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Why did the newspaper draw a picture of mohammed? How would us sikhs feel if derogatory pictures of our gurus was drawn? Why did the newspaper target muslims?

this satirical newspaper has mocked political and religious figures since the time of Marie Antoinette i.e. over two hundred years ...its just their thing usually for corrupt practices. To be honest they wouldn't have any material to admonish our Gurus on , they were humanitarians , non-predjudicial, pro-free speech .

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The paper regularly targets the Jewish and Catholic community. yet they didn't react in this way.

the majority of christians there are catholic , and there are a sizable amount of jewish people settled , the difference being they are secure enough mentally with their beliefs to not feel so threatened by a cartoonist , I think that you should be able to cope with criticism rationally as a thinking adult.

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If it wasn't cartoons, there would be some other reason for the attacks.

I have seen pictures of Ganesh (elephant god) and Buddha with Jesus in compromising positions but there has not been any outrage from Christians, Buddhists or Hindus.

The two brothers who were behind this attack were known to the security and intelligence agencies.

The thing about the west is that nothing is really sacred, everything is under scrutiny and they will take the p***. Islam has been on the offensive in the west for the past few decades, the more it places itself into the public eye the more they will be scrutinised and satirised in the west.

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You're not looking at things objectively jkvlondon. Also, you don't seem to be in possession of the full facts.

Firstly, Muslims....like us Sikhs...do not take kindly to their prophet being depicted in any form. Christians and Jews have no such issue - their faith encorages depiction of their prophets - but those Christians should be mature, intellient and understanding enough to appreciate how such an issue is a gigantic issue with both Muslims AND Sikhs.

Secondly, what the mainsteam media is to some extent witholding from us is what those 'cartoons' actually entailed. They say the word 'cartoon' knowing it conjures up innocent tom and jerry type images in our minds. The fact is, when Muslims started to complain about the drawings the magazine deliberately went one step further....some might say a step way too far....and the latest installment of the magazine depicted Mohammed with his genitalia hanging out erect having sexual liasions with all sorts of women.

Whilst absolutely none of us would condone the horrific murder that took place one has to look at things objectively and conclude that this 'free speech' mantra being repeated by the public must have its limits. Free speech should not mean the freedom to wilfully and deliberately hurt and destroy the very essence of others' beings simply because their belief is alien to yours.

the original offence I remember was some years back , and satirists are known to go for the throat... the thing is yes both Muslims and Sikhs are not tolerant of offence on their Founders but the huge gap of time and the fact that the world's muslims didn't complain as much as they did against the scandinavian cartoon seems to make me think this was not a big deal originally and has now become one.

I know this publication has a very rude,purile,irreverent take on everything they do I mean they were scatching in their critcism of Marie Antoinette even though the risks were great.

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You're not looking at things objectively jkvlondon. Also, you don't seem to be in possession of the full facts.

Firstly, Muslims....like us Sikhs...do not take kindly to their prophet being depicted in any form. Christians and Jews have no such issue - their faith encorages depiction of their prophets - but those Christians should be mature, intellient and understanding enough to appreciate how such an issue is a gigantic issue with both Muslims AND Sikhs.

Secondly, what the mainsteam media is to some extent witholding from us is what those 'cartoons' actually entailed. They say the word 'cartoon' knowing it conjures up innocent tom and jerry type images in our minds. The fact is, when Muslims started to complain about the drawings the magazine deliberately went one step further....some might say a step way too far....and the latest installment of the magazine depicted Mohammed with his genitalia hanging out erect having sexual liasions with all sorts of women.

Whilst absolutely none of us would condone the horrific murder that took place one has to look at things objectively and conclude that this 'free speech' mantra being repeated by the public must have its limits. Free speech should not mean the freedom to wilfully and deliberately hurt and destroy the very essence of others' beings simply because their belief is alien to yours.

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Jagsaw Singh, spot on! It's easy for us Sikhs to say we would of reacted better, however it wasn't our prophet and if it was, I'm sure many a sikh would see red.

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If it wasn't cartoons, there would be some other reason for the attacks.

I have seen pictures of Ganesh (elephant god) and Buddha with Jesus in compromising positions but there has not been any outrage from Christians, Buddhists or Hindus.

The two brothers who were behind this attack were known to the security and intelligence agencies.

The thing about the west is that nothing is really sacred, everything is under scrutiny and they will take the p***. Islam has been on the offensive in the west for the past few decades, the more it places itself into the public eye the more they will be scrutinised and satirised in the west.

But I just told you...and I said it very clearly....how Christianity and Hinduism is not only OK with physically depicting their 'gods' and prophets, they actively encourage it.

Sikhism....and Islam....on the other hand, most certainly does NOT.

Its about respect. Respet for one another. They respect our beliefs and we respect theirs.

So let me ask you and jkvlondon this question : Are you honestly saying you'd support our Guru ji being depicted in the same disgusting way ?

If not, why are you being a hypocrite and applauding the hurt the Muslim feels in place of you ?

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