Not2Cool2Argue 955 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's ok bro, but for others to read, I will say the Sarbat Khalsa will essentially still include the same common villagers that go vote in SGPC elections. What says they wont go show their support for Badal at a Sarbat Khalsa? My point is, don't blame the system, blame us as a people. We also have to accept that SAD has a ton of support in Punjab, the strong dislike them for is mostly a diaspora phenemenon.Thats why first step is to build sarbat khalsa.California had a sarbat khalsa CA meeting and #4 mata was passed to create a sarbat khalsa organization. If we just start a organization then get ppl to join in, it will be failure. So we are trying to start a grassroots movement then when we have enough ppl we can be organization. So at nagarkirtans n gurudware we r trying to get ppl to donate n sign up for sarbat khalsa. We need their contact # so if kaum needs to mobilize we can quickly access a database n get everyone. We need donations so we can do parchaar in pends in india, build schools n hospitals to counteract christians n radhasoamis n MOST importantly to change politics in punjab. This will be done by sending ppl from West to stand up in elections in punjab and we will buy votes of the ppl of punjab by good works. Or we can choose good punjabis to run and have them follow our dictates. Then once we have win CM position we can choose jathedaar n change SGPC laws. Also we can get sgpc budget, imagine how much seva can be done with that budget! So we, sarbat khalsa has to become third party in punjab, without formally being a party. So we can only change punjab through politics n long term n through voting system. So everyone try to start a branch of sarbat khalsa in ur country or local area n try at least go to ur own pends n put CCtV cameras in gurudware to stop beadbi. Then u can start more parchaar or schools or support shaheed parivaars or poor sikhs or watever is needed and finally set up ur own candidate n try to win/buy votes. So lets get together, lets start doing things. Cuz im sure the sarbat khalsa meeting on November 10 is gonna accomplish nothing....so start ur own branches of sarbat khalsa then when there are alot more we can try to make global sarbat khalsa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not2Cool2Argue 955 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Also it doesnt make sense to make someone whose in prison a jathedar. He will not be accessible n whenever the govt feels like it they can move him so we would have to keep chasing him and nothing would get done. Also great post by Khoon. If we kick out badal, congress will win!! N believe it or not they r worse than badal! Not only is it shameful to elect them considering history but also we as sikhs will have no sway over them as we sort of do with badal. So now that badal n party are almost totally discredited. We must do all.to ensure congress does not win. It will ruthlessly suppress any protests, will not care about sikh issues. Which badal atleast has to pretend to care avout as he is supposed to be the.panthic sikh party... Also just changing jathedaars might not matter when all power is in CM or SGPC hands.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarStriker 1,062 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Also it doesnt make sense to make someone whose in prison a jathedar. He will not be accessible n whenever the govt feels like it they can move him so we would have to keep chasing him and nothing would get done. Also great post by Khoon. If we kick out badal, congress will win!! N believe it or not they r worse than badal! Not only is it shameful to elect them considering history but also we as sikhs will have no sway over them as we sort of do with badal. So now that badal n party are almost totally discredited. We must do all.to ensure congress does not win. It will ruthlessly suppress any protests, will not care about sikh issues. Which badal atleast has to pretend to care avout as he is supposed to be the.panthic sikh party... Also just changing jathedaars might not matter when all power is in CM or SGPC hands.... Go and look the state election results from 2014, AAP won more votes than congress. AAP is much better party to vote for than, the cr@ppy congress and the communist drug lord akali dal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lsingh 752 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Congress is a finished party and split between several leaders. They are also discredited in Punjab. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JagsawSingh 860 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's ok bro, but for others to read, I will say the Sarbat Khalsa will essentially still include the same common villagers that go vote in SGPC elections. What says they wont go show their support for Badal at a Sarbat Khalsa? There was a message or two from me, which was not read by many, in which I articulated my experience of being in rural Punjab during 2 different elections. I told you guys how the decision of who to vote for ALWAYS boils downs to these 3 points: Which local candidate is promising a pakki shadk (paved road) to their fields Free bijli for the farmers Intimidation - i.e there is not actually any free will involved in elections in Punjab. In fact, election time in rural Punjab is traditionaly the most violent time when scores of people in each village die. Through intimidation and threats of violence, people are forced to vote for a particular party andd the election stations themselves are jam packed with violent supporters looking over your shoulder making sure you tick the box they want you to The solution then, for we the Sikhs, is to use our collective sant-sipai strength. Firstly, with seva improve rural punjab by collectively helping each other and building paved roads. In fact, each of those paracharaks on the poll here live in giant rich houses and drive around in mega expensive jeeps so one of them alone could make a good start if his heart was truly in the right place. Secondly, use our collective diaspora education and strength to embark on a massive eco-friendly solar power programme for rural Punjab. And thirdly, most importantly, use our collective strength as warriors to stop the intimidation, protect the people from voting intimidation, and ensure everyone is allowed to vote using their own free will without anyone knowing or looking who they've voted for. We, as a people, are getting the kind of leaders we have shown ourselves to deserve. Until we change, our leaders won't too. None of the men on the poll are any different to whats come before because each of them (except Rajoana) has accumulated vast wealth on the back of Sikhi. We need a non-Punjabi, western Sikh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KhoonKaBadlaKhoon 797 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Go and look the state election results from 2014, AAP won more votes than congress. AAP is much better party to vote for than, the cr@ppy congress and the communist drug lord akali dalThe AAP is showing some signs of slowing down, with so many people leaving (incl HS Phoolka), I used to be a fan, but theyre starting look incompetant and shady. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lsingh 752 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Kejriwal actually made payments to the 84 genocide victims and is doing something about getting justice. Puts him ahead of the others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkvlondon 6,856 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 I personally think it should be a Gora Amritdhari. Firstly, it will help in breaking Sikhi from the shackles of Punjabyat. Secondly, the jathedar will force all of us to evaluate whether or not many of the man-made blind rituals we follow are actually compatible with gurbani. most gorey are 3ho and thus tainted with RSS hindutva agenda...besides do they have the depth of experience/knowledge/loyalty necessary ? From most desi sikhs who have been in their close company there is a sense of superiority there . But I realise that there is an advantadge from the isolation from punjabiat traditions which taint pure sikhi , maybe Jathedar could be from NRI community also 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scali 303 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Definitely a non 3HO those are some confused Sikh folks. Yogi wanted to isolate them from the regular Sikhs so he put most of them in Espanola NM in the middle of nowhere. So he can control them. Also their summer and winter solstice events is another joke Kundilni and white tantric stuff nothing to with Sikhi. Sorry to be bashful but I need to speak up. Even if current followers know the Sikhi path they are too busy marketing it the wrong way with this yoga thing. Went to their camp this year saw KRI classes with scores international folks, followed by summer solstice. Can't really blame them looking at our current condition of so called Jathedars who want to sell out the KAUM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunny_love_kirtan 194 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 rajoana not in favour of black diwali https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11219696_1716094921958276_8162841762376156913_n.jpg?oh=0217369477db136ca9b2f3f46a956d79&oe=56BD0756 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkvlondon 6,856 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 rajoana not in favour of black diwali https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11219696_1716094921958276_8162841762376156913_n.jpg?oh=0217369477db136ca9b2f3f46a956d79&oe=56BD0756 well diwali is not anything to do with sikhi ...so I guess on that point I have to say black diwali is strange , but , the fact that sikhs for too long have taken up the hindu hols/festivals as their own so this is a good mental reset. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Bandi chor divas is a sikh festival. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkvlondon 6,856 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Bandi chor divas is a sikh festival. exactly We should be celebrating Bandi Chord diwas as it fitting for a Sikh to do so but ina sikh way with Paat and Karah not fireworks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaljinderSingh 857 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Bhai Ranjit Singh ji all the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JagsawSingh 860 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 rajoana not in favour of black diwali https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11219696_1716094921958276_8162841762376156913_n.jpg?oh=0217369477db136ca9b2f3f46a956d79&oe=56BD0756 Why ? What's his reasoning ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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