Did Khalistanis kill Chamkila! ?

[Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh]

So, farewell then, Chamkila.

You were just some bloke, who couldn't really hold a tune and had a very limited range of voice

And then, like everyone else in the world, you eventually died.

Not sure you knew - when you were alive 

That 40 years later in the middle of a worldwide pandemic 

Little immature Sikh children born in London and Toronto

Would think you were important enough to keep talking about

But it really doesn't matter now 

Because you're dead anyway

 

 

[Guest Harmanjot]

didn't he cheat on his real wife for that woman who sang with him

[Guest ChamkilaFan]

I'm one of his young and biggest fan. Some songs can seem dirty but Chamkila tried to correct himself and sing clean In my opinion, he waned to get into the industry (kinda like Eminem). He was under 30 when he died and I wasn't that mature at that age. 

[Guest death]

On 1/22/2018 at 9:37 PM, Guest who said:

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So i was wondering was it Khalistanis that killed Chamkila?

I don't think anyone has been arrested, i don,t even think there was an investigation!  but lots of people say it was khalistanis who did it because he used dirty lyrics etc

I have nothing against Khalistanis, but if it was them then wasn't the murder outside the realm of religion, politics, Sikhs being suppressed etc   

Killing a corrupt politician or any man in power who has murdered Sikhs is understandable, but a singer and his wife? ...

Killing someone is only the very last resort when all other resorts have failed. In self defence. 

[Premi5]

On 3/17/2020 at 9:59 PM, MisterrSingh said:

I don't know where you're from, but if that kind of carry on happened where my family are from, people would get battered. That's filth. A cheeky giggle among friends in hushed tones, perhaps, but not full-blown gandh and bukwaas. 

Absolutely

 

On 3/17/2020 at 2:48 PM, puzzled said:

Punjabi society is not and never has been prudish. apart from a few urban sikh circles the vast majority are not and never were prudish. Sex is everywhere in the pinds people do it outdoors in the fields, in the barns in front of the cows, in abandoned buildings, wherever they get a chance. In the old days when the wives used to go to the fields to drop of lunch for their husbands they used to have s3x behind the crops   its no secret!   iv been told how people did it anally in the old days when no contraception was available. average couple had 7 or 8 kids in the old days  you cant be prudish to have that many kids. 

today, in the pinds sex is openly spoken about, its common to walk through the pind and hear punjabi words for private parts shouted out loud. Men openly talk about having s3x with their wives and laughing and making jokes about it, iv had plenty of unpleasant experiences of having to listen to these conversations.  if 2 dogs are shagging men will stand there laughing cracking jokes about private parts.  iv had people openly share sexual jokes with me, they use local slang words so initially i dont understand but because they all would be laughing i know what they are talking about.   i once was walking though my nanke pind with a elderly man who works for us, we were going to the hatti to buy something and couple of young lads started saying to the elderly man that he should have a drink and that the number 9 will start working. i didnt know what number 9 meant i was only 14 yrs old! i then realized that if you flip number 9 to its side then it resembles and mans genitals!    these are regular conversations that you hear on a daily basis!  iv had a cousin tell me how if you tie a male goat up behind a wooden pen, that the male goat will break through the wooden pen to mate with the female goat!  lol       these are the "normal" regular conversations there. there is very little excess to porn yet they pretty much know about all the methods and positions and what not.  it actually becomes unbearable the amount of sexual conversations you hear, iv never been in such a sexually driven society.  and its always been like that.

a lot of pinds also has its illegitimate children, my mums cousin has a illegitimate son with a married chamar woman in the same pind. people there just dont know when to stop.  

the women are just as bad, iv never had a woman there say this stuff to me but my cousin sister from the UK has told me the many unpleasant conversations shes had to sit through with the women in Punjab. 

there is absolutely nothing prudish or ever been anything prudish about rural culture in punjab.     they are a  very sexually driven people with a  very high sex drive.     charitropakhyan would be very very very popular in the pinds all for the wrong reasons, if some1 introduces charitropakhyan to them it would end up becoming their most favorite bani and recited on a daily basis.  they just dont know about it.

 

I think your pind is in the minority, most were a lot more conservative. 

[Premi5]

On 3/16/2020 at 10:38 PM, puzzled said:

try suggesting tarkhans in the pind to marry their daughters to chamars and see what their reaction is LOL     it aint gnna be a pleasant one i tell you that,   they definitely wont be making you the bachola  

her in laws playing a role in the murder was one of the main theories. Having your daughter-inlaw run away with another man to sing on stage that too with a chamar aint considered some small thing in Punjab lol    especially punjab in the 80s/90s     the amount of shame they faced must of been and probably still is unbearable.  And from what iv heard her inlaws were quite influential which would of made it even worse for them.  

 

As for other singers getting to kill him. Competition was a big thing.  One of his biggest rivals was mohd sadiq and ranjit kaur who by that time were much older but still popular in the 80s. Ranjit kaur had apparently lost her voice, which she did, becoz some1 spiked her drink and it messed her throat up and she could no longer sing    mohd sadiq eventually dumped her.  Stuff like this was quite common among singers.     Singer used to get booked, chamkila was the most booked singer in punjab at the time. Most others singers were pretty much out of work because of him. 

Punjab in the 70s/80s was very feudal like

A lot of these singers were involved in performing for policemen and politicians aswell.  Things used to get political. Singers were used at political rallies depending on the police officers present in the audience and the party they supported .    The stage was used for all sorts of things   

 

On 3/15/2020 at 10:59 PM, dallysingh101 said:

  As for the tarkhan community doing it: naah, they aren't as obsessed with that honour thing like certain others in the panth - for better or for worse. I don't think they would give a toss about him marrying some other singer, even if she was a tarkhan, in terms of a monolithic community. 

 

I know a Sikh from your East London who was in-house Kirtani and Kathakaar in one of the local Gurdwaras around 20 years ago - of churha background. Apparently, fell for a local young Tarkhaan girl. He wanted rishtaa. The girl's family in India checked out his family and thought it was an insult!

[Jacfsing2]

8 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I know a prominent Sikh from your East London who was in-house Kirtani and Kathakaar in one of the local Gurdwaras around 20 years ago - of 'low caste' background. Apparently, fell for a local young Tarkhaan girl. He wanted rishtaa. The girl's family in India checked out his family and thought it was an insult!

Aren't Tarkhans a "backward caste"? 

[Premi5]

5 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Aren't Tarkhans a "backward caste"? 

'backward' is not the right term in any context of 'caste' discussion.  They're all 'backward' if they believe in 'caste' or 'jaath' though.

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

 

I know a Sikh from your East London who was in-house Kirtani and Kathakaar in one of the local Gurdwaras around 20 years ago - of churha background. Apparently, fell for a local young Tarkhaan girl. He wanted rishtaa. The girl's family in India checked out his family and thought it was an insult!

Not surprised. But I was talking to the extent of murder like suggested in the Chamkila case.  It wouldn't be that big a deal that the 'tarkhan community' would feel enraged enough to arrange an assassination.  

Don't make the mistake of superimposing typical jut clannishism on the tarkhan 'community'. The latter seem infinitely more individualistic and independent of each other (for better or for worse), despite a minority from East Africa appearing otherwise.  

Apparently it's now well known that kharkus did it. I think this other stuff was a red herring maybe?  

[proactive]

I don't agree with you view that there is no clannish mentality in Tarkhans. The Ramgarhia designation was invented in  order give a higher caste status to the Tarkhans. Tarkhans hold the same views as Jats with regard to inter caste marriage. The level of violence that a Tarkhan family could enact would be much less than a Jat family but if the Tarkhan family involved with Chamkila were influential then there would have a whole host of linkages and favours then could have drawn on both to assassinate Chamkila as well as any subsequent cover up. 

There is no doubt that the Kharkoos had Chamkila in their cross hairs, 1988 was the start of the Samaj Sudhar movement when the Kharkoos attempted to reform society and get rid of the ills which the Indian state had made the norm in Punjabi society. Khalsa Panchayats had been set up to try court cases, the villages were warned to not involve the state and its functionaries in any disputes that were taking place in the villages. Families of husbands whose wives had been left  for many years and lived with their own families were warned to bring them back to live in their families. In that atmosphere Chamkila would certainly have been a target as his type of songs with their innuendo were seen as having bought immorality into society. 

Given the gand singers like Gurdas Mann has bought in since the 90s, you can just imagine what gand Chamkila would have bought in had he been alive today.