Sikhs Of West And Punjabi Language - Why Nobody Talk About It?

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

Hebrew was a dead language meaning it was only used for religious purposes and was not an everyday spoken language. A conscious effort was made to resurrect Hebrew into an everyday spoken language in Israel. This was successful, and  all Jews now wanting to settle permanently in Israel have to study Hebrew as part of the settlement process.  

Hebrew I think was not even common amongst Jews during the Roman occupation as they spoke Aramaic. 

So it was probably a dead language for more than 2000 years. 

I guess Hebrew was the unifying factor in the influx of the diverse Jewish diaspora back to Israel.

I think a lot of people are of the opinion that the Jews in Israel come from East Europe. But a lot of them came from Middle East and North Africa. In fact the Mizrahi  (the Jews of the middle east/ north africa) are the majority in Israel.

When Israel was formed, the East European Jews (Ashkenazi ) and Mizrahi never mixed.

 

[Ranjeet01]

56 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Part of the same mentality that includes dropping kids off at Punjabi school on the weekend for 15 years of their life, and then wondering where it all went wrong when said kids end up marrying whites or blacks after university. The parents seem to think the kids just being in those "religious" buildings will somehow impart the necessary knowledge and values. That's not how it works at all, and it's something I'm still hearing from people of my age who are starting to drop their kids off at Saturday / Sunday school while undertaking virtually next to nothing themselves in the home.

Punjabi learnt by Sikhs born in the west is predominantly learnt from the grandparents.

However, now that the grandparents are going to be English speaking Generation X/latter boomers that is not going to be the case.

The problem with parents is that they think that the kids will speak Punjabi in Punjabi school whereas they are only learning to read/write Punjabi. 

That is where the "crux" is, it is the SPEAKING.

The prime place where there might be an opportunity to speak Punjabi is Punjab.

If people don't want to do that, then they should go to Surrey in Canada to learn to speak Punjabi.

[proudkaur21]

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Punjabi learnt by Sikhs born in the west is predominantly learnt from the grandparents.

However, now that the grandparents are going to be English speaking Generation X/latter boomers that is not going to be the case.

The problem with parents is that they think that the kids will speak Punjabi in Punjabi school whereas they are only learning to read/write Punjabi. 

That is where the "crux" is, it is the SPEAKING.

The prime place where there might be an opportunity to speak Punjabi is Punjab.

If people don't want to do that, then they should go to Surrey in Canada to learn to speak Punjabi.

jews preserved their language through centuries of persecution and these white wannabee punjabis give it up to gain proximity to whiteness and then they wonder why people think they have inferiority complex. And then comparing yourself to jews? This has to be a joke.

[JSinghnz]

23 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Punjabi learnt by Sikhs born in the west is predominantly learnt from the grandparents.

However, now that the grandparents are going to be English speaking Generation X/latter boomers that is not going to be the case.

The problem with parents is that they think that the kids will speak Punjabi in Punjabi school whereas they are only learning to read/write Punjabi. 

That is where the "crux" is, it is the SPEAKING.

The prime place where there might be an opportunity to speak Punjabi is Punjab.

If people don't want to do that, then they should go to Surrey in Canada to learn to speak Punjabi.

The mother( parents) have to teach their mother language to their children, that's why it is called mother language, not the grandparents.

The prime place where there is an opportunity to speak Punjabi is one's house where PARENTS are proud of their mother language and teach it to their children.

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

jews preserved their language through centuries of persecution and these white wannabee punjabis give it up to gain proximity to whiteness and then they wonder why people think they have inferiority complex. And then comparing yourself to jews? This has to be a joke.

Jews never used Hebrew as a spoken language. They spoke Yiddish, Ladino or other languages. 

Even in the times of Jesus like I mentioned before they spoke Aramaic. 

Hebrew was used specifically for religious rites. 

[proudkaur21]

2 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Jews never used Hebrew as a spoken language. They spoke Yiddish, Ladino or other languages. 

Even in the times of Jesus like I mentioned before they spoke Aramaic. 

Hebrew was used specifically for religious rites. 

But they have preserved hebrew since ancient times. Im not talking about just using it as language of communication. It was the language that was used for their religion just like how ours is written in punjabi.

[Premi5]

14 hours ago, JSinghnz said:

Lots of parents from self respecting communities make their children speak their mother language but most Punjabis are ashamed of their own language and hence don't teach it to their kids.

I think many Africans in the UK don't teach their kids languages like Yoruba or Igbo 

10 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Always use Hanji however noticed my cousins down south just use Ji, don't know if its a big issue.

Really ? 'Han' I can understand, 'ji' is more a Hindi/Urdu thing , no ?

[Ranjeet01]

24 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

But they have preserved hebrew since ancient times. Im not talking about just using it as language of communication. It was the language that was used for their religion just like how ours is written in punjabi.

Gurmukhi not Punjabi.

[proudkaur21]

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

Gurmukhi not Punjabi.

Gurmukhi is the script though the language is (purattan) punjabi with influnce from a few other languages.

[Redoptics]

27 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I think many Africans in the UK don't teach their kids languages like Yoruba or Igbo 

Really ? 'Han' I can understand, 'ji' is more a Hindi/Urdu thing , no ?

Yeah for some reason they always said Ji, I don't know they might of got gangster with what up G haha