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Am i reading this right, 2 newbie individuals from the town of dudley think they have the right to judge a young member of the committee for resigning from this shambles of a manmat committee who have the audasity to openly abuse our gurmaryda. And these jokers think that they can deflect attention of beadbi by creating a scapegoat. How very sianna indeed.

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PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR SIKH CONTACTS TO CONTINUE RAISING AWARENESS Press Release and Sangat Update - Dudley, UK 6 April 2011 www.satkaarcampaign.blogspot.com Gurdwara Parbandhiks and Panthic S

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. I must agree with my veer ji by the name of "whoareya" on this one. I have been involved in Gurdwara's for decades, and i have myself witnessed many y

The Dudley Gurdwara committee is far from perfect, they make many questionable decisions, and some (meat sharab parties and extension of building) are downright wrong BUT Why are words being thrown

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On may occasions i have had youths do this, come into the picture then run scared when it comes to doing Seva. God only remembers the people who do Seva, not the people who come down in numbers and then disappear when the dust has settled.

So, i think we should give the committee more respect that this one kid who has decided its too much for him to handle.

Seva? How is promoting the very things that are against Sikhi, Seva? Creating an environment in which there is meat and alcohol on Gurdwara premises is attacking the very core concepts of Sikhi. This is not Seva --> this is the very opposite. No matter how much else you do, you (the committee) will never be able to take the dharmic debt of being the ones that allowed and promoted meat and alcohol in a Gurdwara. The committee deserve no respect for this.

This debt can be lifted if you realise your mistake and change your ways.

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Siyaanah,

Do You Support The Narak Vaasee, Mahaa Paap, ManMat, Demon Ways Of Alcohol, Meat, Partying, Smoking Etc !?!?!? Or Are You On The Side Of Truth, Love Of Gurmat ,Inspiring The World And Children And ALL With GurMat Principles, And Inspiration For Humanity, Through Khalsa Dharma And Using EVERYTHING THAT BELONGS TO GUROO For Gurmat Principles ONLY, And Are 100% AGAINST The Mahaa Narak Vaasee, Mahaa Paap, ManMatt, Golak Chor Hall Of PAAP, That Was Used For Alcohol, Meat, Dancing, Smoking, Etc !?!?! Are You On The Side Of Paap Or Sikhi !?!?! It Would Be Good For Us If You Told Us Which Side You Are On. If You Are On The Side Of Narak Vaasee Paap Of Meat, Alcohol, Dancing, Smoking Etc; Or Gurmat Prem !!!!!

Are You Really Siyaanah, Or Just Chalaak ?!?!?!

Hoping You’re Siyaanah. But …

Let Us Know.

Thanks.

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TRUE KHALSA PREM WILL RISE WORLDWIDE !!!!!

GUROO SAHIB WILL DO KIRPA WORLDWIDE !!!!! EVERYTHING THAT BELONGS TO GUROO WILL BE USED FOR GUROO PARCHAAR AND SANCHAAR !!!!!

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fatheh

Just to let all Dudley Sangat know that I will be coming on Saturday... if I am not allowed in I will stand in the hallway and do naam simran and show support for those who are going to fight against this continous manmat and total disregard for sikhi...

I urge anyone who can make this meeting to attend like me and show these manmukhs that its time they took this seriously and should a party ever happen in that hall again we will continue to do this until people get the message and stop booking this place and then with maharaj's kirpa this will happen sooner rather than later!!

I also urge the satkaar group that where a clear dialouge does not work (ie when they are dealing with village idiots like these) they also take this approach and then we will see actual change in our community.

Seeing all these posts is good but seeing real action like in egypt is better one day mubarek will go and hopefully one day these manmuks on the committee will also go back to the pubs where they belong.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

I must agree with my veer ji by the name of "whoareya" on this one. I have been involved in Gurdwara's for decades, and i have myself witnessed many youths come into the place, wanting to take over, wanting to change the running as they please, thinking that they have respect, when in actual fact, they have no respect for their elders. I think regardless of the issue, this youngster should have stayed with the committee because they run the Gurdwara everyday, and he should have supported it as a team effort.

On may occasions i have had youths do this, come into the picture then run scared when it comes to doing Seva. God only remembers the people who do Seva, not the people who come down in numbers and then disappear when the dust has settled.

So, i think we should give the committee more respect that this one kid who has decided its too much for him to handle. Dont get me wrong, i am all for soorjavaan young people coming into committees, but not people like this, who go when the going gets tough. Plus, i have heard of the Dudley committee youths anyhow, and i know they are not worthy of their title even.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Posts like this make we want to bury my head in my hands with embarrassment that "Siyaanay" like this exist. I am overwhelmed by your squirmish attitude and the fact that you want to make out this current committee are some kind of committed sewadars. Well, committed might be the right word, but not much commitment to Sikhi, perhaps more commitment to ensuring a drinking den is sustained in the hall.

Grow up Siyaanah, looks like the youth saw more sense and left the sangat of such Siyaanah cynics

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I must agree with my veer ji by the name of "whoareya" on this one. I have been involved in Gurdwara's for decades, and i have myself witnessed many youths come into the place, wanting to take over, wanting to change the running as they please, thinking that they have respect, when in actual fact, they have no respect for their elders. I think regardless of the issue, this youngster should have stayed with the committee because they run the Gurdwara everyday, and he should have supported it as a team effort.

Meray Pyaray Dudley Siyaanay,

Why are you trying picking holes in the action of a youth who was probably in his nappies whilst siyaanay elders like yourselves were allowing kegs of Double Diamond in the Gurdwara property!

Why do you expect any poor young person to take on the maaray karam that the rest of the siyanay committee have taken on! It's their hisab kitab with Dharam Rai, don't expect others to have to take any portion of this committees paap in their lekha.

Face it Siyaana, more than likely the youth didn't see this committee as inspirational Sikh role models!

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Seva is optional we cannot judge people thats the role of guru ji......we all have oportunities to do it and those that do it for the right reasons are blessed.

Our seva to the dudley sangat is to make sure that we attend on saturday and show them that we will not allow these manmukhs to dilute sikhi for there thirst of maas and sharab!!

If you want to divert this topic please start up a new debate...

keep this thread on the sikh cultural centre and the beadbi that is taking place there....and how we are going to stop it!!!!

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Why are you all taking this so personally? You do not know this individual. And you do not know me. So how dare you slate me and suggest that i was one who allowed alcohol into the Gurdwara? You have no right. Your problem is that you people do not show elders like myself who have done years and years of seva any respect.

I never condoned alcohol in a Gurdwara but also believe that a community hall is for exactly what it is called, a hall for the local community who have put their hard earned money into it, to have their functions there. It is a local resource which benefits the community. You people who criticise are not from anywhere the area, have never attended the Gurdwara or Community Centre.

And in regards to Gurprit Singh, you do not know anything about him. As you have assumed everything else, you must also be assuming he has taken amrit and does never ending seva for the Gurdwara, but you do not know this, and i still say that if he was such a good sevadar, if he had the best interests of the Gurdwara at heart, he would not have backed out.

Sorry but it is true.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Why are you all taking this so personally? You do not know this individual. And you do not know me. So how dare you slate me and suggest that i was one who allowed alcohol into the Gurdwara? You have no right. Your problem is that you people do not show elders like myself who have done years and years of seva any respect.

I never condoned alcohol in a Gurdwara but also believe that a community hall is for exactly what it is called, a hall for the local community who have put their hard earned money into it, to have their functions there. It is a local resource which benefits the community. You people who criticise are not from anywhere the area, have never attended the Gurdwara or Community Centre.

You ask why we are taking this so personally. You ask why a Sikh can not express his/her outrage at the blatant abuse of Gurdwara owned properties. Respect where respect is due. I often wonder why these committee elders demand respect, particularly when maaray kum of meat, sharab and belligernt parties take place. Shouldn't respect be earned? If someone expects respect only because they are in a position to demand it, then isn't it fake? If you ask me, a person should be respected only for their jeevan, abilities and qualities, not because their committee position or age demands it.

Showing respect is different from feeling respect. The former is a conceited attempt, used, or perhaps misused, for political or selfish gains. The latter is a naturally occurring phenomenon, inspired by legitimate appreciation of the other's jeevan.

Genuine respect is felt inside. It is earned by living a life that inspires and motivates. It is objective and unbiased. But, it is not demanded. Yet, we find our prabhandak committees insisting that we respect them? The truth is that respect has nothing to do with age and seniority. In fact, it is possible that we may respect many people who are lesser than us in age, experience, or status. I respect many of my elders, not because they demand it but, because they command it through their jeevans, their behaviour, and their attitude. On the other hand, I don't feel why we should have respect for simply anyone, especially if they assert themselves needlessly, frequently to show their authority and feel in control, just like these Committees running sharab dens in Gurdwara properties.

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Siyaanah

All this boils down to is that you dont get the respect you deserve. What about the respect Sri Guru GrantH Sahib Ji deserves? Seva is done without the want for recognition. Those who want recongnition are politians.

Sorry to burst your bubble, you monies dont buy the principles embedded in Sikhi. The Gurdwara is Gurujis , not the highest bidders!

I hope you have some passion for something because you have zero passion for Sikhi….

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Lets get the facts straight here:

FACT: If the Gurdwara was not involved this centre would never have been made or been able to survive as long as has.For over 15 years (excluding the last 4 years)all the bills of the Centre where jointly paid out of the Gurdwaras bank account,

FACT: The Gurdwaras charity number and ownership of the freehold is not in question its the Gurdwara who own and run this building

Fact: The money collected for the centre was done under the Gurdwaras name....Giving money to the Gurdwara is one thing...giving money to a bunch of community members to have a party hall is another....

Fact: The Building can function as a Community Centre not just a place to have parties....Have a look at Edward Street, Smethwick Community Center the Nishkam Centre all run by Gurdwara NO meat or alchol or parties there!!

Fact: The Sikh Agenda has now changed If we don't start investing time in our children and communities using a sikh ethos and begin to dilute our relgion we have no future!!! The Gurdwara's role is one of protecting the panth not distroying it!!

Fact: The gurdwara is opposite the centre on one hand you preach Sikhi the next minute you have your ears pollluted with Bhangra Music and guys smoking outside the centre whilst the gurdwara committee members or sevedars are joining in!!

Fact: I have been to dudley gurdwara for many years has my golak money been used to fund maas shaarab YES IT HAS!!!!

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In the interest of fairness to all those involved in discussing this issue, I have to let you know that the following accounts are being accessed from same IP's and most likely are the same person:

Gur<mod edit to protect privacy>

siyaanah

hooareya

whoareya

integratedresettle

I highlighted the two accounts above because one posted this post http://www.sikhsanga...post__p__485732

and then the other agreed with him

why r u all assuming that he's a hero and did it for good reasons? i think he sold out. shudve stuck with the committee. and i heard he's a youth. it jus goes to show that when the s*** hits the fan, they all run...

http://www.sikhsanga...post__p__485783

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

I must agree with my veer ji by the name of "whoareya" on this one. I have been involved in Gurdwara's for decades, and i have myself witnessed many youths come into the place, wanting to take over, wanting to change the running as they please, thinking that they have respect, when in actual fact, they have no respect for their elders. I think regardless of the issue, this youngster should have stayed with the committee because they run the Gurdwara everyday, and he should have supported it as a team effort.

In addition to this, the person posting the first post was hooareya but if you look at the reply by siyaanah he calls him "whoareya". when that indvidual hasnt even made a post in this topic yet.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Dear Sadh Sangat of SikhSangat, my name is Gurpreeth Singh and I am the former member of the Dudley Gurdwara committee who some people have been speaking about on this forum; and in particular, about my resignation. I did not wish to take this measure, but I have copied and pasted below my letter of resignation to the committee. I felt that I needed to get the truth from my side across, and I offer you all to have a read of my reasoning, and then feel free to judge me as you wish.

I would also like to add, that the Gurdwara first and foremost belongs to Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and then the Sangat, so I will continue to do Seva at the Gurdwara with all of my heart, no committee members pushed me out and no committee members could have done so. My reasons were personal and I wish them all the luck. The primary reasons for my resignation are all listed in the letter and they are the only reasons I resigned. Therefore, I would kindly ask anyone else who may have an issue with me and the Seva that I have done in the past, the Seva that I do currently, and the Seva that I will continue to do in the future, to approach me at Guru Nanak Singh Sabha Gurdwara on any given Sunday and let their feelings be known to my face.

There is one more thing I would like to add. I have been attending this Gurdwara for 20 years now. My parents and grandparents have been for a lot longer than that even. I would like to kindly request the people who have been approaching my grandmother since my resignation and victimising her by speaking untruths about me to please stop doing so. If you wish to accuse me of things then have the decency to say so to me, I will gladly answer every query you may have.

I ask forgiveness from the almighty and the Sangat for anything that I have said which has caused offence.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

"Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

01 February 2011

Parbandak Committee

Guru Nanak Singh Sabha Gurdwara

118 Wellington Road

Dudley

DY1 1UB

I am writing in order to inform you that I have no option but to resign from my Seva of Community Welfare Officer and Librarian. I would like to express my appreciation for your leadership and counsel during the duration of my Seva in the Committee. I have learned a lot and this will be of great value to me in the future.

However, the route that the committee have taken in regards to some of its policy and decisions leave me with no choice but to hand in my resignation due to the fact that such policies are totally against my personal views, beliefs and morals. Particularly in regards to the removal of the "Sikh Cultural Centre" sign from the building. When I asked what the basis for this decision to be passed in the committee was, I was told the following:

  • <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">That the Council said the name of the building was "Wellington Road Community Centre" and that the Sikh community should first return the money that the council have put into centre, then they call it what they want. <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">That the Council said the funding of the GNSS Senior Citizens Forum cannot be increased due to the fact that the building is called "Sikh" Cultural Centre and is therefore limited to Sikh people only.
  • That the Sikh Cultural Centre belongs to the Council and the therefore the Sikh community cannot assume ownership.

I was also granted permission by the committee to approach the Council and clarify these issues seen as though I am currently in training at Dudley MBC. Having done so, it became clear from the department I spoke to that in response to the above points:

  • <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">The Council have no involvement in the Sikh Cultural Centre <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">The name of the building on their records was officially "Sikh Cultural Centre"
  • That although funding was taken care of by another department of the Council, the name of the building would not affect the decision to increase/decrease funding, and this would be determined by the nature and strength of the applying organisations application.

Therefore it is clear that the committee's decision to remove the signs was not evidence based, and the reasons presented were false. The biggest dilemma for myself is the fact that Singh's and Kaur's are facing torture and becoming martyrs in India to this very day, in order to maintain the "Chardi Kala" of the Sikh Qaum, and our committee is happy to go backwards and remove our proud name off buildings that we have ownership of. This is an insult to all the sacrifices people have made over the years. It is also my opinion that the Gurdwara should be promoting Sikhi culture.

I do not wish for my name to be associated with such acts that I feel are quite immoral. I wish to stay truthful to myself, the Sadh Sangat and most importantly, Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I wish to have no further part in this committee, one that inevitably people will look back on one day and agree that substantial, long lasting mistakes were made.

Good Luck,

Yours Sincerely

Gurpreeth Singh Aujla

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh"

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    • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59015889   Alec Baldwin: What are prop guns and why are they dangerous? Published 4 hours ago Share IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES On a film set, a real-life tragedy has happened. Police say US actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza on a film set in New Mexico. They were working on the film Rust. Tributes have been paid to Ms Hutchins, 42, while Mr Baldwin is said to be distraught. One local paper found him in tears outside Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office. An investigation is under way and we don't yet know what went wrong. A spokesman for Mr Baldwin said there had been an accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks. Such incidents are rare and the news has stunned the film industry. The use of firearms on set is subject to stringent safety standards. "On the film I recently made, even my plastic gun, I had to sign out, sign in every day," said Australian actor Rhys Muldoon. "So that's why this particular case is so incredibly baffling." Despite sounding innocuous, both prop guns and blanks can be dangerous. Here's what we know about them. What is a prop gun? Blanks are used in the film industry to imitate live ammunition. The reason they are so convincing is that blanks are essentially modified real bullets. While the term "bullet" is commonly used to describe what is loaded into weapons, more properly it is a cartridge that is loaded: a self-contained ammunition package made up of a casing holding an explosive powder that when fired, blasts out a projectile, or bullet. Blanks differ because although they use explosive they don't use a projectile. A prop gun could mean a range of items, from non-functioning weapons to cap guns. But it can also mean a real weapon, or one adapted for firing blanks. Together they add authenticity to productions - fire a blank using a prop gun and you'll get a loud bang, a recoil and what's known as a muzzle flash, the visible light created by the combustion of the powder. Has this kind of incident happened before? Yes. You may remember Brandon Lee, the actor son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee. Brandon Lee died aged just 28 in 1993 while filming The Crow, when a prop gun which mistakenly had a dummy round loaded in it was fired at him. Dummy rounds contain no explosive charge and in this case were used to film a close-up. When blanks were loaded part of the dummy round remained in the gun. After Lee was shot, the cameras kept rolling. It was only when he did not get up at the end of the scene that those on set realised something was wrong. In another incident, in 1984, US actor Jon-Erik Hexum started joking around on the set of a television show after being frustrated by delays in filming. He loaded a revolver with a blank, spun the chamber, put the gun to his temple and fired. Unlike Lee, he was not killed by a projectile, but rather the force of the blast was strong enough to fracture his skull. He died days later in hospital. How can blanks and props be used safely? Hexum's death highlights a problem with blanks - even without a projectile they pack enormous power. Adding to the risk, some film sets use extra powder to make the visual impact stronger. Film sets usually have strict rules about the use of prop guns. Specialists provide weapons for use on film sets and advise on their use. "There's basic safety measures on every set," said Mike Tristano, an armourer who has worked with Alec Baldwin in the past. "You never point a gun, even if it is not a firing gun, at anyone else. I'm at a loss how this could have happened and how it could have done that much damage." A common shot in film shows an actor firing into the camera and Steven Hall, who has worked on films such as Fury and The Imitation Game, says it only happens with safeguards. "If you are in the line of fire... You would have a face mask, you would have goggles, you would stand behind a Perspex screen, and you would minimise the number of people by the camera, " he said. "What I don't understand in this instance is how two people have been injured, one tragically killed, in the same event." Others working in film wondered why, at a time when gun effects can be cheaply added using computers, blanks are still being used at all. "There's no reason to have guns loaded with blanks or anything on set anymore. Should just be fully outlawed," tweeted Craig Zobel, an actor and director whose credits include Westworld and Mare of Easttown. "Prop guns are guns," TV writer David Slack tweeted. "Blanks have real gunpowder in them. They can injure or kill - and they have. If you're ever on a set where prop guns are treated without proper caution and safe handling, walk away. "No show or shot is worth risking people's lives," he added.
    • Gurbani tells parents not to impose on their children this way. Perhaps somebody knows the location or I'll see what I can find. It's either in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji.  Once they know you are able to leave and have the backing of Gurmat perhaps you will find you have new bargaining power for the behaviors that are acceptable in your family. You don't have to be the man of your house just be a man of your house, who sticks to his guns, backs with Gurbani, and speaks the truth for Sarbat Da Bhala. You are not beholden to them. If they want that extra icing in life called multigenerational support of extended family they have to create an environment for all three of you to joyfully have families there. And earn your consent. It is a great thing to do, provide for the elders...when they respect you and help you create your own joyful life.  I am only now rekindling certain familial relationships after being brainwashed my whole life that I was a man at birth, responsible for my mother, and going to be her retirement. It's sick and deranged. I actually want to do all those things. They way people twist it into slavery is disgusting though, and I will have no part in one sided contracts honored only by me. A big turning point is when I realized they all expected that to be at the expense of me having my own life, family, etc. And that as a larger family none of them were worth anything. A bunch of shallow, nindaks, assimilated into white supremacy before my eyes. No thanks. Hypocritical. Lying. Scheeming.  Next.  Family is a team. It's everyone playing the same game, by the same rules, and working together or it's not. Either we all win or it's not working right.  Bro. You can move. You can take a sibling with you. The flamingos leave their babies do they not? Guru Nanak Dev Ji took off on foot did he not? You can stay too and lay it down bro. Calm, cool, calculated, chardikala and correct.  They get rude, bring in Sangat to witness and support you. It's your family business, be a pro. The parents don't listen and learn something off you go. If you respect your parents, respectfully tell them what they need to do to have the life they want. If it includes you. 
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