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sikhi allows others to do as they want because appe beej app hi khao ... gurbani describes manmati people as lost , deluded ...if people understood life in all forms are maas including veg they wouldn't fight but realise what Guru ji  gives us to do vichar on

quoting from article by Prahlad SIngh

About Bhai Gurdas Ji: Bhai Gurdas Ji is recognized not only as first great Sikh scholar and interpretter of Gurubani of Guru Granth Sahib ji, but he was also a brahamgiani. He was honoured by physical and spiritual closeness of four embodiments of Guru Nanak (From Guru Amardas Ji to Guru Hargobind Singh Ji). He remained in personal service ("Hazoori Sewa") of GuruJi,s for good length of time. He also used to do "Katha" (interpretations) of Gurubani for sangat in the very presence of Guru Ji, in his darbar. He was a great scholar not only of Gurmukhi, but also of Hindi, Sanskrit and Brij languages.

> He had the previledge of compiling very first "swaroop" of Guru Granth Sahib Ji under direct supervision and editorial guidance of Guru Arjun Dev Ji both at physical and spiritual levels.

His own writtings are as "Vaars" in punjabi and "Kabit's" and "Swaiya,s" in Brij language. How much he understood the Sikh religion and Guruji's -- is evident from the fact that GURU ARJUN DEV JI SAID IF GURUBANI IN GRANTH SAHIB JI IS LOCK, BHAI GURDAS JI'S WRITTINGS ARE KEY TO IT. Thus Guru ji himself directed sikhs to follow Bhai Gurdas ji's bani to understand Guru Granth Sahib ji in its true sense.

So since the time of Guruji,s physical embodiments, the Bani of Bhai Sahib Ji is being used by sikh scholars and saints to understand some of very high spiritual and critical issues pertaining to progress on Guru's path.

In this article Bhai Gurdas Ji's view on killing animals and eating their meat are given for the benefit of readers.

In one of his writtings, Bhai Gurdas ji wanted to compare the lowness of wickedness and immoral conduct of thankless person ("Akritghan"), and he searched for most low and hateful worldly thing for its use in comparision for his example. He thought about all the bad things in this world to choose the worst. He finally selected the "meat"! And to further intensify his expression he described it as of dog's meat and being cooked in alcohol (drink). This he found most suitable to compare wickedness and immoralness of thankless person. He says:

> "Mad wich ridha paye ke kute da maas, Nadari pave akritghan, hoi jai vinaas"

It is critical to understand that meat of dog cooked in alcohol is already rejectable and useless thing in bhai Sabib's view, but it still gets further deteriorated if it is seen by a thankless person. Such is the result of company of thankless person. And who is thankless? -- one who gets the gift of human body from God and then forgets him !! ... ..betrays his Guruji just for little easy life and some better worldly opportunities !!! --that is what Gurubani says.

While describing the fate of those who kill the poor creatures of God and eat them, Bhai Sahib uses instance of the goat who is caught by a lion and is moments away from being ripped into pieces and eaten. In goats words Bhai Sahib Ji explains:

> "Sheeh pajooti Bakkari, maradi hoie harh harh hassi, Ak Dhatura khadian kuh kuh khal ukhal vinassi, Maas Khan gal wad ke, haal tinada kaun hovassi. (Vaar 25-7)

Means the goat says, "I was eating Ak and Dhatura plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CUT MY THROAT AND EAT MY MEAT ??????

At some other place, Bhai Sabib talks about goat being cut by butcher to be eaten :

> "kuhe Kassai Bakkari, lai loon seekh mass proyia" Hass hass bole kuhidi, khade ak haal eh hoyia, Maas khan gal churi de, haal tinada kaun aloyia" (Vaar 37-21)

Means: Goat is being killed, cut into pieces and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating Ak plant (weed found in India's desert fields). In last line goat puts a question, WHAT WILL BE FATE OF THOSE IN COURT OF LORD WHO CUT MY THROAT WITH KNIFE AND EAT MY MEAT ??????

Bhai Gurdas Ji in Vaar 31 gives strong warning against eating meat. He said, due to some good doings in previous births, Pootna (a witch who tried to poison Krishna Ji) was forgiven. But don't take it as that act of poisoning others is acceptable. And due to some pious acts in previous births and grace of Lord, Sadhana the butcher was forgiven (there is mention about him in Gurubani too, later on he became bhagat). But it should not be interpretted as, that killing animals and eating their meat (word "Bhanga" here) is acceptable. Please read the following lines of Bhai Sahib Ji:

> "Jekar udhari pootna, Wihu pialan kam na changa, Je Kassai udharia, jeean ghai na khaiye Bhanga" (Vaar 31-5)

(I wish everyone could read this as in Gurmukhi)

So dear sikh brotheren, listen carefully to this warning of Bhai Gurdas ji, whose bani has been asked to be followed by our Guru ji as "key to Guru Granth Sahib Ji". Have a fear of account being taken in the court of Akal Purakh ("Dargah"). Remeber Guru Nanak Ji has clearly warned us:

"Guru Pir Hama Ta Bhare, ja Murdar Na Khai" page 141 in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Means Guru or Peer only helps in the court of Akal Purakh if some one abstains from "Murdaar" means meat. Murdaar word has come from Murda which means dead one. Murdaar means flesh of dead ie meat.

With sincere regards and apologies for any hurt feelings of anyone.

- Prahlad Singh

 

From Sikh Times

1. Those that choose to dwell on the consumption of substances rather than focus their minds on remembering God have been derided by the Adi Granth ('consumed by the desire for substances'). This 'desire' can be either for a single substance or for a number of substances. It is worth noting that the Adi Granth mentions the desire for meat at the very end of a list of nine desires:

"The desires for gold, silver, women, fragrances,' ..'horses, beds, palaces, sweets, and meat."

  • (Verse 43/1, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 15]

It is clear from Guru Nanak's verse (above) that he accords meat a status similar to gold, silver, women, fragrances, horses, beds, palaces, and sweets.

To forget God and remain obsessed with substances is 'desire.' For those that are immersed in the rememberance of God, no substance is 'desirous.' To obsess unduly on meat, i.e. only one of the nine desires acknowledged by the Adi Granth, is tantamount to ignoring the fundamental messages of the Adi Granth.

2. To attach undue importance to matters of eating and drinking rather than focusing on remembering God has been termed by our Gurus as harmful to the pursuit of a spiritual lifestyle. Furthermore, our Gurus have placed meat on par with other superior substances such as fruit, butter, jaggery, and refined flour.

"What good are fruits, butter, sweet jaggery, refined flour, and meat?"

  • (Verse 44/2, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 142]

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

One of the reasons goat meat was popular is because its lean high protein meat. 

Also its easy to do jhakta to a goat with one chop. sheep and pig is difficult to kill with one chop as their neck is alot bigger so requires alot more strength and skill to jhakta it.ie you only have one strike to the neck to jhakta it clean off. Which is difficult with a larger bigger animal. 

So goat was the natural option as a kirpan would do the cut easily with one blow. Obviously pakora nakh has probably wet his pants reading this. Get back to your dhal and rice. lol. leave the jhakta for the real men. not sissys like you who cant handle meat.

Sissy boys obviously prefer their aloo matar and saags. No wonder they turn into sissy boys when they grow up with no strength. No wonder you have all the strength and charisma of a wet lettuce. That goes for pakoranakh. I bet he would sH1t his dhal out if he ever came infront of me and I destroyed him like the trex that I am. 

you mean sissy boys like Bhai Fauja SIngh ji, Sant Jarnail SIngh ji, General Shahbeg SIngh ji, Bhai Amrik Singh ji? ...learn to stop and engage brain before spouting poison ... even those nikkian jinda of those two gursikh bacchian were veggie amritdharis who jumped in front of the tank with grenades , was it any less of a shaheedi because of their diet?

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6 hours ago, puzzled said:

then why does Guru Granth Sahib ji tell us not to eat meat? 

O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish. 
The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause)) 
Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. 
So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell

 

In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.


 

 

Where in GGSJ does it say wear 5 kakkars?!

the khalsa’s maryada does not come from GGSJ

6 hours ago, puzzled said:

Meat is nasty anyway, your basically eating something which pissed, shitted, had sex, carried lice, had illnesses and was a living walking thing 

Your mother who gave birth to you also has the above inclinations.... but as a child you consumed her milk... and was born from within her body 

 

This site needs to be renamed ‚ÄėSpastic Sangat‚Äô

Stop wasting your time on here talking utter bakvas.... go read Bani & do some simran & build your avasthas 

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7 hours ago, puzzled said:

Meat is nasty anyway, your basically eating something which pissed, shitted, had sex, carried lice, had illnesses and was a living walking thing 

Ugh, now that you put it that way...haha.

But in all seriousness, meat eating, like you said, is not encouraged in Sikhi. Not sure why some of our people bring up obscure references to prove their meat eating habits. I mean it's fine you personally want to, but don't contort religion to sanction it.

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14 hours ago, monatosingh said:

@Big_Tera Allow pro pakhandi, the guy is 100% aloo, man goes Sant Ji said to burn any amritdhari who eats meat.

If you knock him out I guarantee he will start to eat jhatka after that.

@Prokharkoo84 You aloo.

the same soorh eating nang who flaps it from suleh in his own home ends is piping up lol. i rather be an aloo than a nang like you. i dont need jhatka, i dont live in the jungles where there is a bounty on my head, do you live in the jungle and havent got access to food? 

and listen to sant ji's speeches and what i actually said, Sant ji said that if u catch any 'amritdhari' who is drinking eating meat etc then set them on fire. the only thing a nang like you and your step dad big tedh can do is set fire to a bbq to eat bakra lol

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13 hours ago, puzzled said:

In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.


 

 

that sums up the love child of ajit phoola - monato nang and his step dad big tedh perfectly 

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13 hours ago, puzzled said:

bhai gurdas jis varan

The butcher slaughters the goat; salts the meat and strings it on a skewer. 
While being killed the goat laughingly says: I have come to this condition for grazing only coarse leaves of arid wild plants. 
What will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with a knife eat the flesh of animals? 
The perverted taste of the tongue is harmful for the teeth and damages the mouth. 
The one who eyes another’s wealth or body or slanders becomes a poisonous Amphisbaena. 
This snake is controlled by the Guru's mantra but the Guru-less manmukh never listens to this glorious mantra. 
The Manmukh blindly moves ahead, never realizing the approaching deep pit ahead!

(note: Amphisbaena is a mythical serpent having a head at each end of its body.)

Vaar 37 Pauri 21

 

Lion catches a goat; As the goat is dying, it begins to laugh. In awe the lion asks, why are you laughing?
Humbly the goat says: Our sons are destroyed (castrated). We only eat wild plants and suffer being slayed & skinned alive.
Those who cut our throats and eat our flesh, what will be their plight? 
Proud and arrogant their bodies are a waste; inedible and fruitless. All who come to the world will eventually die.

Vaar 25 Pauri 17

Waheguru

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10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

sikhi allows others to do as they want because appe beej app hi khao ... gurbani describes manmati people as lost , deluded ...if people understood life in all forms are maas including veg they wouldn't fight but realise what Guru ji  gives us to do vichar on

quoting from article by Prahlad SIngh

About Bhai Gurdas Ji: Bhai Gurdas Ji is recognized not only as first great Sikh scholar and interpretter of Gurubani of Guru Granth Sahib ji, but he was also a brahamgiani. He was honoured by physical and spiritual closeness of four embodiments of Guru Nanak (From Guru Amardas Ji to Guru Hargobind Singh Ji). He remained in personal service ("Hazoori Sewa") of GuruJi,s for good length of time. He also used to do "Katha" (interpretations) of Gurubani for sangat in the very presence of Guru Ji, in his darbar. He was a great scholar not only of Gurmukhi, but also of Hindi, Sanskrit and Brij languages.

> He had the previledge of compiling very first "swaroop" of Guru Granth Sahib Ji under direct supervision and editorial guidance of Guru Arjun Dev Ji both at physical and spiritual levels.

His own writtings are as "Vaars" in punjabi and "Kabit's" and "Swaiya,s" in Brij language. How much he understood the Sikh religion and Guruji's -- is evident from the fact that GURU ARJUN DEV JI SAID IF GURUBANI IN GRANTH SAHIB JI IS LOCK, BHAI GURDAS JI'S WRITTINGS ARE KEY TO IT. Thus Guru ji himself directed sikhs to follow Bhai Gurdas ji's bani to understand Guru Granth Sahib ji in its true sense.

So since the time of Guruji,s physical embodiments, the Bani of Bhai Sahib Ji is being used by sikh scholars and saints to understand some of very high spiritual and critical issues pertaining to progress on Guru's path.

In this article Bhai Gurdas Ji's view on killing animals and eating their meat are given for the benefit of readers.

In one of his writtings, Bhai Gurdas ji wanted to compare the lowness of wickedness and immoral conduct of thankless person ("Akritghan"), and he searched for most low and hateful worldly thing for its use in comparision for his example. He thought about all the bad things in this world to choose the worst. He finally selected the "meat"! And to further intensify his expression he described it as of dog's meat and being cooked in alcohol (drink). This he found most suitable to compare wickedness and immoralness of thankless person. He says:

> "Mad wich ridha paye ke kute da maas, Nadari pave akritghan, hoi jai vinaas"

It is critical to understand that meat of dog cooked in alcohol is already rejectable and useless thing in bhai Sabib's view, but it still gets further deteriorated if it is seen by a thankless person. Such is the result of company of thankless person. And who is thankless? -- one who gets the gift of human body from God and then forgets him !! ... ..betrays his Guruji just for little easy life and some better worldly opportunities !!! --that is what Gurubani says.

While describing the fate of those who kill the poor creatures of God and eat them, Bhai Sahib uses instance of the goat who is caught by a lion and is moments away from being ripped into pieces and eaten. In goats words Bhai Sahib Ji explains:

> "Sheeh pajooti Bakkari, maradi hoie harh harh hassi, Ak Dhatura khadian kuh kuh khal ukhal vinassi, Maas Khan gal wad ke, haal tinada kaun hovassi. (Vaar 25-7)

Means the goat says, "I was eating Ak and Dhatura plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CUT MY THROAT AND EAT MY MEAT ??????

At some other place, Bhai Sabib talks about goat being cut by butcher to be eaten :

> "kuhe Kassai Bakkari, lai loon seekh mass proyia" Hass hass bole kuhidi, khade ak haal eh hoyia, Maas khan gal churi de, haal tinada kaun aloyia" (Vaar 37-21)

Means: Goat is being killed, cut into pieces and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating Ak plant (weed found in India's desert fields). In last line goat puts a question, WHAT WILL BE FATE OF THOSE IN COURT OF LORD WHO CUT MY THROAT WITH KNIFE AND EAT MY MEAT ??????

Bhai Gurdas Ji in Vaar 31 gives strong warning against eating meat. He said, due to some good doings in previous births, Pootna (a witch who tried to poison Krishna Ji) was forgiven. But don't take it as that act of poisoning others is acceptable. And due to some pious acts in previous births and grace of Lord, Sadhana the butcher was forgiven (there is mention about him in Gurubani too, later on he became bhagat). But it should not be interpretted as, that killing animals and eating their meat (word "Bhanga" here) is acceptable. Please read the following lines of Bhai Sahib Ji:

> "Jekar udhari pootna, Wihu pialan kam na changa, Je Kassai udharia, jeean ghai na khaiye Bhanga" (Vaar 31-5)

(I wish everyone could read this as in Gurmukhi)

So dear sikh brotheren, listen carefully to this warning of Bhai Gurdas ji, whose bani has been asked to be followed by our Guru ji as "key to Guru Granth Sahib Ji". Have a fear of account being taken in the court of Akal Purakh ("Dargah"). Remeber Guru Nanak Ji has clearly warned us:

"Guru Pir Hama Ta Bhare, ja Murdar Na Khai" page 141 in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Means Guru or Peer only helps in the court of Akal Purakh if some one abstains from "Murdaar" means meat. Murdaar word has come from Murda which means dead one. Murdaar means flesh of dead ie meat.

With sincere regards and apologies for any hurt feelings of anyone.

- Prahlad Singh

 

From Sikh Times

1. Those that choose to dwell on the consumption of substances rather than focus their minds on remembering God have been derided by the Adi Granth ('consumed by the desire for substances'). This 'desire' can be either for a single substance or for a number of substances. It is worth noting that the Adi Granth mentions the desire for meat at the very end of a list of nine desires:

"The desires for gold, silver, women, fragrances,' ..'horses, beds, palaces, sweets, and meat."

  • (Verse 43/1, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 15]

It is clear from Guru Nanak's verse (above) that he accords meat a status similar to gold, silver, women, fragrances, horses, beds, palaces, and sweets.

To forget God and remain obsessed with substances is 'desire.' For those that are immersed in the rememberance of God, no substance is 'desirous.' To obsess unduly on meat, i.e. only one of the nine desires acknowledged by the Adi Granth, is tantamount to ignoring the fundamental messages of the Adi Granth.

2. To attach undue importance to matters of eating and drinking rather than focusing on remembering God has been termed by our Gurus as harmful to the pursuit of a spiritual lifestyle. Furthermore, our Gurus have placed meat on par with other superior substances such as fruit, butter, jaggery, and refined flour.

"What good are fruits, butter, sweet jaggery, refined flour, and meat?"

  • (Verse 44/2, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 142]

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

you mean sissy boys like Bhai Fauja SIngh ji, Sant Jarnail SIngh ji, General Shahbeg SIngh ji, Bhai Amrik Singh ji? ...learn to stop and engage brain before spouting poison ... even those nikkian jinda of those two gursikh bacchian were veggie amritdharis who jumped in front of the tank with grenades , was it any less of a shaheedi because of their diet?

funny thing is sis, big tedh couldnt even meet me face to face when i travelled from cardiff to his home town, but yet he thinks by eating so much meat he is the next hari singh nalwa lol i think he is one of them sad fat mummy boy types who been abused by niddar sio from a young age lol

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You don't need meat for protein. It's just a bull5h1t myth.  The proteins you get from meat are from the food chain of the plants consumed by animals. Plants make the major proteins using nitrogen from the air...animals can't do this.   The primary source of these major amino acids(amino acids make protein) are plants.   The other proteins are made inside our own bodies such as enzymes, c-reactive protein. blood proteins, and conjugate proteins used for immune system.

 

I'm NOT saying all this as some pro-veggie type, because I was an extreme meat eater before I started abyaas. I used to feel that my meal was incomplete without any meat. I would always insist on meat and 2 veg.     After a year or so of heavy Simran and raising my avastha, I developed a natural repulsion from all the meat products and was suddenly liking the taste of raw fruit and veg.   As mentioned in other thread, I went on to lose weight whilst also aiming to convert body weight into lean muscle. I can;t believe the results I've had with working out and sticking to veggie plant based diet.  

I know the meat eating nangs and ted's will come out with their weaka55 jhatka stuff, but all that is another story. I used to do the same and would always rush to show someone the hzur sahib jhatka videos... nowadays. I understand the situation better, it's a shame the young nang's don't and go around eating willy nilly..   

You guys ill only get it if you elevate your avasthas by doing naam jap.   The maas maas shabad by Guru Nanak ji says this-  "fools who argue over flesh know NOTHING about meditation"

 

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20 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

You guys ill only get it if you elevate your avasthas by doing naam jap.   The maas maas shabad by Guru Nanak ji says this-  "fools who argue over flesh know NOTHING about meditation"

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This is what I don't understand. Why do people say stuff like "you are wearing bana but you should improve your nitnem, etc".

How on Earth does the other person know my nitnem or naam simran?

Anyways..

21 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

I know the meat eating nangs and ted's will come out with their weaka55 jhatka stuff, but all that is another story. I used to do the same and would always rush to show someone the hzur sahib jhatka videos... nowadays. I understand the situation better, it's a shame the young nang's don't and go around eating willy nilly..   

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"Jatha"?

LMAOOOO

Khalsa back then did jhatka, Khalsa is not a "jatha" as you say.

22 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

After a year or so of heavy Simran and raising my avastha, I developed a natural repulsion from all the meat products and was suddenly liking the taste of raw fruit and veg.  

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"Raising my avastha"?

I smell a bit of ego.

 

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2 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

This is what I don't understand. Why do people say stuff like "you are wearing bana but you should improve your nitnem, etc".

How on Earth does the other person know my nitnem or naam simran?

Anyways..

"Jatha"?

LMAOOOO

Khalsa back then did jhatka, Khalsa is not a "jatha" as you say.

"Raising my avastha"?

I smell a bit of ego.

 

I never said " jatha" mate.  - I said jhatka.

Neither did I say nitnem bani, I said Naam Jap, whic is waheguru gurmantar simian. At least half hour per day to start with.

I smell ego of your desire of tongue taste. If you don't want my suggestion, which comes from my own experience and not what someone told me, then "on your bike lad" good luck

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3 hours ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

the same soorh eating nang who flaps it from suleh in his own home ends is piping up lol. i rather be an aloo than a nang like you. i dont need jhatka, i dont live in the jungles where there is a bounty on my head, do you live in the jungle and havent got access to food? 

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No I am not in a jungle (if anything you would probably eat the whole jungle you veggie <banned word filter activated>, LMAOOOOOOOOOO)

I am always ready to eat jhatka (prepared from the KHALSA maryada) because I've done my bit of research, I've asked around and compared people's opinions. I am not like you who follows someone else's opinion without doing the prior research yourself just so you get in some guy's good books.

If I ever see you in real life I will make you eat my back garden's grass, it needs a bit of cutting, and you are a veggie, so it balances out.

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1 minute ago, JUSTAJATT said:

I never said " jatha" mate.  - I said jhatka.

Neither did I say nitnem bani, I said Naam Jap, whic is waheguru gurmantar simian. At least half hour per day to start with.

I smell ego of your desire of tongue taste. If you don't want my suggestion, which comes from my own experience and not what someone told me, then "on your bike lad" good luck

You can eat the front garden grass, that needs a bit of cutting too.

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