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But if I was ugly and my wife was ugly it would be totally reasonable and logical for some others to suggest my children might end up as circus freaks.

I wish your family and children well but I hope that your wife is teaching them not to judge a book by its outer cover but upon the basis of its contents. Similarly, I hope that your wife is teaching your children to respect those whose deeds are better more, rather than those who just look good. Sikhs should never insult any innocent human as "ugly" imho.

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I wish your family and children well but I hope that your wife is teaching them not to judge a book by its outer cover but upon the basis of its contents. Similarly, I hope that your wife is teaching your children to respect those whose deeds are better more, rather than those who just look good. Sikhs should never insult any innocent human as "ugly" imho.

I spent my whole life saying "never judge a book by it's cover".

I always said it and, ultimately, thats how I lost my job...as the chairman of the British Book Cover competition panel. They said I wasn't suitable for the job.

It was a harsh lesson but I should have learned from my dad's experience. All his life he always used to say "judge not...lest you be judged first". He always said it. And....ultimately, thats how he lost he job..... as a District Judge.

To be fair though, they should never have given him the job in the first place. A simple background check would have revealed he was never capable of judging anyone unless, of course, they judged him first but...of course, that would have made a mockery of the justice system as we know it so lets leave my own and my dad's experience out of it for a moment. Lets just examine the evidence: You're accusing me of racism against the man because he is black. Well, let me state right now that a good looking black man is as good looking as they get but like all races there are good looking people and then there are ugly looking people. The groom in question (and you can ask any black person for a second opinion) most definately does not qualify as one of the cool good looking black guys. And so we're on to the bride. I know for a fact that it costs upwards of $1000 to do that professional bridal make-up she did for that photo.

Now, think about it....When you look like THAT after paying someone $1000 to make you beautifull how hideous must you look on an average normal day ?

The evidence is all there bruvs. Don't shoot the messenger. We all know how beautiful and angelic she would have looked if she shuck'ed Amrit and wore a dastar. My god, look at her photo again and imagine her with a dastar. Beautifull. Truly beautifull.

Its not my fault she's gone down the kaljug route only to find she's on the ugly end of the beauty scale in kaljug town. But, seeing how she chooses to live in kaljug town....I will respect her opinion and treat her like a kaljug town dweller.

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Careful how you speak about our sisters.

Just because she is punjabi does not mean she is my sister.. A Christian woman is the same to me as this punjabi...

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There is a gurdwara in Southall carrying out Anand Kharaj to a Sikh boy to his Muslim girlfriend this month Saturday May 24th.

I had bought this to the attention of our Sanagt earlier last month which sparked an interesting debate. It surprised me the amount of private messages I received telling me that I was old fashioned and to "be in line with todays trend". I for obvious reason quite openly object to this and am finding it a very sad state of affairs that our gurdwaras have allowed this to happen.

I am still hoping with me are others who can turn these gurdwaras to see sense rather than the money

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There is a gurdwara in Southall carrying out Anand Kharaj to a Sikh boy to his Muslim girlfriend this month Saturday May 24th.

I had bought this to the attention of our Sanagt earlier last month which sparked an interesting debate. It surprised me the amount of private messages I received telling me that I was old fashioned and to "be in line with todays trend". I for obvious reason quite openly object to this and am finding it a very sad state of affairs that our gurdwaras have allowed this to happen.

I am still hoping with me are others who can turn these gurdwaras to see sense rather than the money

Yup, can't be hypocritical when it comes to something like this. If we object to Sikh females marrying Muslims then we can't be silent when Sikh guys marry Muslim girls. The argument is " Well the kids will be Sikh." Lmao, have you seen the lily-livered state of Sikh males today? The phrase, "putting your foot down" is alien to most guys these days. I won't hold my breath in anticipation of the kids of these marriages adhering to Sikh tenets. Never say never, but the odds are stacked against such an occurrence.

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Yup, can't be hypocritical when it comes to something like this. If we object to Sikh females marrying Muslims then we can't be silent when Sikh guys marry Muslim girls. The argument is " Well the kids will be Sikh." Lmao, have you seen the lily-livered state of Sikh males today? The phrase, "putting your foot down" is alien to most guys these days. I won't hold my breath in anticipation of the kids of these marriages adhering to Sikh tenets. Never say never, but the odds are stacked against such an occurrence.

Oh think you may have me wrong pal.....i object to it both ways....sikh guys with muslim girls in Gurdwara and sikh girls with muslim boys in gurdwara....IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ANAND KARAJ FULL STOP,.

My point was gurdwaras have become a business.....very very very sadly that is fact. But to me it is rubbing our historys noses in it.

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Oh think you may have me wrong pal.....i object to it both ways....sikh guys with muslim girls in Gurdwara and sikh girls with muslim boys in gurdwara....IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ANAND KARAJ FULL STOP,.

My point was gurdwaras have become a business.....very very very sadly that is fact. But to me it is rubbing our historys noses in it.

I agree with you, bro. I was just making a point.

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That's different because Sikhism is literally from India.. almost all 'Sikh' names in India existed even before Sikhi so naming your child with Indian names doesn't mean anything.

Literally almost every Sikh name has existed before Sikhi, so it doesn't matter.. you can't really compare it like that. Gobind/Angad/Krishan/Amar/Ram etc have been names for Hindu children even before our religion existed.. so you can't really say that there are 'Hindu' names or 'Sikh' names, they are Indian names.

I'm not sure you understand how Sikhs are suppose to be named. Bhai Randhir's Singh original name was Basant Singh, but he changed it after Guru Sahib did so when he did Amrit Chackna.

That's different because Sikhism is literally from India.. almost all 'Sikh' names in India existed even before Sikhi so naming your child with Indian names doesn't mean anything.

Literally almost every Sikh name has existed before Sikhi, so it doesn't matter.. you can't really compare it like that. Gobind/Angad/Krishan/Amar/Ram etc have been names for Hindu children even before our religion existed.. so you can't really say that there are 'Hindu' names or 'Sikh' names, they are Indian names.

I'm not sure you understand how Sikhs are suppose to be named. Bhai Randhir's Singh original name was Basant Singh, but he changed it after Guru Sahib did so when he did Amrit Chackna.

That's different because Sikhism is literally from India.. almost all 'Sikh' names in India existed even before Sikhi so naming your child with Indian names doesn't mean anything.

Literally almost every Sikh name has existed before Sikhi, so it doesn't matter.. you can't really compare it like that. Gobind/Angad/Krishan/Amar/Ram etc have been names for Hindu children even before our religion existed.. so you can't really say that there are 'Hindu' names or 'Sikh' names, they are Indian names.

I'm not sure you understand how Sikhs are suppose to be named. Bhai Randhir's Singh original name was Basant Singh, but he changed it after Guru Sahib did so when he did Amrit Chackna.

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That's different because Sikhism is literally from India.. almost all 'Sikh' names in India existed even before Sikhi so naming your child with Indian names doesn't mean anything.

Literally almost every Sikh name has existed before Sikhi, so it doesn't matter.. you can't really compare it like that. Gobind/Angad/Krishan/Amar/Ram etc have been names for Hindu children even before our religion existed.. so you can't really say that there are 'Hindu' names or 'Sikh' names, they are Indian names.

Quite literally, Preet, you might want to look up the definition of the word 'literally'. Then, and only then, move on to Sikh names such as Fateh (from Afghanistan), Zorowar (from Iran), Jarnail (from France), Karnail (from France), Bakthawar (from Afghanistan), Iqbal (from Arabia) etc etc

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Careful how you speak about our sisters.

Punjabi atheist slag is no sister of mine understand?

I only respect for Sikh sisters who marry Sikh men as Guru Ji has instructed them to not atheist punjaban slags who sleep with every dog under the sun and try to disgrace the gurdwara by trying to marry a non-sikh in the presence of Guru sahiban.

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Punjabi atheist slag is no sister of mine understand?

I only respect for Sikh sisters who marry Sikh men as Guru Ji has instructed them to not atheist punjaban slags who sleep with every dog under the sun and try to disgrace the gurdwara by trying to marry a non-sikh in the presence of Guru sahiban.

Calm down bro.

ਨਾਨਕ ਫਿਕੈ ਬੋਲਿਐ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਫਿਕਾ ਹੋਇ ॥

Naanak Fikai Boliai Than Man Fikaa Hoe ||

O Nanak, speaking bitter words, the body and mind become bitter.

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1. Yup, can't be hypocritical when it comes to something like this.

2. If we object to Sikh females marrying Muslims then we can't be silent when Sikh guys marry Muslim girls.

3. The argument is " Well the kids will be Sikh."

4. Lmao, have you seen the lily-livered state of Sikh males today? The phrase, "putting your foot down" is alien to most guys these days.

5. I won't hold my breath in anticipation of the kids of these marriages adhering to Sikh tenets.

6. Never say never, but the odds are stacked against such an occurrence.

Big fan of your posts Paji but in this instance, just wanted to put forward a slight counterpoint.

1 = There is no hypocrisy from us (as Sikhs) as Islam espouses the inferiority and maltreatment of women whereas Sikhi emphasises total gender equality and respect for women as basics. Thus it is clear to me why one way traffic in relation to this is not hypocritical.

2 = The so-called Muslim girls become Sikh upon bowing down before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and are in fact being libereated from one man's ideology which thought that wife beating, sexual enslavement, marital rape are all ok (in Islam).

3 = Exactly, that's what it's all about Paji. The exclusion method guarantees the demographic oblivion of Sikh Diaspora populations within a couple of generations. But via engagement and interaction with other Sangat, the Sikh population can flourish as opposed to declining.

4 = That's a thing for individual guys but a male who is made to realise what Sikhi stands for would want the same for his children. I think one of the key ways to do this is by making sure Sikh children are involved in mandatory voluntary seva for the wider community as once they get it about "Sarbat da Bhala" (the welfare of all humanity) they would understand how vital it is that Sikhi flourishes as the more Sikhs, the more we can do collectively to make the world a better place.

5+6 = Agree with why you feel that but via the current method proposed by some (exclusion and alienation of the couple) it guarantees that they and their children and consequent future generations cut all links from Sikhi completely resulting in a smaller and smaller Sikh Diaspora population year after year. The other viewpoint as seen in the heyday of the Singh Sabha era resulted in rapid growth of the Sikh community. So you would often have two erstwhile non-Sikhs being blessed with Anand Karaj and consequently becoming Sikhs themselves (for anyone that bows down before Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is a Sikh by puratan definition) and raising their kids as Sikhs as well with the interaction, love and engagement from the Sangat being critical to the whole process. My family were non-Sikhs until the 20th century and I'm Sikh today as a consequence of the far sighted thinking that Giani Ditt Singh Ji initiated through the Singh Sabha movement. When I hear about Gurdwara lockouts and alienation of couples where the spouse is from a non-Muslim background I find it very upsetting that we are not accepting reality (and thinking of how best to deal with it for the Panth's positive benefit now and in the future) but retreat to a position which actually will result in the obvious decrease of our population in years to come. To me it's a no-brainer.

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@DTF - Salient points, brother, without a doubt. I'm just a bit cynical. I hope I'm proven wrong. It's too easy to get drawn into a negative state of mind when it comes to these issues I suppose. It's just that not many, if anybody, seems to be bucking these trends. In fact things seems to be getting progressively worse on all fronts.

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@MisterSingh, i hear you Paji.

I think your point about things getting progressively worse year after year is exactly what it's all about. As the same applies in relation to the problems of alcohol, drugs, infanticide, illiteracy, biraderi, cancer and poverty as all those social indices have worsened since 1984. So we can either throw in the towel or we can look at every single problem as an opportunity to make the Sikh Panth stronger going forward.

So more and more people marry those of other backgrounds which is inevitable for a 1% minority. So instead of alienation and digging our own demographic grave we should look at that as an opportunity that with the right interaction and engagement with the couple from Sangat and their local Gurdwara we can build a bigger, stronger and more diverse Sikh Panth going forwards in the future and realising the importance of Sikh population numbers by looking for every reason to include people in the Panth rather than to exclude them (as our opponents want us to do). This also has huge relevance in the importance of defining sehajdhari's of non-Punjabi (and now commonly called HP) backgrounds who bow down before Maharaj as in fact being Sikhs as they were prior to 1950 (for example Kabirpanthi's, Sanatani's and Jatavs as easy examples numbering close to 70million "Sikhs" that the Nehru-Gandhi Empire cleverly got defined away as non-Sikhs in 1950 due to their sehajdhari background ... as our opponents feared what a 100million strong Sikh Panth population could achieve for equality in society and an end to their corruption).

Sikhi is Universal and an unopposable Truth as everything stands up to scrutiny.

So the answers are straight there.

Alcohol - we need to make it uncool in Punjabi culture, restrict the sale of it, increase alcohol detox centres and stop all the new outlets. Badal Dal won't do that with Majithia's hand in the distribution so come 2017 AAP might end it.

Drugs - We need a Khalsa Fauj on the border stopping drugs coming in from Pakistan and also vigilante forces in every village to prevent the wholesale proliferation of drugs. If people have no meaning or motivation in their life (junkies) there is so much seva they can be directed towards in order to change their perspective a little. We won't succeed in every case but we can do our best.

Infanticide is a self-inflicted Genocide that is far worse than occasional outbreaks of Beadbi (which is a ruse by our opponents so that we take our eyes off the real problems that urgently need addressing). We are all too ready to fight each other at the drop of a hat so why can't we easily unite to put the abortion clinics out of business (vigilante style).

Biraderi and apartheid run Gurdwara's are a no brainer. We should have only one single united Gurdwara in every pind and locality in India and the West. United we stand and divided we fall. Prior to the 2021 census we need to make this a reality (otherwise Sikhs could fall below 50% in Punjab) and we in the West need to lead the way by attacking biraderi discrimination and matrimonial apartheid if we genuinely want to see United Sangat Gurdwara's everywhere.

Illiteracy, cancer and poverty are social problems that primarily need our Sangat money poured in to in order to make a difference. The more schools, hospitals and social programs we can voluntarily create the stronger the Panth will be.

So instead of worrying about how much gold we are going to adorn on some domed roof or how many millions we are going to extravagantly spend on new buildings we need to direct a greater proportion of the funds towards education of children. Sikhi comes from the heart rather than based upon how flash some building is.

To that effect I would encourage anybody who agrees to support and other organisations making a real difference:

http://barusahib.org/

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