women Are women impure?

[Guest Istree]

I have heard from many SINGHS that women should not do Langar Sewa during periods, they should not go at Shaheedi asthans during this time of the month. Many more things like women are a vastu just to do bhog and they are impure as they go through monthly menstrual cycle.

What is the real Khalsa Maryada for women ? Are women degraded by our Gurus ?

[AcceptWill201 10]

Women arent degraded by our Gurus, there are shabads you can search to read in this regard.

Marayada to be followed is what is given by the Panj pyare and same for any Khalsa in attendance.

You will meet many people who say many things, and with as many views thats just human nature. 

[GurjantGnostic 584]

It's consciousness itself that is impure, and increasingly, as Kalyug marches on. Even animals are starting to do things that only man was low enough to undertake in the past. 

[brotha 127]

What impurity are we talking about?

The menstrual periods are something natural and cyclical in women.

It is deep ignorance if they are blamed for it.

Gurbani says that if a cloth is tainted with urine or mal mootar it can be washed with water and soap, but if it is the paaps/sins, mental impurities, vikaars, this can be only washed with the water of devotion and the soap of Nam, and it is here where women and men are equal in this aspect, but then it is men by large who are mentally sick in comparison with women, for the 5 vikaars are more active and dominant in men.

It is this sick mental state, what is seen as impure in the eyes of the Lord/God.

Let's stop criticising and blaming women just for the sake of ignorance.

Of course women have their minus points as being human beings which they can not avoid, but in general we men are worse than them.

What a big deal if they have their periods, it was in olden times when they couldn't go out or anything while having them, today the science has advanced so much, that they can even do sports, or any other activity without anybody noticing it, so please for god's sake, let us not worsen things more than what they already are, it is already a difficult job being a woman in many spheres of the so called "society" which is manipulative and unjust many a times.

[MisterrSingh 3,913]

No, they aren't impure just for being women. 

2 hours ago, brotha said:

Of course women have their minus points as being human beings which they can not avoid, but in general we men are worse than them.

Equally flawed in very different ways. 

[Sat1 63]

2 hours ago, brotha said:

What impurity are we talking about?

The menstrual periods are something natural and cyclical in women.

It is deep ignorance if they are blamed for it.

Gurbani says that if a cloth is tainted with urine or mal mootar it can be washed with water and soap, but if it is the paaps/sins, mental impurities, vikaars, this can be only washed with the water of devotion and the soap of Nam, and it is here where women and men are equal in this aspect, but then it is men by large who are mentally sick in comparison with women, for the 5 vikaars are more active and dominant in men.

It is this sick mental state, what is seen as impure in the eyes of the Lord/God.

Let's stop criticising and blaming women just for the sake of ignorance.

Of course women have their minus points as being human beings which they can not avoid, but in general we men are worse than them.

What a big deal if they have their periods, it was in olden times when they couldn't go out or anything while having them, today the science has advanced so much, that they can even do sports, or any other activity without anybody noticing it, so please for god's sake, let us not worsen things more than what they already are, it is already a difficult job being a woman in many spheres of the so called "society" which is manipulative and unjust many a times.

Good post.

 

The vikaars are not more active and dominant in men. It’s Kalyug, these thieves are rampant In many humans regardless of gender. 

[brotha 127]

10 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

No, they aren't impure just for being women. 

Equally flawed in very different ways. 

Bro, I said we are worse than them, because see how most of the bad deeds are comited by men, like wars, invading other countries, rapists, fights and so many other things, which you will never see a woman do by large and far....so let us widen our horizons and see the picture as whole.

Though I have also said, that they being women have some specific particularities, but these have nothing to do with the title of this thread.

[brotha 127]

15 minutes ago, Sat1 said:

Good post.

 

The vikaars are not more active and dominant in men. It’s Kalyug, these thieves are rampant In many humans regardless of gender. 

I would say yes they are more dominant in men.

Let us take for example "kaam", when will you see that women can commit gang rapes or just rapes as men do...

Then going to krodh, men can just kill for nothing...

But maybe in hankar, lobh and moh, the situation seems equal...

But then too, I do defend women from unjustice, and the violence they suffer at the hands of "males", for no apparent other reasons than that of being a woman in all societies, but much evident in the muslim dominant population.

This is a crude reality of life, so many women everyday suffer at the hands of, not men, but beast males.

It is also true, women can be the worst enemies of women in spite of all the feminist movements to defend their human rights.

[MisterrSingh 3,913]

12 hours ago, brotha said:

Bro, I said we are worse than them, because see how most of the bad deeds are comited by men, like wars, invading other countries, rapists, fights and so many other things, which you will never see a woman do by large and far....so let us widen our horizons and see the picture as whole.

Though I have also said, that they being women have some specific particularities, but these have nothing to do with the title of this thread.

If you're in your teens, I appreciate your perspective. If, however, you're in your 20s or 30s and that's the sum of your conclusions on gender and power throughout human history, then you need to do some growing up fast. 

[justasking 3]

women need to be controlled and need the rules laid down on them or they will go uncontrollable seen too many singhs n punjabi uncles lettin there wives go round dolled up u no men stare maybe they like it looooollll

[brotha 127]

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

If you're in your teens, I appreciate your perspective. If, however, you're in your 20s or 30s and that's the sum of your conclusions on gender and power throughout human history, then you need to do some growing up fast. 

Bro,

I do like your posts, which usually are well expressed and denote a brilliant mind.

But today you have not reached to your usual high level.

it is true, we all need to grow constantly, and that includes you yourself.

You must bear in mind, not all are at same mental levels, neither can you do something to accelerate that growth to which you refer, hardlly can anyone physically grow "fast", so what to say to about the mental level.

You can try hard to nail someone on the head with a hammer and pour in what you want them to think in that way, even then, you can not force such things on someone.

So grow up yourself also, and accept the facts of life, that things do not always work per one´s wishes, least in this sense.

If you have something in mind, expound it, share your opinions, for nobody is a mind reader, and leave it, give time to be digested, so do not just say grow fast  without showing your cards, for that is not being fair nor intelligent.

[Sat1 63]

On 10/31/2020 at 12:23 AM, brotha said:

I would say yes they are more dominant in men.

Let us take for example "kaam", when will you see that women can commit gang rapes or just rapes as men do...

Then going to krodh, men can just kill for nothing...

But maybe in hankar, lobh and moh, the situation seems equal...

But then too, I do defend women from unjustice, and the violence they suffer at the hands of "males", for no apparent other reasons than that of being a woman in all societies, but much evident in the muslim dominant population.

This is a crude reality of life, so many women everyday suffer at the hands of, not men, but beast males.

It is also true, women can be the worst enemies of women in spite of all the feminist movements to defend their human rights.

Hi, I agree to an extent. But women can have deep dark thoughts that they don’t share with the world also. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the movie the purge. Sometimes humans wish to commit awful deeds deep down, but don’t because society says it’s wrong, not because they don’t want to. That’s why it’s important to quiet the mind. 
 

Yes, a huge number of women still suffer abuse at the hands of men, it’s unbelievable in a world that claims to safeguard its citizens, and to propagate human rights. Patriarchal societies are still as rampant as ever, and many women still treated as subhumans. Very sad. In the Muslim population, yes, and also amongst Indians, and many other cultures. 

[jkvlondon 5,302]

On 10/28/2020 at 8:08 PM, Guest Istree said:

I have heard from many SINGHS that women should not do Langar Sewa during periods, they should not go at Shaheedi asthans during this time of the month. Many more things like women are a vastu just to do bhog and they are impure as they go through monthly menstrual cycle.

What is the real Khalsa Maryada for women ? Are women degraded by our Gurus ?

the concept of vastu is highly linked with brahamical thoughts on sutak , pollution etc  i.e. Vahim  which Guru ji destroyed our link to . This is such a stupid idea so you telling me that in every year in their household they will cook in the rasoi of the home for 84 days as their wives are too impure to make langar for her family (remember gurmat rehit is we should do paat whilst making  and ardas and bhet to Guru ji before giving family ). In Asa di vaar Guru Nanak Dev ji shreds this idea of sutak (period pollution) as he says if we believed in sutak then the whole sansar would have sutak on them not just women .  This is a natural automatic  kriya /function of our anatomy given by Akal Purakh without which we would not be healthy (during child bearing years),  or  able to produce future generations . It should never be a basis on which to interfere with Her spiritual life or sewa . You can go any Gurdwara anytime because Guru ji is everywhere where is there a place you could go to not  be in his 'house' besides Waheguru ji doesn't abandon us because we humans are dirty , wretched or sinful  so why would He for such a reason as menses?

[jkvlondon 5,302]

7 hours ago, justasking said:

women need to be controlled and need the rules laid down on them or they will go uncontrollable seen too many singhs n punjabi uncles lettin there wives go round dolled up u no men stare maybe they like it looooollll

they are only dolled up because that is what their husbands selected them for how they looked , it is a bit funny they now complain of the same  things when that is why they got hooked. When you have the wrong idea on how to select a life partner then don't blame anyone else but yourself for being shallow .  Women need true gurmat sikhiya then their futures will be run on gurmat basis and home life will be a sanctuary from kalyug for everyone  .

[MisterrSingh 3,913]

5 hours ago, brotha said:

Bro,

I do like your posts, which usually are well expressed and denote a brilliant mind.

But today you have not reached to your usual high level.

it is true, we all need to grow constantly, and that includes you yourself.

You must bear in mind, not all are at same mental levels, neither can you do something to accelerate that growth to which you refer, hardlly can anyone physically grow "fast", so what to say to about the mental level.

You can try hard to nail someone on the head with a hammer and pour in what you want them to think in that way, even then, you can not force such things on someone.

So grow up yourself also, and accept the facts of life, that things do not always work per one´s wishes, least in this sense.

If you have something in mind, expound it, share your opinions, for nobody is a mind reader, and leave it, give time to be digested, so do not just say grow fast  without showing your cards, for that is not being fair nor intelligent.

Time is of the essence, bro. We can't labour under these woolly, poorly understood misappropriations of reality. Resorting to the "objective vs subjective" argument is putting mankind at a disadvantage. It's ensuring we twiddle our thumbs as things burn around us.

But I understand your point. Standing still, mentally, is not an approach I endorse. Sometimes it leads down blind alleys, but even the resulting journey -- even if the destination wasn't as intended -- is one where an unexpected lesson or two is obtained.