Did Khalistanis kill Chamkila! ?

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On 1/22/2018 at 9:37 PM, Guest who said:

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So i was wondering was it Khalistanis that killed Chamkila?

I don't think anyone has been arrested, i don,t even think there was an investigation!  but lots of people say it was khalistanis who did it because he used dirty lyrics etc

I have nothing against Khalistanis, but if it was them then wasn't the murder outside the realm of religion, politics, Sikhs being suppressed etc   

Killing a corrupt politician or any man in power who has murdered Sikhs is understandable, but a singer and his wife? ...

He was no ordinary singer and his songs were filled with sexual innuendo and were a departure from the Punjabi songs of the time. He really brought gand into Punjabi songs and as such it is possible that he became a victim of the Samaj Sudhar campaign of the Kharkoos which was in full swing at the time. Singers such as Chamkila are no ordinary people as their songs can influence both the listeners as well as society in general. How can the degradation of society and slide towards immorality be stopped when the singers that promote these two things are so popular? 

The sad fact about Chamkila's life  is that he used his talents to corrupt society rather than reform it. He came from a low caste background and he could have used his talent fight for a more just society. His two religious songs Baba Tera Nankana and Talwar Main Kalgidhar di haan are among his most powerful songs but unfortunately he will always be known for his crude and pornographic songs. 

[californiasardar1]

I've seen many claims on the internet that Khalistani militants were responsible for Chamkila's murder.

 

Here is one relevant article:

http://1984tribute.com/Jhujaroo-Jeevani.php?id=291

 

"Bhai Neka then made a program to punish the singer who sang dirty songs, Amar Chamkila as he was destroying the Punjabi culture with his filthy songs. The singhs had tried to make him clean himself up, at first Chamkila agreed to make clean songs and at that time he released a religious album. Then after a short while Chamkila's brain messed up again and he once again started singing dirty songs. Any respected person would lower their head with shame after listening to the songs of Chamkila. On 8th March 1988, Amar Chamkila and his female vocalist Amarjot came to Mehsumpur to do a concert. Here Bhai Neka, Bhai Gurdeep Singh Deepa Heranwala and Bhai Paramjit Singh Pamma Bir attacked the duet. Amar Chamkila and Amarjot died on the spot and after this action no one dared to sing dirty songs."

 

[GurjantGnostic]

29 minutes ago, lostconfussedsingh said:

I have never listened to any of chamkilas songs why and how they are dirty ? Can someone explain ?

Lol, like in explicit detail?

[GurjantGnostic]

@californiasardar1

Nice read. Thank you. 

[MrDoaba]

1 hour ago, lostconfussedsingh said:

Well if you don't mind in private message as i don't really understand most singers in punjabi anyway. I do understand hip hop rap music as its in english but not punjabi songs lol

Yaar tu rehnde. He sings about the stuff you are trying to avoid.

[Guest Fan]

Chamkila was just a singer and a great at what he was doing? Even though his songs were not of the family type, he was unique in what he was doing, he's got a bigger following now than ever. People talk about filth, what is the punjabi music industry now? Its a joke more filth than ever, but no-one says anything now. He was just singing about things that Punjabi people do and think, but dont want to talk about, he was not advertising drugs, murder or guns which is all over the market now. If you dont like his songs dont listen to them, simple as that. If he was so bad why were people booking him left, right and center. Dont forget its the public that make a singer by buying his music, he was way a  head of his time. 

[puzzled]

Chamkila on stage in canada said that the he gave singhs some money and they agreed that he can continue singing. This was a lie and the karkhoo singhs took it as a big insult. Singhs were fighting for the kaum why would they take money from chamkila   who was poor anyway. 

Chamkila also ran away with another mans wife. Amarjot was a married woman. Shows you low his morals were.

Some people were saying that other singers shot him because they were jealous of his success. Some said people from the tarkhan community shot him because amarjot was a tarkhan and she left her husband to sing with chamkila who was a chamar. Loads of theories came out.

But it was kharkoos who killed him. 

Old songs like chamkilas were a lot more dirty with the lyrics than new songs. Main problem with new songs is the videos are dirty.   Still rubbish songs though 

[dallysingh101]

Who the hell is going to know the truth behind this? I know kharkus defo get the rap for this though. When certain faujis complain about kharkus, they seem to bring up Chamkila quite regularly. 

If you'd heard some of the dirty Panjabi songs of that era (I only really heard snippets of one or two - not my kettle...etc.). They were really explicit. Referring to sexual acts using common, earthy Panjabi terms for the genitalia for example (some of us who've grown up around old school rural types probably know the type of words I'm alluding to here).

And to think, it may have been certain people's objective to get turned on by this. Which is the really shocking thing. lol

[MisterrSingh]

A guerilla movement should focus its efforts on targeting prominent political and similar figureheads of that standing. Intimidating and cultivating grudges with the very people with whom a rapport should be established in order to construct a groundswell of public support for one's movement, isn't a smart thing to do. It's picking off low hanging fruit, and the smarter and considerably calculating types (or at least those who prone to betray the cause and aren't passionate about the insurgency) within the "janta" are more likely to collaborate with the government and turn informant if they see militants fiddling around with inconsequential trivialities whilst the important stuff is ignored. Sorting out corrosive personalities from within one's own community that undermine that society's moral compass are secondary issues. Important in the long-term, yes, but ultimately an issue that can wait in the face of more pressing matters.

A Chamkila can be cajoled into dropping the gandh and channelling his talent toward making songs that aren't morally subversive. There's ways of dealing with people like Chamkila that don't involve implementing a Sharia mentality. Equally, one has to wonder whether Chamkila, as an artist, was simply commenting on the social phenomena he was observing, or whether he was actively encouraging this behaviour by creating a mindset and worldview eagerly adopted by unintelligent and gullible people.  Of course, if Singhs were used as scapegoats by Chamkila's devious competitors, then that's another issue entirely.

[dallysingh101]

4 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

A guerilla movement should focus its efforts on targeting prominent political and similar figureheads of that standing. Intimidating and cultivating grudges with the very people with whom a rapport should be established in order to construct a groundswell of public support for one's movement, isn't a smart thing to do. It's picking off low hanging fruit, and the smarter and considerably calculating types (or at least those who prone to betray the cause and aren't passionate about the insurgency) within the "janta" are more likely to collaborate with the government and turn informant if they see militants fiddling around with inconsequential trivialities whilst the important stuff is ignored. Sorting out corrosive personalities from within one's own community that undermine that society's moral compass are secondary issues. Important in the long-term, yes, but ultimately an issue that can wait in the face of more pressing matters.

A Chamkila can be cajoled into dropping the gandh and channelling his talent toward making songs that aren't morally subversive. There's ways of dealing with people like Chamkila that don't involve implementing a Sharia mentality. Equally, one has to wonder whether Chamkila, as an artist, was simply commenting on the social phenomena he was observing, or whether he was actively encouraging this behaviour by creating a mindset and worldview eagerly adopted by unintelligent and gullible people.  Of course, if Singhs were used as scapegoats by Chamkila's devious competitors, then that's another issue entirely.

I can't see 'the competition' doing this. That's not the impression I get of apnay, and I don't exactly look at our people with gulaab coloured anhkhaan.  As for the tarkhan community doing it: naah, they aren't as obsessed with that honour thing like certain others in the panth - for better or for worse. I don't think they would give a toss about him marrying some other singer, even if she was a tarkhan, in terms of a monolithic community. 

But I will say that a certain prudish mindset might have been at work? What's made me reflect upon this is looking at CP recently, I mean look at chariter 111 (link posted below). Now this chariter isn't coy or prudish AT ALL About animal human instincts and behaviour. And if we have blatant expositions like this within the DG itself, it sort of pushes us away from an excessively puritan mindset about these things? No? 

 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/19991-sri-charitropakhyan-sahib-jee-series-charitar-111/