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Anyone got any information about what happened yesterday outside Liverpool Gurdwara?

Apparently, there was a protest by the local sangat over some concerning issues.

Can anyone local shed any light on what's going on?

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sevadaars are currently in discussion with the Committee of the United Sikh Association Liverpool and local members of the Liverpool Sangat to understand what has actually happened.

We humbly ask people not to sensationalise any rumours until there is full information available from all parties.

Thank you

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

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One thing is for sure. I should be thanking Guru Jee for not spreading this kind of stuff in North America. Prior to the 80's Anand Karjs were simple. No such thing as reception parties. When the British Invaded North America (brown punjabis) everything got messed up. We probably have only one Gurdwara that was doing this but it seems there is stiff competition for party halls I doubt that there hasn't been any parties there for sometime.

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Thanks satkaar for pursuing this.

Not a go at anyone particular individual, but we (including me) have a tendency to all sit back on beadbi issues, and hope others take the matter on. Everyone is looking to Satkaar these days to sort issues out, when in fact each one of us has a duty to stand up for satkaar issues.

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Not a go at anyone particular individual, but we (including me) have a tendency to all sit back on beadbi issues, and hope others take the matter on. Everyone is looking to Satkaar these days to sort issues out, when in fact each one of us has a duty to stand up for satkaar issues.

I think it is time for Satkaar to have a major fundraising event(s) in UK, so that it gives sangat a chance to show their support and Satkaar should expand their base?

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Not a go at anyone particular individual, but we (including me) have a tendency to all sit back on beadbi issues, and hope others take the matter on. Everyone is looking to Satkaar these days to sort issues out, when in fact each one of us has a duty to stand up for satkaar issues.

Sat bachan!

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Press Release & Sangat Update

Liverpool, 15th November 2011

Allegations of Beadbi at Liverpool Gurdwara

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The Satkaar Campaign was recently made aware by local Sikhs of deeply disturbing allegations of Beadbi taking place at Liverpool Gurdwara. The Sevadaars sought to establish the facts of what was actually happening. After a number of conversations and a detailed email exchange with Mr HS Sohal from the Liverpool Gurdwara Committee, the Sevadaars were assured that no such Beadbi is taking place and the Committee considers that maintaining Satkaar for Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj is their primary obligation.

We then requested several times the local Sikhs who were making the allegations to provide substantive evidence of the claims they had made. They failed to do this. We have now asked them that they now liaise with the Liverpool Gurdwara Committee in a sensible and civil manner to resolve any misunderstandings that may have arisen between them.

As we are sure the Sangat will appreciate, the Satkaar Campaign does not wish to be drawn into any local "politics". Though we feel we have a moral obligation to investigate any serious allegations of Beadbi, and we will, with Guru Ji's and the Sangat's Blessings, pursue such cases where we are provided with substantive evidence, it appears disturbing that serious allegations of Beadbi are being raised for "point scoring".

As we have always mentioned, the Satkaar Campaign is a Sangat led and inspired, grass-roots Gurdwara Reform Movement. It is the duty of every Sikh worldwide to recognise their obligation to Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj and to work relentlessly to ensure that no Beadbi takes place in our Gurdwaras and to our Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj. We must all work collectively in a united manner to meet this overriding priority.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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Sachseeker - If there's real Beadbi going on, why don't you take responsibility to sort it out? If you have an issue with the committee, how can YOU work towards resolving it? Satkaar is everyone's duty, is it not? Why are you looking to others to step up?

You clearly seem to be in the know as to what's going on, and you have an issue - that's why you keep bumping this thread. In anycase, have you even phoned the Singhs up to give your side of the story? The number's on the bottom of the post.

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So not really investigated properly?

Is it not beadbi to call the police into the guru ka darbar when the granthi is trying to address the sangat to tell them that he was threatened by the commitee?

The local sangat making various allegations need to step up, substantiate and agree what the issue actually is. The claims seem to keep changing and just loose any credibility. If you personally know more details, then contact the Satkaar Campaign directly. Don't expect Sikhs from around the country to blindly gather outside Liverpool Gurdwara to escalate what, at this stage, appears to be a non-issue raised by a small number of locals.

We need to know what exactly the issue is in Liverpool? And please communicate the raw "non masala" version, we've heard a barrage of allegations against this committee but no evidence and all anonymous.

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