Is suraj parkash right? is it a reliable source of info?

[akaaliKhalsa1699 37]

can someone explain if suraj parkash is right or wrong? why is it reliable if it was written in 1843, which was way after guru jis time. I follow taksal maryada and i havent quite understood why the taksal has chosen to do suraj parkash parchar. 

[S1ngh 1,851]

Just now, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

can someone explain if suraj parkash is right or wrong? why is it reliable if it was written in 1843, which was way after guru jis time. I follow taksal maryada and i havent quite understood why the taksal has chosen to do suraj parkash parchar. 

Okay. Can you explain why you feel that way about this scripture? Did you hear about it from someone else (preachers negatively speaking about it)? Or you are actually reading and trying to figure out? Knowing the reasoning of why someone is asking such questions will be helpful.

[akaaliKhalsa1699 37]

26 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Okay. Can you explain why you feel that way about this scripture? Did you hear about it from someone else (preachers negatively speaking about it)? Or you are actually reading and trying to figure out? Knowing the reasoning of why someone is asking such questions will be helpful.

yes firstly i have heard some parchariks saying negative things about suraj parksash. secondly, i am wondering why it would be reliable as suraj parkash was puplished way after guru jis time. 

[MokhamSingh 921]

Sri Gurpratap Suraj Parkash Granth is a masterpiece in its own right. It is important to note that some accounts in it do not conform to the teachings of SSGS. 

When Kavi Santokh Singh did katha of ten Patshahi’s, he had helpers who helped to put this katha in to written form. It is important to note that some of these helpers were Devi worshippers. So, they would’ve tried to make Guru Ji look like a Devi worshipper.

There were some people who took opium, and so told Santokh Singh that Guru Ji did too. This was the best way to cover their own shortcomings...by associating Guru Ji with it!!!

A man named Sahib Singh was bribed by the British to claim that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. Sahib Singh told Santokh Singh to say that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. But reading this Granth, it is clear that Santokh Singh states that this is what he was told!

I am not telling you what or not what to believe, but whenever you listen to parchar from anyone, please first look in to whose payroll or agenda they are on!!!

New parcharaks are paid vast amounts of money to break the Khalsa spirit!!!

[Jonny101 4,383]

All of our history of Guru Sahib's time period is based on these ancient granths like the Janam Sakhis, Mahima Prakash, Sri Gur Sobha, Suraj Prakash etc. If we discard these granths then we have nothing left on our Guru jees.

It is only less than 2 to 3 percent of the Sakhis that are not according to Gurmat it doesn't mean we should discard the entire granth with all the authentic Sakhis. It's almost like throwing the baby along with the bath water.

Kavi ji was a great scholar.  Kavi Santokh Singh gathered Sakhis related to Guru Sahibaan where ever he could find them from all over Punjab. He wrote his monumental Granth in beautiful poetry which is why Katha is done of it for the benefit of Sangat.

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Iv heard that kavi jis wife used to complain all the time and say how he is useless and wasting time, yet he was so devoted to his gurus.  They were poor yet he devotee his life to guru ji and writing this work       quite inspirational. 

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[Not2Cool2Argue 637]

On 5/4/2020 at 10:44 PM, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

can someone explain if suraj parkash is right or wrong? why is it reliable if it was written in 1843, which was way after guru jis time. I follow taksal maryada and i havent quite understood why the taksal has chosen to do suraj parkash parchar. 

Nothing is so simple. That u can write it as right or wrong. Only gurbani has the daraja that we can say its 100% correct and shudh as it was written by the Gurus themselves and checked by them. Even then there are small discrepencies between the different historical birs due to human error. 

So every thing else we cant say is 100% correct. BUT that does not mean we discard it. Look at the muslims and chriatians, there scriptures were written years later and are translated so many times from the original yet they still have faith. 

And unless this new wave of discard dasam granth discard this that is sweeping into the panth, it was the opposite in the olden days. Sikhs would read and learn from other faiths scriptures. now we r maligning our own. Theres always something u can learn from everything. 

Wheres the scholarly spirit of sikhs? Where u read different sources, compare and come to ur own nirna/formulation?  

On facebook, ppl used to write sikhs are so dumb they created most of history but did not write any of theirnown history.

And now we have history of the gurus time And WRITTEN BY SIKHS, and sikhs are complaining about it!!

Look bhai santokh singh and bhai rattan singh the respected writers of sooraj granth, panth parkash etc did their job and wrote down what they knew and what they heard from other sikhs and villagers. They acted like recorders and wrote down all that was prevalent at that time. So that those sakhis would not get lost. So we should be thankful! And if we dont agree with a sakhi, thats ok that was probably just a folklore that got added in. Look at the muslims, they have rated their hadiths on how accuruate they were. And they still kept the not so accurate ones but just noted that it wasnt thst authentic.

Also Taksal is about keeping the scholarly spirit of sikhi alive. In the olden days, its curriculum included reading hindu granths for comparison and debate education. Even now they read sarkitavali, a translation intl panjabi of a hindu puraan. And u want taksal to give up Sooraj parkash because of a few inaccuracies? Taksal is perfectly capable of explaining those inaccuracies and providing opposing evidence. They wont get brainwashed. 

 

[akaaliKhalsa1699 37]

dhan

1 hour ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Nothing is so simple. That u can write it as right or wrong. Only gurbani has the daraja that we can say its 100% correct and shudh as it was written by the Gurus themselves and checked by them. Even then there are small discrepencies between the different historical birs due to human error. 

So every thing else we cant say is 100% correct. BUT that does not mean we discard it. Look at the muslims and chriatians, there scriptures were written years later and are translated so many times from the original yet they still have faith. 

And unless this new wave of discard dasam granth discard this that is sweeping into the panth, it was the opposite in the olden days. Sikhs would read and learn from other faiths scriptures. now we r maligning our own. Theres always something u can learn from everything. 

Wheres the scholarly spirit of sikhs? Where u read different sources, compare and come to ur own nirna/formulation?  

On facebook, ppl used to write sikhs are so dumb they created most of history but did not write any of theirnown history.

And now we have history of the gurus time And WRITTEN BY SIKHS, and sikhs are complaining about it!!

Look bhai santokh singh and bhai rattan singh the respected writers of sooraj granth, panth parkash etc did their job and wrote down what they knew and what they heard from other sikhs and villagers. They acted like recorders and wrote down all that was prevalent at that time. So that those sakhis would not get lost. So we should be thankful! And if we dont agree with a sakhi, thats ok that was probably just a folklore that got added in. Look at the muslims, they have rated their hadiths on how accuruate they were. And they still kept the not so accurate ones but just noted that it wasnt thst authentic.

Also Taksal is about keeping the scholarly spirit of sikhi alive. In the olden days, its curriculum included reading hindu granths for comparison and debate education. Even now they read sarkitavali, a translation intl panjabi of a hindu puraan. And u want taksal to give up Sooraj parkash because of a few inaccuracies? Taksal is perfectly capable of explaining those inaccuracies and providing opposing evidence. They wont get brainwashed. 

 

dhanwaad tera ji. thank u for giving a great explanation. i have another question. what is the difference between damdami taksals taksali gutka and the other ones like budha dal ones ect.

[Not2Cool2Argue 637]

On 5/6/2020 at 1:04 PM, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

dhan

dhanwaad tera ji. thank u for giving a great explanation. i have another question. what is the difference between damdami taksals taksali gutka and the other ones like budha dal ones ect.

As far as I know. The difference is which banis are included. The buddha dal gutka contians more dasam bani. And prevalent sayings like shalok damale da and brahm kavach. Which may or may not be dasam bani. 

[S1ngh 1,851]

Very good replies by sangat 

[Jashanuppal 0]

On 5/5/2020 at 7:31 AM, MokhamSingh said:

Sri Gurpratap Suraj Parkash Granth is a masterpiece in its own right. It is important to note that some accounts in it do not conform to the teachings of SSGS. 

When Kavi Santokh Singh did katha of ten Patshahi’s, he had helpers who helped to put this katha in to written form. It is important to note that some of these helpers were Devi worshippers. So, they would’ve tried to make Guru Ji look like a Devi worshipper.

There were some people who took opium, and so told Santokh Singh that Guru Ji did too. This was the best way to cover their own shortcomings...by associating Guru Ji with it!!!

A man named Sahib Singh was bribed by the British to claim that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. Sahib Singh told Santokh Singh to say that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. But reading this Granth, it is clear that Santokh Singh states that this is what he was told!

I am not telling you what or not what to believe, but whenever you listen to parchar from anyone, please first look in to whose payroll or agenda they are on!!!

New parcharaks are paid vast amounts of money to break the Khalsa spirit!!!

So how it could be masterpiece if it has this kinds of problems . Its telling guru sahib a nashedi and then u say its a masterpiece. 

[Arsh1469 443]

On 12/27/2020 at 8:58 PM, Jashanuppal said:

So how it could be masterpiece if it has this kinds of problems . Its telling guru sahib a nashedi and then u say its a masterpiece. 

It is like 95% the truth. So practically a Masterpiece.

It also is possible that Guru ji had his army took Opium as medicine.

 

[GurjantGnostic 1,268]

5 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

It is like 95% the truth. So practically a Masterpiece.

It also is possible that Guru ji had his army took Opium as medicine.

 

Just because Guru Gobind Singh Maharaja had afeem for his troops doesn't mean he used it. 

[Arsh1469 443]

4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Just because Guru Gobind Singh Maharaja had afeem for his troops doesn't mean he used it. 

If he made his troops use it it is likely he did but also it's likely that he and his army never took opium.