Maharaja Ranjit Singh funeral

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4 hours ago, puzzled said:

He actually was thin and short 

the Frenchman Jacquemont wrote: "He is a thin little man with an attractive face, though he has lost an eye from small pox which has otherwise disfigured him little. His right eye, which remains, is very large, his nose is fine and slightly turned up, his mouth thin, his teeth excellent. He wears slight moustaches which he twists incessantly with his finger, and a long thin beard which falls to his chest

 

as opposed to the small dark wizened monkey on the back of his horse described by angrez

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You see the effects, but who were the people behind the curtains pulling stings ?

the more I read about him, the more I suspect Ranjit Singh was far from ideal gursikh. He was just an angry jatt on a large scale. Nothing in his life suggest sikh piety , except ofcourse the grand historical gurudwaras he built.

What the heck were dancing girls ? how come no one batted an eyelid against that ? they must have and Ranjit singh also got punishment once outside akal takht, but the enemies (read 'baahmanic mindsets') have for long pulled strings of sikh community affairs than you would like to admit ! 

the mess is older than indian govt's or british atrocities , this invisible evil from behind the curtains is way way older than all of that . 

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Damandeep Singh Sandhwalia a descendant of Ranjit Singhs family,  its always great to see descendants of prominent Sikh figures in proper Sikh appearance, Ranjit Singh was from the Sandhwalia clan, this guy is a descendant of Ranjit Singhs cousin. Sandhwalias were quite bitter about about Ranjit Singh getting the throne and not them! They held a prominent position in his darbar but were always trying to get the throne !

 

 

think this guy is a descendant of Jind Kaur

 

Descendants of Bhai Maharaj Singh ji who rebelled against the British after the ando sikh wars, his family are in Sikhi saroop too

  

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On 6/27/2020 at 10:36 PM, puzzled said:

Maharani Jind Kaur famously said that she won't become sati. 

From what I have read on this there was no thought of her becoming sati, because Dalip Singh was still an infant (8 months) and suckling. Mothers in such situations were barred from sati.

 

On 6/27/2020 at 10:36 PM, puzzled said:

The 7 dancing girls that committed sati were Kashmiri. 

Gardner says that these girls were forced by Dhian Singh as they knew some of his secrets that could harm him if they were made public. He says these girls were forced to become sati and were almost dragged to the pyre.

 

20 hours ago, puzzled said:

A lot of fake stories about Ranjit Singh were spread by the British during his lifetime, like how he struggled to have children

At the time, it wasn't the "british" representatives of the crown. It was the esat india company. They had to provide reasons to the British govt for taking over territories. They were carefull not to upset Parliament because parliament could revoke their license as trading agents of the crown.

So they would make up stuff that made people in britian feel that the east india company was actually doing the right thing. One of these was an overexaggeration of sati. One of the other rule of the company and later the crown, was that kingdoms could only be bequeathed to blood children. So if a King failed to produce a heir, the company and later the crown could claim it as theirs. This happened with some Sikh Kings as well. The company produced a lot of false info about Maharaaja Sahib in order to smoothen the way to take over the Kingdom.

 

20 hours ago, puzzled said:

They spread stories about Rani Jindan having an affair with Bhaman Lal Singh

This was true actually, but it happened after maharaja Sahib's death.

20 hours ago, puzzled said:

these British were extremely sly and crafty, very conniving 

Very. But they were also very well organised and patient. Waiting for the opportunity to present itself. Its something Sikhs aren't too good at these days.

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3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Damandeep Singh Sandhwalia a descendant of Ranjit Singhs family

 

I have interacted with this guy on social media. he is NOT a nice guy. He absolves the murder of Maharaja Sher Singh and his 12 year old son by the Sandhawalias by saying that Maharaja Sher Singh was not even a son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Guess who he uses as evidence ??? The british!!!

Damandeep says that the British only recognised Maharaja Kharak Singh and Maharaja Dalip Singh as Maharaja Sahib's biological children. But I'm sure he's aware that the british even began to doubt that Dalip Singh was the son of Maharaja Sahib. It was the british who said that Maharaja Dalip Singh's father was a water-carrier.

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36 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

 

I have interacted with this guy on social media. he is NOT a nice guy. He absolves the murder of Maharaja Sher Singh and his 12 year old son by the Sandhawalias by saying that Maharaja Sher Singh was not even a son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Guess who he uses as evidence ??? The british!!!

Damandeep says that the British only recognised Maharaja Kharak Singh and Maharaja Dalip Singh as Maharaja Sahib's biological children. But I'm sure he's aware that the british even began to doubt that Dalip Singh was the son of Maharaja Sahib. It was the british who said that Maharaja Dalip Singh's father was a water-carrier.

The Sandhawalias colluded with the British and then sough asylum in the British territories after murdering Maharaja Sher Singh. They are as guilty as the Dogra and Lal Singh and Tej Singh for the destruction of the Sikh state. Maharaja Sher Singh was not a bad ruler apart from the way in which he got the throne. He was 34 when he became Maharaja and managed to rule for over 2 and a half years which was too short for him to bring about a period of peace the state needed and his death unleashed more anarchy. Had he managed to rule for a couple of decades, the Sikh state would have been safe from annexation and there probably would not have been an Anglo-Sikh war during his lifetime. 

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1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

This was true actually,

But how do we know she actually was having an affair with him ?  A lot of people like the British and Sikhs who opposed her spreading all sorts of rumors about her.

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36 minutes ago, proactive said:

The Sandhawalias colluded with the British and then sough asylum in the British territories after murdering Maharaja Sher Singh. They are as guilty as the Dogra and Lal Singh and Tej Singh for the destruction of the Sikh state. Maharaja Sher Singh was not a bad ruler apart from the way in which he got the throne. He was 34 when he became Maharaja and managed to rule for over 2 and a half years which was too short for him to bring about a period of peace the state needed and his death unleashed more anarchy. Had he managed to rule for a couple of decades, the Sikh state would have been safe from annexation and there probably would not have been an Anglo-Sikh war during his lifetime. 

He got a bit to friendly with the British though, he let them in the kingdom the way his father never did. 

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M.Ranjit Singh was never really interested in Mehtab Kaur! and married her because he joined forces with her mother Sada Kaur, so thats why Sher Singh was born years later, while he really loved his 2nd wife Datar/Raj Kaur and their son Kharkh Singh was born before Sher Singh was born.

the British were very well aware of this and used it to spread rumours about Sher Singh not being Ranjit Singhs son!

Mehtab Kaur and Sada Kaur were miserable because they knew Ranjit Singh would make Kharak Singh son of Datar/Kaur Maharaja and not Sher Singh, they even went behind Ranjit Singhs back and started seeking advise from the goreh! but Ranjit Singh was smart and got Sada Kaur his mother in law locked up!

There was too much family politics going on.

 Sher Singh would of been a much better choice than Kharak Singh, Kharak Singh was a weak man, even his son Nau Nihal Singh basically dethroned him! he was basically poisoned, iv read that his own son Nah Nihal Singh played a role in it?    

 

[dharamyudh 1,125]

Reading more about this so-called royal family, you can see so much bakwas. No wonder the empire fell. In my opinion, the Akal Takht and Khalsa should have ruled the whole thing. I always found it weird how we had royal family within a Sikh Raj. It should've been the Khalsa. If everyone had worked together, as a collective, and with the right gursikhs leading, the possibilities could've been endless. You would still have leaders like Ranjit Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and so on. Still could modernize and all that, it was all possible. If the Khalsa was to rule, Panjab would probably become a Sikh majority, which in itself could've changed the course of history. We really had to rely on a raja, leading a Khalsa Raj when he himself wasn't that religious. No wonder the Nihangs clashed with him, and you can clearly see what happened after his death. Treachery, betrayal, and a thirst for power. Once a prominent monarch is killed/dies, the whole thing can basically crumble due to this thirst. However, the Khalsa does not crumble. Regardless of the situation, the Khalsa always remains intact.

I still got respect for Maharaja Ranjit Singh, as stated before, he has done a lot. United the misls at a young age and established some sort of Sikh Raj not seen since the rise of Banda Singh Bahadur and the Singhs. But, he was more like your average king. Alcohol, dancers, all of that. I can't get down with that at all. 

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Is it true that Guru Sahib said that no one is to build a shrine at Nanded? and whoever does their family lineage will end? 

Because Maharaja Ranjit Singh did that, and his family ended. Ranjit Singh really did have a lot of love for Guru Gobind Singh ji, if guru sahib really did say that then for Ranjit Singh building Hazur Sahib was a lot more important than his family lineage.

I think the best thing he did was make Punjab secure for us Sikhs to live freely and openly practice our religion, from the time of Guru Arjan Dev Ji Sikhs were constantly attacked and then things became even worse with Aurangzeb and his predecessors and then there were the Afghan invasions, Ranjit Singh put an end to that and created a state where Sikhs could freely live without fear. I mean what more could the Sikhs of his time ask for?   

Pakistanis should know that the territory across the Indus the Pashtun areas are only in Pakistan because of the Sikh empire, had the Sikhs not captured those lands then it is very unlikely those lands would be in Pakistan today, and Kashmir is in India because Ranjit Singh captured it from the Afghans. 

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On 6/29/2020 at 6:21 PM, puzzled said:

But how do we know she actually was having an affair with him ?

The Khalsa Panchayat - the Sikh Council of army chiefs threatened to kill Raja Lal Singh over this affair.

 

On 6/29/2020 at 6:25 PM, puzzled said:

He got a bit to friendly with the British though,

Sher Singh was very admiring of the British and their war technology. Being a natural and gifted soldier this was natural.

 

On 6/29/2020 at 6:42 PM, puzzled said:

Mehtab Kaur and Sada Kaur were miserable because they knew Ranjit Singh would make Kharak Singh son of Datar/Kaur Maharaja and not Sher Singh

This is a common theme in royal households. Queens wanting their son to be King so it would raise their own profile prestige and power.

 

On 6/29/2020 at 7:17 PM, dharamyudh said:

No wonder the empire fell. In my opinion, the Akal Takht and Khalsa should have ruled the whole thing

Think about this. Maharaja Ranjit singh committed some kurehit. Akali Phoola Singh had him tied to a tree, ready to be whipped. Why didn't Akali Phoola Singh claim the throne of Lahore?

 

On 6/29/2020 at 7:17 PM, dharamyudh said:

However, the Khalsa does not crumble. Regardless of the situation, the Khalsa always remains intact.

The Dal Khalsa did crumble.  After makng many victories and taking rule of large swathes of territory what happened to the Dal Khalsa within a decade ? They all starting fighting each other and became weak.

 

On 6/29/2020 at 7:51 PM, puzzled said:

Is it true that Guru Sahib said that no one is to build a shrine at Nanded? and whoever does their family lineage will end? 

Just an old wives tale.

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On 6/29/2020 at 10:42 AM, puzzled said:

M.Ranjit Singh was never really interested in Mehtab Kaur! and married her because he joined forces with her mother Sada Kaur, so thats why Sher Singh was born years later, while he really loved his 2nd wife Datar/Raj Kaur and their son Kharkh Singh was born before Sher Singh was born.

the British were very well aware of this and used it to spread rumours about Sher Singh not being Ranjit Singhs son!

Mehtab Kaur and Sada Kaur were miserable because they knew Ranjit Singh would make Kharak Singh son of Datar/Kaur Maharaja and not Sher Singh, they even went behind Ranjit Singhs back and started seeking advise from the goreh! but Ranjit Singh was smart and got Sada Kaur his mother in law locked up!

There was too much family politics going on.

 Sher Singh would of been a much better choice than Kharak Singh, Kharak Singh was a weak man, even his son Nau Nihal Singh basically dethroned him! he was basically poisoned, iv read that his own son Nah Nihal Singh played a role in it?    

 

First son from Mehtab kaur, ishar singh died who was born right around time Kharak singh was 

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On 6/29/2020 at 5:36 AM, puzzled said:

Damandeep Singh Sandhwalia a descendant of Ranjit Singhs family,  its always great to see descendants of prominent Sikh figures in proper Sikh appearance, Ranjit Singh was from the Sandhwalia clan, this guy is a descendant of Ranjit Singhs cousin. Sandhwalias were quite bitter about about Ranjit Singh getting the throne and not them! They held a prominent position in his darbar but were always trying to get the throne !

 

 

think this guy is a descendant of Jind Kaur

 

Descendants of Bhai Maharaj Singh ji who rebelled against the British after the ando sikh wars, his family are in Sikhi saroop too

  

How can sandhawalias claim the throne

It wasnt their ancestor sardar chand singh who became a prominent sikh in dal khalsa in times of great turbulence, nor was he at the forefront like charhat Singh when fighting abdali

They werent the misldars of gujranwala and sialkot sukerchakya misl lol I wonder by what reasoning they had a claim to the throne 

Rani sada kaur or raja fateh singh ahluwalia would have had a bigger claim to the throne 

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On 6/29/2020 at 10:42 AM, puzzled said:

M.Ranjit Singh was never really interested in Mehtab Kaur! and married her because he joined forces with her mother Sada Kaur, so thats why Sher Singh was born years later, while he really loved his 2nd wife Datar/Raj Kaur and their son Kharkh Singh was born before Sher Singh was born.

the British were very well aware of this and used it to spread rumours about Sher Singh not being Ranjit Singhs son!

Mehtab Kaur and Sada Kaur were miserable because they knew Ranjit Singh would make Kharak Singh son of Datar/Kaur Maharaja and not Sher Singh, they even went behind Ranjit Singhs back and started seeking advise from the goreh! but Ranjit Singh was smart and got Sada Kaur his mother in law locked up!

There was too much family politics going on.

 Sher Singh would of been a much better choice than Kharak Singh, Kharak Singh was a weak man, even his son Nau Nihal Singh basically dethroned him! he was basically poisoned, iv read that his own son Nah Nihal Singh played a role in it?    

 

I've mostly read positive stuff on kanwar nau nihal singh other than this muslim who villainizes him for apparently forcing chand kaur to commit sati (the piece seems like a total fantasy lol) 

Raja sher singh was a capable military strategist