Cartoon Shooting France

[mrggg123 129]

Why did the newspaper draw a picture of mohammed? How would us sikhs feel if derogatory pictures of our gurus was drawn? Why did the newspaper target muslims?

[jkvlondon 5,001]

Why did the newspaper draw a picture of mohammed? How would us sikhs feel if derogatory pictures of our gurus was drawn? Why did the newspaper target muslims?

this satirical newspaper has mocked political and religious figures since the time of Marie Antoinette i.e. over two hundred years ...its just their thing usually for corrupt practices. To be honest they wouldn't have any material to admonish our Gurus on , they were humanitarians , non-predjudicial, pro-free speech .

[hsingh8963 371]

Sikhs wouldn't go off and mass murder. There were so many other options.

[DailyMail 315]

The paper regularly targets the Jewish and Catholic community. yet they didn't react in this way.

[jkvlondon 5,001]

The paper regularly targets the Jewish and Catholic community. yet they didn't react in this way.

the majority of christians there are catholic , and there are a sizable amount of jewish people settled , the difference being they are secure enough mentally with their beliefs to not feel so threatened by a cartoonist , I think that you should be able to cope with criticism rationally as a thinking adult.

[JagsawSingh 860]

the majority of christians there are catholic , and there are a sizable amount of jewish people settled , the difference being they are secure enough mentally with their beliefs to not feel so threatened by a cartoonist , I think that you should be able to cope with criticism rationally as a thinking adult.

You're not looking at things objectively jkvlondon. Also, you don't seem to be in possession of the full facts.

Firstly, Muslims....like us Sikhs...do not take kindly to their prophet being depicted in any form. Christians and Jews have no such issue - their faith encorages depiction of their prophets - but those Christians should be mature, intellient and understanding enough to appreciate how such an issue is a gigantic issue with both Muslims AND Sikhs.

Secondly, what the mainsteam media is to some extent witholding from us is what those 'cartoons' actually entailed. They say the word 'cartoon' knowing it conjures up innocent tom and jerry type images in our minds. The fact is, when Muslims started to complain about the drawings the magazine deliberately went one step further....some might say a step way too far....and the latest installment of the magazine depicted Mohammed with his genitalia hanging out erect having sexual liasions with all sorts of women.

Whilst absolutely none of us would condone the horrific murder that took place one has to look at things objectively and conclude that this 'free speech' mantra being repeated by the public must have its limits. Free speech should not mean the freedom to wilfully and deliberately hurt and destroy the very essence of others' beings simply because their belief is alien to yours.

[Ranjeet01 1,597]

If it wasn't cartoons, there would be some other reason for the attacks.

I have seen pictures of Ganesh (elephant god) and Buddha with Jesus in compromising positions but there has not been any outrage from Christians, Buddhists or Hindus.

The two brothers who were behind this attack were known to the security and intelligence agencies.

The thing about the west is that nothing is really sacred, everything is under scrutiny and they will take the p***. Islam has been on the offensive in the west for the past few decades, the more it places itself into the public eye the more they will be scrutinised and satirised in the west.

[jkvlondon 5,001]

You're not looking at things objectively jkvlondon. Also, you don't seem to be in possession of the full facts.

Firstly, Muslims....like us Sikhs...do not take kindly to their prophet being depicted in any form. Christians and Jews have no such issue - their faith encorages depiction of their prophets - but those Christians should be mature, intellient and understanding enough to appreciate how such an issue is a gigantic issue with both Muslims AND Sikhs.

Secondly, what the mainsteam media is to some extent witholding from us is what those 'cartoons' actually entailed. They say the word 'cartoon' knowing it conjures up innocent tom and jerry type images in our minds. The fact is, when Muslims started to complain about the drawings the magazine deliberately went one step further....some might say a step way too far....and the latest installment of the magazine depicted Mohammed with his genitalia hanging out erect having sexual liasions with all sorts of women.

Whilst absolutely none of us would condone the horrific murder that took place one has to look at things objectively and conclude that this 'free speech' mantra being repeated by the public must have its limits. Free speech should not mean the freedom to wilfully and deliberately hurt and destroy the very essence of others' beings simply because their belief is alien to yours.

the original offence I remember was some years back , and satirists are known to go for the throat... the thing is yes both Muslims and Sikhs are not tolerant of offence on their Founders but the huge gap of time and the fact that the world's muslims didn't complain as much as they did against the scandinavian cartoon seems to make me think this was not a big deal originally and has now become one.

I know this publication has a very rude,purile,irreverent take on everything they do I mean they were scatching in their critcism of Marie Antoinette even though the risks were great.

[sikhiseeker 253]

You're not looking at things objectively jkvlondon. Also, you don't seem to be in possession of the full facts.

Firstly, Muslims....like us Sikhs...do not take kindly to their prophet being depicted in any form. Christians and Jews have no such issue - their faith encorages depiction of their prophets - but those Christians should be mature, intellient and understanding enough to appreciate how such an issue is a gigantic issue with both Muslims AND Sikhs.

Secondly, what the mainsteam media is to some extent witholding from us is what those 'cartoons' actually entailed. They say the word 'cartoon' knowing it conjures up innocent tom and jerry type images in our minds. The fact is, when Muslims started to complain about the drawings the magazine deliberately went one step further....some might say a step way too far....and the latest installment of the magazine depicted Mohammed with his genitalia hanging out erect having sexual liasions with all sorts of women.

Whilst absolutely none of us would condone the horrific murder that took place one has to look at things objectively and conclude that this 'free speech' mantra being repeated by the public must have its limits. Free speech should not mean the freedom to wilfully and deliberately hurt and destroy the very essence of others' beings simply because their belief is alien to yours.

WJKK WJKF

Jagsaw Singh, spot on! It's easy for us Sikhs to say we would of reacted better, however it wasn't our prophet and if it was, I'm sure many a sikh would see red.

[JagsawSingh 860]

If it wasn't cartoons, there would be some other reason for the attacks.

I have seen pictures of Ganesh (elephant god) and Buddha with Jesus in compromising positions but there has not been any outrage from Christians, Buddhists or Hindus.

The two brothers who were behind this attack were known to the security and intelligence agencies.

The thing about the west is that nothing is really sacred, everything is under scrutiny and they will take the p***. Islam has been on the offensive in the west for the past few decades, the more it places itself into the public eye the more they will be scrutinised and satirised in the west.

But I just told you...and I said it very clearly....how Christianity and Hinduism is not only OK with physically depicting their 'gods' and prophets, they actively encourage it.

Sikhism....and Islam....on the other hand, most certainly does NOT.

Its about respect. Respet for one another. They respect our beliefs and we respect theirs.

So let me ask you and jkvlondon this question : Are you honestly saying you'd support our Guru ji being depicted in the same disgusting way ?

If not, why are you being a hypocrite and applauding the hurt the Muslim feels in place of you ?

[Ranjeet01 1,597]

Jagsaw

I am sure that Christianity and Hinduism would not be OK for Jesus and Ganesh being depicted in the way they were ( in certain positions) even if they allow their images to be.

The thing is Jagsaw, the west has no respect for anything not even for themselves. The more Islamic terrorism there is, the more grooming and gang rapes that are occuring, the more bragging about how Islam is the fastest growing religion and how Europe is going to be muslim in thirty years and the feeling how some of the western values are disrespected, do you really believe that the west will respect Islam or the prophet Mohammed.

I would not like our Gurus to be depicted in the same way but we are not going for world domination.

[jkvlondon 5,001]

But I just told you...and I said it very clearly....how Christianity and Hinduism is not only OK with physically depicting their 'gods' and prophets, they actively encourage it.

Sikhism....and Islam....on the other hand, most certainly does NOT.

Its about respect. Respet for one another. They respect our beliefs and we respect theirs.

So let me ask you and jkvlondon this question : Are you honestly saying you'd support our Guru ji being depicted in the same disgusting way ?

If not, why are you being a hypocrite and applauding the hurt the Muslim feels in place of you ?

I would be hurt sure , and so are many of my muslim bretheren but violence is never the first go-to for us we give three chances as Taught to us by our Guru ji then when all means have failed then the sword is taken in hand ... did they sue the publication ...no did they protest outside their offices ..no then what methods did they try before violence

[DailyMail 315]

Remember, the west (or Europe, at least) believes that religion is there to be ridiculed. They, the west, have every right to offend. You, the muslim/Sikh/Jew etc - have every right to be offended. They themselves acknowledge this much.

Freedom of speech is limited by law: we can't be racist, libellous, defamatory etc - there are laws in place (in the UK). Therefore, freedom of expression in it's entirety is not guaranteed.

On the other hand, we have films like The Life of Brian, banned by most local authorities in the UK for 25 years.

It's a difficult balancing act.

Just to top it off, for those from the UK, thanks to protection from the race relations act 1976, Sikhs and Jews are protected by law from such insults anyway. No other faith group has such protection.

[S1ngh 1,686]

It is verysickening and absolutely disgusting and misuse of freedom of speech to draw such awfull drawings and publishing millions of copies. Plus they 100% know for sure that their act will offend certain communities in millions. This should not be allowed at all in any country.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

We should acknowledge other things in France, first we should remember that Sikhs saved the French in WWI and WWII, how does the French Government repay this debt? By making Turbans illegal in most sources of identification. Is this anyway to repay those who risked their lives to save a nation on the other side of the world? DON'T TRUST THESE PEOPLE! They will backstab you.