Dudley Gurdwara Update

[Satkaar 108]

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Press Release and Sangat Update - Dudley, UK

5 April 2011

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GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee continue to disregard UK Sangat's concerns

Members meeting called to approve separation of hall from Gurdwara to justify meat, alcohol and parties

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Following on from our previous Sangat Update dated 6 March 2011, where the Satkaar Campaign's Sevadaars exposed the attempts by the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara's committee to cover up the clear link between the Sikh Cultural Centre and the Gurdwara Sahib, the Dudley committee has continued to defy the UK Sangat by scheduling another meeting of its local membership this coming Saturday 9 April 2011 to endorse the separation of the Sikh Cultural Centre from the Gurdwara Sahib.

Since the Satkaar Campaign established contact with the Dudley committee on 21 January 2011, with Guru Ji's blessings, all parties have been cancelled. However the Satkaar Campaign is looking for a permanent long-term solution whereby the Dudley committee confirms that it will abide by Akaal Takhat Sahib's 2006 Sandesh. We are disappointed that the Dudley committee continues to think that, by separating the ownership of the Sikh Cultural Centre from the Gurdwara Sahib, this issue will be resolved.

As we have mentioned previously, such course of action is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE to the UK Sangat, and the Dudley committee should note that the UK Sangat WILL PEACEFULLY PROTEST whenever they learn that there is a party to be held at the Sikh Cultural Centre, whether it formally belongs to the Gurdwara Sahib (as it currently does) or whether it belongs to another Trust/Charity (as the Dudley committee is proposing).

Once again, the Dudley Committee is humbly requested to realise the Beadbi (sacrilege) that is occurring by permitting dancing, meat, alcohol, tobacco and parties on the Gurdwara's premises, and that the committee immediately pass a resolution to prevent this Beadbi happening in the future.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[singh211 12]

I have been told the Gurdwara committee and trustees are proposing to create a new charity and transfer the ownership of the community centre to this new entity for a nomimal value perhaps as little as £1. Would they sell their own properties for nominal sums? If not why do they believe they have the right to do this to assets of the Guru's house? A lawyer I know has said the trustees have legal duties to look after the best interests of the Gurdwara and will be personally financially liable to the Gurdwara's sangat if they try to transfer the ownership at below value.

[Pyara 288]

The members of Dudley Gurdwara need to think hard about the long term effects of their decision on the 9 April 2011, not just in this lifetime but many more lifetimes to come. Maray Karam stick and not just effect us but our generations to come.

Dudley members need to realise that Sikh history will look back at these "ballot box" sacrilegious decisions of allowing sharab and maas in the holy Guru ghar complexes and they will be mentioned in sakhis just like the Masands, Massa Rangar or Mahant of Nankana Sahib.

The savings made booking cheap pre-wedding party in these Gurdwara Halls is negligible compared to the price one will have to pay for janams to come for the abuse of the holy house of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. If there is a Sikh conscience left in Dudley then please please think about the implications of what your split second decision will be.

[Satkaar 108]

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Press Release and Sangat Update - Dudley, UK

6 April 2011

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Gurdwara Parbandhiks and Panthic Sevadaars meet to discuss the issue of sacrilege at GNSS Gurdwara Dudley

Meeting sought by Gurdwara Parbandhiks and Panthic Sevadaars on behalf of UK Sangat

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

A meeting organised and attended by members of various Gurdwara Parbandhik committees and Panthic Sevadaars from the midlands area was convened on Tuesday 5 April 2011 at Guru Har Rai Sahib Gurdwara in West Bromwich. The GNSS Gurdwara committee's continued defiance of Akaal Takhat Sahib's 2006 Sandesh, and its efforts to pursue the separation of the Sikh Cultural Centre from the Gurdwara Sahib, including the GNSS Gurdwara membership meeting this coming Saturday 9 April, were discussed.

We understand that the meeting resolved that holding parties in Gurdwara owned or affliated premises was sacrilegious and in defiance of Gurmat maryada. We further understand that a collective decision was made that various Gurdwara representatives and Panthic Sevadaars from the midlands area will seek to arrange an emergency meeting with the GNSS Gurdwara within the coming days to discuss this issue further.

We also understand that Sangat TV (Sky Channel 847) will be hosting a live discussion show (programme date and time to be confirmed), which will feature community elders and leaders discussing issues relating to the Satkaar Campaign in general and in particular the specific topic of GNSS Gurdwara committee's continued defiance of Akaal Takht Sahib's 2006 Sandesh. We further understand that representatives of the GNSS Gurdwara committtee will be invited to attend or call in to the discussion.

The Satkaar Campaign wishes to thank the various Gurdwara Parbandhiks and Panthic Sevadaars for their current positive engagement on issues of Satkaar for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj. The Satkaar Campaign looks up to our elders in this regard, and we wish to work hand-in-hand with them in ensuring that all UK Gurdwaras follow the 2006 Sandesh so that the authority of Akaal Takhat Sahib is not undermined and maximum Satkaar for Sri Guru Granth Ji Maharaaj is maintained. As we have said all along, it is the duty of every Sikh to be alert on these issues. Collectively, nothing can stop the UK Sangat on this issue, since Gurmat is firmly on our side.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[SinghWarrior 102]

Excellent news that our elder Gurdwara leaders are finally taking pro-active steps on these issues. First Sikh Council UK intervened in Sunderland and now midlands prabhandaks. If everyone plays their part, the disease of Gurdwara party halls will get eradicated very quickly.

[Pyara 288]

Looks like a coalition of the Midlands Gurdwaras have now enforced a meeting with the committee of Guru Nanak Singh Sabha Dudley tonight about this issue.

Maharaj kirpa karay, hopefully the committee/members of GNSS Dudley see some sense in this high profile meeting and actually realise the maha beadbi that will be carried out by them when they allow meat, alcohol and parties back in the Sikh Cultural Centre.

[darknight 22]

Dudley Committee had it all planned out even the muppets "members" have already been chosen and will be "in post" asap ........they are 2 steps ahead of the game.....they lied yesterday to the sevadars and will lie again.....the committee have totally instigated this people who attended the meeting were not gurdwara attendees and were specifically invited at the behest of the committee and told how and what to say........the only way this meeting would have been interesting would have if the sevadars attended today......but the jathadars swallowed the lies told to them yesterday and hence the result today!!

the good thing is that they confirmed that the building belongs to the gurdwara and should have been separate when it was built!!

[Charan Singh 16]

Disgusting behaviour from these heretics. The day Dudley has it's first party in the gurdwara's hall, they need to understand a good few thousand protestors will probably turn up! This ones going to be massive...

I'm just glad i'm not related to anyone from dudley committee, how shameful to those poor souls who have to do the sangat of these people. Sorry to the decent people who come from dudley, but dudley just become a dirty word in my dictionery.

[darknight 22]

New Low for Dudley Gurdwara Commitee: At the Gurdwara today the granthi whilst doing the bhog di seva was attacked by one of the committee endorsed "sevadars" who was drunk..... during the ardas the "sevadar" who apparently lives in the gurdwara and immigration status is unknown whilst doing some building work grabbed the granthi in a head lock and had to be pulled off him by others whilst awaiting to do the bhog di seva the committee where fully aware that he drank whilst staying in the gurdwara but again chose to allow it.....looks like the commitee are slowly allowing the sharab policy to be implemented into the gurdwara...the scarey thing is if there was a vote on this issue the sangat especially the bibiyan would shad a jakara :-)

[SinghWarrior 102]

Dudley committee's actions are disgraceful. If they do not fulfil the definition of masands, I do not know who else will. Firstly they are continuing to divert Sangat bheta towards their thirst for meat and alcohol, and now they are letting alcoholics loiter in the Gurdwara, and even attack the Wazir of Guroo Jee. These "prabhandaks" have no right to even be involved in a Gurdwara. Absolute shame on them!

[Pyara 288]

I have little sympathy for the Granthi, let alone this embarrassment of a committee. These Granthi's come with a craving for money and then later play the "slave trade" card by saying they are helpless victims in all this beadbi that these nasty immoral committees carry out.

I recall phoning up GNSS Dudley Gurdwara a few weeks back and getting through to one of these fragile Granthis who washed his hands of all the beadbi by saying he's a humble naukar of the committee and just get's on with his sewa. In my opinion this embarassing fiasco yesterday in the Darbar Sahib can also be seen as Maharaj's penalty upon these Granthi's for continually turning a blind eye to all this beadbi and not speaking up

I'm having my personal rant here, but if Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj wanted humble naukars in 1699, he would not have asked for heads but would have offered salaries. These feeble Granthi/Giani/Preachers and "Sikhs" who turn a blind eye are just diluting our zeal as the brave Khalso to stand up for Satkaar! They're just as bad as the immoral committees!

[darknight 22]

Piyra maybe you can do a couple of weeks seva at the gurdwara and assist the granthi on how he should think and behave...as he probably will need some re- training after he was attacked.

The facts are simple these people where invited to live in the gurdwara with the committees blessing and where fully aware that they drank alchol and even paid them a "salary" to do some dodgy building work even though their immigration status might have meant that they were breaching the law....and a assault was committed in front of full darbar sahib whilst the ardas was going on..

just proves the point if a commitee do not condone alchol on gurdwara premises this type of activity can occur.

[GurSa Singh 69]

It is clear that this Committee are defamatory to the Sikh Community and totally incapable of running a Sikh place of worship. I feel their positions should be taken away from them by the UK sangat.

From a legal perspective, what are the implications if the more Sikhi focused members of the Sangat in the local area did a Kabza of the Gurdwara from this Committee? This committee should be legally thrown out by the coalition of UK Gurdwaras and banned from any Gurdwara Administration for the beadbi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Sikh Maryada and the Jaikara. The woman who shouted the jaikara for the meat and sharab should also be held accountable as well as Sandhu, Poorewal, Atwal, Rai and Anoop who have all been at the forefront. They should all be summoned infront of the UK Sangat live on Sikh Channel/Sangat TV and made accountable for their actions against the Sikh nation.

[Pyara 288]

The GNSS Dudley charity can be taken over by a coalition of UK Gurdwaras.

The GNSS Dudley Committee are obviously not concerned about their position with the Sikh Panth and Akal Takht Sahib as the continually offend the sentiments of the Panth and even had the audacity to state that if the Jathedar of Akal Takht personally visits them they will still allow parties, meat and alcohol in the Sikh Leisure Centre. So the next best steps are to take the very assets the committee think they "own" away from them.

There are 2 feasible options that can be taken; either get the Charity Commissions involved or the UK Sangat occupy the Dudley Gurdwara complex.

1) The Charity Commission can appoint the UK Gurdwaras as managers to run the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara Charity if concerns about alleged "serious mismanagement of the charity and risk to its assets". Taking over a charity is not an unusual step for the Charity Commission who will investigate the affairs of the charity if legitimate concerns are raised.

2) The alternative option is to occupy the entire property. The current committee will have to go through various legal proceedings to evict the Sangat. This will be a civil matter not a criminal one. According to my limited understanding of trespass/squatters rights, as long as there is no forced entry, then no charges of criminal damage can be exercised and the Police will have no powers to remove the occupants. It has been done in the past in the UK where the Gurdwara has been occupied 24/7 by the sangat so that the power of a specific Committee lapses.

[darknight 22]

i heard larger cans where found in the gurdwara...is this true??