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In puratan sikhi tradition at the beginner, intermediate stages of one surti- sargun saroop of akaal purkh- sri guru granth sahib ji is worshipped by nine types of bhagti-
Baba Tirath Singh Nirmala in his translation of Pundit Gulab Singhs Bhavrasamrit (p42-44) mentions the nine limbs of Bhakti which are referred to in the Sikh tradition as the Nvai Parkar (Nine methods)- this is mentioned in sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale gurbani katha ang -71 and also mentioned by sant isher singh ji rara sahib wale:

What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?

Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?

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What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?

Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?

Excuse me for jumping in, but Sikhs at a higher level realise God aka Truth to be everywhere, And to be everything and everyone. They recognise the Guru to have experienced this gyan first hand- they understand that the Guru is merged with Truth and so really the Guru is still worshipped but as a being who is merged with Truth- and hence is the Truth- as God discovered himself to be- truth in form. this is beyond logic and so only the high level Bhagat who has experienced and practiced this gyan first hand can truly understand it.

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The Mool Mantar teaches us that Vaheguru is ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ. WIthout the Kirpa of Satguru Nanak Dev Jee the realization of Vaheguru cannot happen. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee has taught Sikhs the importance of Rehit when he says how Pyari Rehit of a Sikh is for Him. He Himself leads by example when He takes Amrit from the Panj Pyaras. Now knowing the importance of Amrit and the Rehit that comes with it, what is stopping a Sikh from it? it is the influence of this world. A Sikh should live by the following words:

ਮੇਰਾ ਰੁਸੇ ਨਾ ਕਲਗੀਆਂ ਵਾਲਾ, ਜਗ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਸਾਰਾ ਰੁਸ ਜੇ

It is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's kushi which is most important, not what the world thinks. The world prefers Sikhs to not take amrit and not follow rehit. But does a Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh Jee care for this world? never. When a Sikh realizes that this world is just as temporary and illusional as a dream he will always choose his Guru and His Kushi over this world.

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What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?
It's meant to broken down for seeker to understand gurmat marg and walk towards it in stages as gurmat is sehaj marg... Bibek/Thal Vich Tin Vastu Peyo Sat Santokh Veecharo - is equally important to understand gurmat marg not just intellectually but live practically too. In grand scheme of things - there is no difference between sargun and nirgun and at the end stage- bhramgyan perception is all one ikongkar. However, for seeker gurbani updesh is broken down in different stages based on seeker individual spiritual development.
Nothing changes at higher level as far as nine types of bhagti goes. However, as far as inner sadhana goes - satguru ji himself turn his sikh inwards towards their gyan roop- as vahiguroo sitting inside all of us as real self- atma-paratama as satguru ultimate roop is jot saroop- pure awareness consciousness bliss (all in one, one in all) and cannot be only confined to only sargun and shabad surat transcedental form
In gurmat, bhagti/shabad surat/gyan are blended beautifully and spendlidly. Gyani sher singh ji said one of divans- gursikh nature is "bhagti mukh hirdaie gyan"... perfect example of such puratan gursikh is baba budda ji who was bhramgyani never left mukh bhagti of serving guru sahib in relations of bhagat and guru and serve six guru's sahiban in his life time as for bhramgyani there is no separation between serving sargun and nirgun and there duty to inspire others attach others also to satguru charan. At the end, it all comes together in bhramgyan stage as one Ikongkar-Ek Jot.


Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?
Body of sri guru nanak dev ji- Sri guru granth sahib ji. In gurmat, yes sri guru granth sahib sargun saroop is worshipped by using nine types of bhagti mentioned in gurbani.

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Body of sri guru nanak dev ji- Sri guru granth sahib ji. In gurmat, yes sri guru granth sahib sargun saroop is worshipped by using nine types of bhagti mentioned in gurbani.

Is Sargun Saroop of Maharaj permanent?

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Is Sargun Saroop of Maharaj permanent?

Sargun saroop of maharaj appear and disappear (unfold and fold) as per hakum of akaal purkh as gurbani does not get destroyed but appears and disappears (alop and loup). So to answer to your question, it is permanent because when is aloup/gupt its in deep non transcendental state (nirgun state) and when its pargat its in transcendental state (sargun) but whats common behind two states is never changing jot ~~ Supreme consciousness Awareness ~~ which is - Ikongkar gyan of naam/shabad itself....!!!!!!!

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This is the first thread where I have seen only five veer ji and neosingh veer ji not having an argument.

It should stay like this.

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This is the first thread where I have seen only five veer ji and neosingh veer ji not having an argument.

It should stay like this.

Agreeing, disagreeing and learning to develop further from these interactions is all part of sikhi.

There is no room for arguing or claiming that your view is correct only. In Sikhism, we all have our own views and we should know that only HE, Akaal Purakh the Ek Onkaar knows the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth !

My farther used to say that you will learn more and get further in life if you keep your Eyes and Ears open whilst keeping your Mouth Shut !!

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Thanks to N30 for answering the questions. So in one of your first post you had stated the following:


According to my understanding and i have checked with gyani sher singh ji regarding this also, passage from sri dasam granth regarding various avtars subjected to kaal as their sargun saroop were in fact subjected to kaal as our physical body are all made out of panj tats -body will merge back in maya (see in shalaok nauvan), is to simply raise awareness of sargun upasakhs (of time/present/future) from sargun into nirgun gyan.
Above- raising awareness also indicitates why sri guru gobind singh maharaj gave such strong cautionary tarna to us followers so we don't confine him into only sargun aspect-
jae ham ko paramaesar ouchar hai | thae sabh narak kundd mehi par hai |

In your last post to me where I asked you whether Sargun is permanent you answered yes it is permanent; in the following way:

Sargun saroop of maharaj appear and disappear (unfold and fold) as per hakum of akaal purkh as gurbani does not get destroyed but appears and disappears (alop and loup). So to answer to your question, it is permanent because when is aloup/gupt its in deep non transcendental state (nirgun state) and when its pargat its in transcendental state (sargun) but whats common behind two states is never changing jot ~~ Supreme consciousness Awareness ~~ which is - Ikongkar gyan of naam/shabad itself....!!!!!!!

Do you not see a clear conflict between the two statements you made?

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Thanks to N30 for answering the questions. So in one of your first post you had stated the following:

In your last post to me where I asked you whether Sargun is permanent you answered yes it is permanent; in the following way:

Do you not see a clear conflict between the two statements you made?

I don't see conflict on statements because i was not talking about sargun in reality literally being confined in sidhant itself but rather sargun is being confined in individual consciousness and thats where i was getting at above. Sri guru gobind singh ji is sargun and nirgun both, if seeker or an individual confine sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj in his/her consciousness limited to only sargun saroop, they are not being aware of sri guru gobind singh ji nirgun roop which is eternal shabad and gyan- self- non transcendental nirgun roop which is ultimate reality and ultimate updesh of gurbani .!!!

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I don't see conflict on statements because i was not talking about sargun in reality literally being confined in sidhant itself but rather sargun is being confined in individual consciousness and thats where i was getting at above. Sri guru gobind singh ji is sargun and nirgun both, if seeker or an individual confine sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj in his/her consciousness limited to only sargun saroop, they are not being aware of sri guru gobind singh ji nirgun roop which is eternal shabad and gyan- self- non transcendental nirgun roop which is ultimate reality and ultimate updesh of gurbani .!!!

So what if someone confines Satguru only in Sargun? As you said sargun is permanent.

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So what if someone confines Satguru only in Sargun? As you said sargun is permanent.

There is difference between sargun in sidhant being permanent eventually folding itself in nirgun non transcedental form and individual consciousness making it permanent, when individual consciousness makes it permanent its creates an road block or an desire to be in realm of sargun . Hence, creating hindrance for itself to raise awareness from sargun to nirgun in his/her spiritual development and also not to mention contary to satguru ultimate updesh of eternal shabad and gyan updesh- real self- non transcedental pure awareness consciousness bliss- ikongkar..!!

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There is difference between sargun in sidhant being permanent eventually folding itself in nirgun non transcedental form and individual consciousness making it permanent, when individual consciousness makes it permanent its creates an road block or an desire to be in realm of sargun . Hence, creating hindrance for itself to raise awareness from sargun to nirgun in his/her spiritual development and also not to mention contary to satguru ultimate updesh on raising awareness to eternal shabad and eventually into gyan- real self- non transcedental pure awareness consciousness bliss- ikongkar..!!

Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji focused on Sargun as permanent and he was united with Akal Purakh. Bhagat ji did not face no hindrance. Infact after devoting himself to Sargun, Maharaj blessed him with seeing Maharaj, where no one else could see him.

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In a different thread you pointed out that Nirgun means non existence. How can Nirgun mean non existence, when Satguru says.......Ik Onkar?

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