please approve this post

theese guys are great they know what they saying

lol you need to visit jhatkamaryada.com oh wait you akj's don't believe a historical and reputable source.

k so give me a source where naam was "gifted" and i'll believe you

Where the <banned word filter activated> is this topic going?

Here's the video on Sri Sukhmani Sahib

Yes why not? Come on! Times change. There no hukam against it... Unfortunately, also no hukam against sex in public. BELIEVE ME! With humans one things lead to another; if this is ok, that is ok too! Attitude. So let all be on the safe side n go with it is wrong for couples to even hug one another, in public!

Aren't we supposed to control kaam, isn't that out of control?

There is a poem by Bulleh Shah who, according to tradition, would have been about 19 when the Khalsa was born and lived till 1757. So he would have witnessed Sikhs being hunted like dogs by Moghuls and their ascension into various misls (including the Banda period inbetween.) I can't remember the dates off hand but I'm wondering if this period includes some of the invasions by Afghans, they may have come later. Before anyone gets excited, please bear in mind that we have no fool proof way of establishing whether this writing was truly contemporary and that western history "scholars" would give this little weight as it is oral tradition. I found it fascinating nonetheless. Note the reference which seems very close to the "chirian toon baaj laroune" attributed to Guru Gobind Singh. Had this phrase become common at the time, hence Bulleh Shah's use? Rabb Janay! "Ulte hor zamane aaye, Hun asaan bhed sajjan de paaye. | (sajjan=beloved) kaa(n) laggad nun maaran lagge, | (laggad=hawk) chiriyan jurre khaaye | (chiriyan=birds;jurre=a bird of prey) iraqiyan nun chabuk paunde, | (iraqiyan=a breed of horses) gade khood khavaye | (gade=donkey;khood=green fodder) aapneyan vich ulfat naahee, | (ulfat=love) ke-he chaachche taaye | (chaachche=father's younger brother;taaye=elder) piyo putran ittfaak naa kaahee, | (piyo=father;putran=sons) dheeyan naal naa maaye | (dheeyan=daughters;maaye=mother) sachcheyan nun hun milde dhakke, | (sachcheyan=truthful;dhakke=push around) jhoothe kol bahaaye | (jhoothe=liars) agle jaaye bankaale baithe, pichliyan farash vichaye | (farash=floor) (one line is missing here, somebody please complete it) Bullah jina hukam hazooron andaa, tina nun kaun hataaye." "Perverse times have come, I know the mystery of the beloved crows have begun to hunt hawks, and sparrows feed on falcons horses bear the whipping, while donkeys graze on lush green no love is lost between relatives, be they younger or elder uncles There is no accord between fathers and sons, Nor any between mothers and daughters The truthful ones are being pushed about, the tricksters are seated close by The front liners have become wretched, the back benchers sit on carpets Those in tatters have turned into kings, the kings have taken to begging O Bulleh, that which is His command who can alter His decree." PS - I got this a long time ago from a website about Bulleh Shah. I haven't got the source.

It is written in Bhai Nand Lal Ji's writings will find it for you tonight