Breaking News: Sikhs Clash With Dera Sucha Sauda Followers In Punjab, 12 Injured

[singh di fauj]

Section 144 has been implemented in Patiala...

All the schoools in Bathinda are closed for 3 days...

Morchas are going on in Amritsar right now... and effigies are being burnt right now....

all the shops in amritsar have been closed...

Rasta roko in Jammu ... Jammu Pathankot highway has been closed...

all in all situation is very tense...

[kaur_khalistani_lioness]

Section 144 has been implemented in Patiala...

All the schoools in Bathinda are closed for 3 days...

Morchas are going on in Amritsar right now... and effigies are being burnt right now....

all the shops in amritsar have been closed...

Rasta roko in Jammu ... Jammu Pathankot highway has been closed...

all in all situation is very tense...

yeaaaahhh!!! (lets look at the bright side)....chuttiyaaann in schooll! :devil:

(sorry...if u are a lil kid and dont understand what is goin on ....and u had the biggest assignment and test the next day.. thats the best thing that can ever happn. "rab heard my prayr..and closed the school". just tryin to lookin at it from diff peoples perspective)

-businesses is a mess:( (a businessman's worried)

- someone had so much on their list to do today but can't cuz the city is closed.

-people are hurt: crying nd worried moms, sisters, brothers, nd dads of those people

- and lets not forget the people who are angry on the both sides..

also people who dont care and think sme sikhs have gone mad over nothin ..nd creatin problm like always

hmm how about people in the world who dont even know who sikhs are and what is goin on in that part of the world?

~vaheguru~

[nanosecond]

CNN -IBN(English)

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/streaming-260.html

But the English channel is not giving as intesnsive coverage as the Hindi one

[nanosecond]

Another English News Channel

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videos.aspx?id=0

[sunny_love_kirtan]

situation worst

protest continue in states like jammu and indore.

[S1ngh]

i dont know why I feel this is politically motivated. sacha sauda supported congress in last elections, BJP, navjot sidhu went to this baba to get his support and blessings. Now SAD/BJP is trying to water down baba's influence. Sikhs should not expect a lot from punjab govt. or SGPC. badal will only try to leverage this situation to undermine baba and win his support. If sikh jathebandis can't do anything now, this will pass just like bhaniara issue and political players will achieve their goal.

^^^^ thats the truth ^^^^

what peaceful solution is there to all this?

When dharm shakti is weak in punjab, politicians misuses religion for their personal gain. This is what is happening now. If we were pakay in our dharam then today we won't hear quotes like "Sacha Sauda dera has 2 crore followers (more than 200,000).

Western born/educated youth should understand that in such situations violence should be avoided and start working toward the positive transformation of punjabi rural sikhs (gurmat prachar). We lost one generation and we shouldn't start looking forward of loosing another.. ?

[hawk13]

i dont know why I feel this is politically motivated. sacha sauda supported congress in last elections, BJP, navjot sidhu went to this baba to get his support and blessings. Now SAD/BJP is trying to water down baba's influence. Sikhs should not expect a lot from punjab govt. or SGPC. badal will only try to leverage this situation to undermine baba and win his support. If sikh jathebandis can't do anything now, this will pass just like bhaniara issue and political players will achieve their goal.

^^^^ thats the truth ^^^^

what peaceful solution is there to all this?

When dharm shakti is weak in punjab, politicians misuses religion for their personal gain. This is what is happening now. If we were pakay in our dharam then today we won't hear quotes like "Sacha Sauda dera has 2 crore followers (more than 200,000).

Western born/educated youth should understand that in such situations violence should be avoided and start working toward the positive transformation of punjabi rural sikhs (gurmat prachar). We lost one generation and we shouldn't start looking forward of loosing another.. ?

Dear brother I respect ur feelings but dera people have openly declared war on sikhs we can not plead with with folded hands not to do it.These people have to be taught a lesson not like in past but on large scale if they kill one GUSIKH WE MUST GET 200 OF ENEMIES IN RETURN. Please do not take on heart i meant no offence

[proactive]

Various tall claims are being made about the number of members of Sacha Sauda Manmat. Some channels are saying they are 3 crore (30 million) in Punjab and Haryana which is a hugely inflated figure. The total population of Punjab and Haryana is only 44 million. These manmatis are probably less that a Lakh out of which they have managed to get about 10-15,000 into Bathinda. The ones in Bathinda are from around Malwa or from outside Punjab like Haryana, Delhi etc. The events in Bathinda are a show of strength by the Dera head, you don't get thousands of your followers to riot and rampage for two days without having given a direct order. These events are aimed at diverting the public from the CBI report which has to be submitted later this month about the accusation of rape against the saadhu and the role of his followers in the murder of an investigative reporter who was looking into this case.

There are two scenarios that can be played out here-;

Either the Akal Takht Jathedar and SGPC take the bull by the horns and galvanise the Sikhs into teaching this saadhu and his arrogant followers a lesson and show him that in taking on the Sikhs the saadhu has bitten off more than he can chew. It's clear that either Badal is disinterested in doing anything and just wishes that the problem just dies down or he is maybe even involved in some way in these stage managed events in order to help save this saadhu from facing the full rigours of the law for his crimes. In India the easiest way to get someone off a court case is to get as many of your followers to protest and riot and the judiciary under pressure from the government will always back down. Badal has a history of saving saadhus just before the Sikhs get their hands on them. He did the same in 1979 to the Sant Nirankari saadhu. He also has experience in browbeating authority and escaping punishment especially when he made sure that he had thousands of his supporters to intimidate the Akal Takht Jathedar in 1995 when he was called to the Akal Takht as to why he had not dissolved his Akali Dal faction in the light of moves at Akali unity made by the Jathedar. If he had wanted to Badal could easily have sent in more police and made sure that the police took strong action against the manmatis. The rioters like all mobs are cowards and any strong action would have seen them beat a hasty retreat out of Bathinda. The manmantis knew they could get away with their rioting otherwise you don't attack the police in India unless you know for sure they have orders not to take action against you. Police in India are well known to shot before they ask any questions, so why didn't the police shoot at rioters especially as they were being attacked by them? That's the big question and one that shows the politicking behind these events. Badal will try and pressurise the SGPC and Akal Takht to 'make calls for peace' and keep putting off making a decision until the whole matter dies down.In the meantime the manmatis in Bathinda will cut back on the rioting and then having declared that they have given the Sikhs a beating in Guru Ka Malwa they will return to their Dera. Meanwhile the Akal Takht Jathedar will have his meeting and in light of the reduced violence will probably make some strong statement and then rush back to Amritsar in his air conditioned car.

The only factor that can put a spanner in the works is Akali Dal (Amritsar), Dal Khalsa, Damdami Taksal and the more militant of the Sikh Students Federation. Provided they get enough of their followers there and in the agitated mood that Sikhs are in manage to force the Akal Takht Jathedar to issue a Hukumnama against the dera. The Akal Takht Jathedar could easily have given a call to the Sikhs in the villages around Bathinda to blockade the town in a show of strength. A peaceful boycott by the Lakhs of Sikhs around Bathinda would have ensured that the manmati rioters come to their senses. In this situation they would have been begging the police for protection. Given the fact that the manmatis have continued their rioting and the state has stood as mute spectator then the Akal Takht Jathedar has the right to give a call to Sikhs around Bathinda to save the live and property of Sikhs in Bathinda from the rioters. A similar thing was done in 1986 when Batala was blockaded after Hindus had attacked Sikhs there. That blockade call was given by the Kharkoos and not the Akal Takht Jathedar. Already some of the dispersing rioters have been assaulted and beaten up on the outskirts of Bathinda.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

i watched on tv, sikhs are protesting by breaking vehicles and shops and the small moving shops of vegetables and snaks of poor people.

and media is saying that SIKHISM is the face of humanity but this type of protest is the face of devil.

some people have nothing to do with the matter or dnt have any sentiments but they are always first to do violence.

[AK47 JATHA LION]

This image shows how Hindu terrorists of Saccha Sauda Dera attacked innocent Sikh protestors.

This has all the hallmarks of the nirankari clash incident and also of the anti-sikh riots . This time this time The pendulum will swing in our favour. They only gonna learn when they start getting sprayed with round after round.

Even bibia from the dera had sticks in their hands and were throwing stones at sikh protestors. Even the bibian need 2 get wacked up if they get in the way. None of the "dont hit girls" rubbish applies now, they 've challenged the guru and they've physically attacked innocent protesting sikhs.

ram rahim's day will come when the horses of the khalsa will trample on his chest. the sikh koum is alive and it will avenge this attack!