Gang War

[sonearyetSOfar]

well i guess that is for vaheguru to judge.

but did they go against their rehit - if so then

rehni ruhai, soee sikh mera. oohh sahib, mai os ka chera.

Jab lag Khaalsaa ruhe niyara, tab lag tej diu mai sara,

jub eh guhe bipran ki reet, mai na karon in ki purteet

[Inder Singh]

so your basicully saying if someone isn't a gursikh they arn't a sikh, so maharaja ranjit singh and hari singh narwla weren't sikhs, which means sikhs never had an empire considering ranjit singh drank and had many wives and kartar singh grewal wasn't a sikh udham singh wasn't a sikh

which means according to you sikhs never had an empire or any famous freedom fighters

Jgill ji , Guru sahib gave us appearance of a sikh. If these people maintain that they will not be in drugs. Please do not bring ranjit singh to that level as he had appearnce and love for sikhism. hari sing nalwa was a nitnemi Gursikh.

I have seen some people whom we are talking about here. Many of them know nothing about sikhism. Quite a few smoke also and are in all bad things. They are not sikhs even though born of sikh parents. They are a lost generation and will be confined to archive sof history.

im not bringing maharaja ranjit singh down, he had great love for sikhism but didn't follow it all the way, he drank ate meat and had many wives and mistresses

now their alot of sikhs who have love for sikhism and would die for it but don't follow it, so do you call them non sikhs as well

cause alot of sikhs who cut their hair or don't follow sikhism well but have love for it, you only practise sikhism to get the benifits from it thats the purpose of becoming gursikh but some ppl can't connect to the spiritual side but still have love for the religion

i might be wrong but wasn't hari singh nawla a hunter cause he got his name after he had wrestled and killed a lion while hunting with ranjit singh, which could mean he was a meat eater cause only reason anyone hunted was for meat

many individuals have personal weaknesses. let us not see sikhism from their weaknesses. There is a path laid down by our Gurus. To be a sikh we have to follow bani and have bana. Both go hand in hand.

Had the drug peddlers bana they would not have been in drugs today. had they bana they would not be smokers and maintain loose character. Bana guards us from evil deeds. It strengthens our character. It is our Gurus edict to have bana and we must follow that.

[apnepart2]

jgill what is the point in making comments about ranjit singh or hari singh nalua. They both were of the greatest sikhs born on this earth. They were mahabali soormeh who smashed the noses of turks, pathans, afghans and were one of the very few people feared by tyrants. ranjit Singh was the only NON-Muslim King in the region he ruled in 1000 years. He became a King of the land which had been enslaved for thousands of years by non-punjabis. Ranjit Singh liked scotch whiskey but he was not a smuggler. Hari singh killed a lion with bare hands but he did not kill innocent people. They were not bigots who sold drugs to childeren for easy money. Ranjit Singh did not make money or wealth by selling drugs or weapons but by defeating his enemy in battle. so stop making stupid comparisons to prove a point.

[apnepart2]

BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN IN WHICH PART OF THE ARTICLE DOES SHE ATTACK SIKHISM, WERE, IF YOU CAN'T POINT IT OUT YOUR AN <banned word filter activated>

BUT SHE DOES ATTACK OUR PARANTING SKILLS AND OUR CULTURE WHICH SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO CAUSE HER POINTS ARE TRUE, WE HAVE THE RCMP VANCOUVER POLICE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS DOCUMANTRY'S NOW AGREEING WITH THIS WOMEN'S ARTICLE, NOW ARE YOU SAYING THE RCMP ALL THESE SCHOOL TEACHERS AND VANCOUVER CITY POLICE ARE ALL IDIOTS AND ATTACKING SIKHISM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/26/teen.drug.addicts/index.html?iref=newssearch

now shut the <banned word filter activated> up.

[jgill]

jgill what is the point in making comments about ranjit singh or hari singh nalua. They both were of the greatest sikhs born on this earth. They were mahabali soormeh who smashed the noses of turks, pathans, afghans and were one of the very few people feared by tyrants. ranjit Singh was the only NON-Muslim King in the region he ruled in 1000 years. He became a King of the land which had been enslaved for thousands of years by non-punjabis. Ranjit Singh liked scotch whiskey but he was not a smuggler. Hari singh killed a lion with bare hands but he did not kill innocent people. They were not bigots who sold drugs to childeren for easy money. Ranjit Singh did not make money or wealth by selling drugs or weapons but by defeating his enemy in battle. so stop making stupid comparisons to prove a point.

actually their historians who believe ranjit singh killed his own mother and to conquere the pathans ranjit singh guys burned huge chunks of peshware to the ground including many of the villages, thats how they put fear in the pathans cause usually the pathans would rather die on battle field then surrender hence why the british gave up on nwfp said they couldn't conquere these ppl and gave them tribal rule

but this gang problem is a sikh problem since the gangsters are comming from the sikh community, your solution is lets ignore the problem like all the idiots running the gurdwaras in bc had bin doing for 15 years thinking by ignoring it that things would get better

BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN IN WHICH PART OF THE ARTICLE DOES SHE ATTACK SIKHISM, WERE, IF YOU CAN'T POINT IT OUT YOUR AN <banned word filter activated>

BUT SHE DOES ATTACK OUR PARANTING SKILLS AND OUR CULTURE WHICH SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO CAUSE HER POINTS ARE TRUE, WE HAVE THE RCMP VANCOUVER POLICE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS DOCUMANTRY'S NOW AGREEING WITH THIS WOMEN'S ARTICLE, NOW ARE YOU SAYING THE RCMP ALL THESE SCHOOL TEACHERS AND VANCOUVER CITY POLICE ARE ALL IDIOTS AND ATTACKING SIKHISM

http://www.cnn.com/2...iref=newssearch

now shut the <banned word filter activated> up.

your seriously dumb, what does that cnn article have to do with this girls article

you claimed this women was taking cheap shots at sikhism in her article

to show you how dumb you are i asked were in the article she took shots at sikhism

instead your screaming like a dog

she pointed the problem out, she pointed at the root cause of the problem, and some of the top cops in vancouver and teachers agree with this womens point of view cause they have come to the same conclusion to and i just posted you a link to a video were a principle at a sikh dominated school talked about how one of the reasons kids are so out of control now in bc is cause of parants spoiling their children like crazy, same thing this lady here pointed out in the article i just had posted that parants spoil their boys and let them get away with everything, so to make this stop we know that we have to educate our community on the consquences of favoring boys and spoiling them and raising them with small amounts of rules, so we don't continue to make the same mistakes and raise more drug addicts and gangsters who sell drugs and kill their friends

[Inder Singh]

actually their historians who believe ranjit singh killed his own mother and to conquere the pathans ranjit singh guys burned huge chunks of peshware to the ground including many of the villages, thats how they put fear in the pathans cause usually the pathans would rather die on battle field then surrender hence why the british gave up on nwfp said they couldn't conquere these ppl and gave them tribal rule

but this gang problem is a sikh problem since the gangsters are comming from the sikh community, your solution is lets ignore the problem like all the idiots running the gurdwaras in bc had bin doing for 15 years thinking by ignoring it that things would get better

Ranjit singh's mother was very wise lady and known as mai malwain. She was looked towards giving wise opinion on many issues. There is a clique of anti sikh historians like Harjinder dilgeer who flout such stories to bring bad name to sikh history.

Pathans were defeated stoutly in the battlefield and not killed. Read sikh history of a crushing defeat sikhs gaev pathans led by ahmed shah bralevi who was a fantic muslim from Uttar pradesh and came to peshawere to wage a jihad against sikhs. They were taught a bitter lesson by sikhs which they still remember.

[apnepart2]

Jgill the root of the problem is the Drug cartels operating outside the borders of us and canada. As long as there is money in it it cannot be stopped. Even if you can make these people or so called sikhs turn away from this lucrative business, drugs would still be available on streets, to sikhs as well as non-sikhs. It is funny how the writer is blaming the sikh community for something it is not even remotely related to.

and don't call me a dog, it just shows your upbringing.

[jgill]

actually their historians who believe ranjit singh killed his own mother and to conquere the pathans ranjit singh guys burned huge chunks of peshware to the ground including many of the villages, thats how they put fear in the pathans cause usually the pathans would rather die on battle field then surrender hence why the british gave up on nwfp said they couldn't conquere these ppl and gave them tribal rule

but this gang problem is a sikh problem since the gangsters are comming from the sikh community, your solution is lets ignore the problem like all the idiots running the gurdwaras in bc had bin doing for 15 years thinking by ignoring it that things would get better

Ranjit singh's mother was very wise lady and known as mai malwain. She was looked towards giving wise opinion on many issues. There is a clique of anti sikh historians like Harjinder dilgeer who flout such stories to bring bad name to sikh history.

Pathans were defeated stoutly in the battlefield and not killed. Read sikh history of a crushing defeat sikhs gaev pathans led by ahmed shah bralevi who was a fantic muslim from Uttar pradesh and came to peshawere to wage a jihad against sikhs. They were taught a bitter lesson by sikhs which they still remember.

ranjit singh with out a doubt was the greatest sikh leader the sikhs had, he's probably the biggest inspirational sikh to live, this is why i use his name when their dumb sikhs who go around saying oh you drink your not a sikh or you do this your not a sikh but these idiots will claim maharaja ranjit singh is a great sikh making themselves look like judgemental hypocrites cause ranjit singh drank and ranjit singh ate meat and he had sex with many womenn and many wives, this is why if anyone ever tried juding me i would knock their teeth out

[jgill]

Jgill the root of the problem is the Drug cartels operating outside the borders of us and canada. As long as there is money in it it cannot be stopped. Even if you can make these people or so called sikhs turn away from this lucrative business, drugs would still be available on streets, to sikhs as well as non-sikhs. It is funny how the writer is blaming the sikh community for something it is not even remotely related to.

and don't call me a dog, it just shows your upbringing.

cause drugs r available why doesn't everyone in society do drugs, if rat poison is available why doesn't everyone in society eat rat poision, to say cause something is available ppl are going to do it is a dumb statement

their reasons ppl don't do drugs even though its available

and the reason their our ppl who don't do drugs and most ppl dont eat rat poison unless their sucidal is cause their educated on the effects of these, they know if they play around with narcotics what the consquences can be

if parants educate their kids on the consquences of gangs they will have a higher chance of staying away

this lady who wrote the article isn't attacking sikhism, and she isn't blaming sikhs for all the problems, but since your making this claim could you show me were in the article she's blaming sikhism or all sikhs for the gang problem

all she's doing is pointing at the cause for sikh youth to join gangs, she is pionting right at the root of the problem

for ppl who blame media or indian govt should not have children cause their going to make dumb parants, and we already have to many dumb parants in our community, when you blame the media or who ever you sound like one of those dumb parants who blame their kids friends for getting their kids involved in drugs rather then pointing the finger at themselves and their paranting and at their children for making the decisions they did, cause the media or their friends don't put a gun to their kids head and make them do anything

cause at the end of the day who ever cries victim is going to get raped in life and ppl who have accountability will see tremendous amount of succuss

but for all the idiots who are attacking this article

please point out were this lady is blaming sikhism

and were she blames sikhs for gang problem

cause all i see from this article is that this women is explaining why sikh youth get involved in gangs, the root cause

which is we spoil our boys in the community

raise them like kings

dont' give them much responsibility

and forget to disipline them when they do wrong

hell go watch the video i posted cause the vancouver city police and rcmp and school teachers and principles believe this is the cause to the problems in our community, so if your going to attack this lady and the article i have posted then be stupid enough to attack vancovuer police rcmp and school teachers and principles, and if your dumb enough to believe the indian govt corrupts kids in india then be dumb enough to believe they corrupt kids in canada to

[apnepart2]

Why is the lady not looking at the root of the problem. You were trying to project rich parents as being root problem. While you have been clearly provided with the root of the problem. But your myopic view cannot see beyond your own neighbourhood. Nor can the lady see it. Perhaps she was jealous seeing her Sikh neighbours teen driving a beemer.