Sikhi parchar among Hindu Jaats

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This is quite an informative video from Akaal  channel. This Hindu Jaat from Haryana converted to Sikhism after he was imprisoned during the Jat reservation agitation a few years ago. There are a few more of his videos on youtube where he feels the future of the Hindu Jaats of Haryana, UP and Rajasthan lies in their becoming Sikhs. 

In his othe videos he outlines that the Hindu Jaats after 1870s became Arya Samajis instead of going towards Sikhism which was their natural home. He make many interesting points. 

I remember chatting to a Hindu Jaat many years ago in London who was a student. He has a sense of pride in his Jaat caste and looked on the Khalsa army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (wrongly) as the 'Jat' army. He hated the local Hindu Rajputs of his region (Hissar district) and wanted the Sikh Jats to help his people 'defeat' the Rajputs.  He also wasn't very fond of the Bahmans and Banias of his area. 

I also remember that during the 1980s even though Punjab and Haryana were at logger heads over the SYL canal but in the late 1980s the Hindu Jaat youths were in many ways copying the ways and manner of the Sikh youth in such basic things as honouring speakers at their conferences with a lathi instead of a Kirpan and a chaddar instead of a siropa. It shows how the influence of Punjab was still there in Haryana. 

Sikhism has always had an attraction for the rural farming population. The Jats in Punjab even in districts where they were less than the Hindu Jats, through Singh Sabha parchar become the majority of Jats. Could something similar happen in the Hindu Jaat areas? 

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It would be great if more people from Haryana and Rajasthan become Singhs, they are very strong tough people. Quite rebellious as well which is a great quality imo  

I've listened to some of their music and they mention Bhagat Singh in it.  

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It’s a sign of progress when you get educated well read individuals like the Haryanvi who have found not only the spiritual message, but also the “civilization building”(to use his words) aspect of Guru Maharaj ji’s Sikhi. We hear the same points from our parchariks, but it’s more of preaching to the converted.

This Manoj Singh makes excellent observations. Guruji honoured “working class” bhagats and immortalized them in one place, while the present day followers of some Bhagats choose to segregate and remain outside of the very Guru’s Sikhi.

Manoj Singh makes a point that the writings and wisdom of some bhagats, like Dhanna Ji, would not be well known or even existing if not for Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Even the memorial for Bhagat Dhanna Ji at their birthplace is a well built Gurdwara (alongside a small mandir, also supported by sangat).

Imagine making inroads into the Jaats of Haryana and Rajasthan. It would be a game changer for our strength and take us one step closer  to the ocean ports. I just never understood why our lot in Punjab get so bogged down by futile internal politics without seeing the grand game. Investing our resources into the living condition of the destitute, and outreach to the well-off  in Punjab and neighbouring states should be a clear as day strategy.

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One thing that these Jaats admire about Sikhs is our unity. Yes, we are always to the ones who keep going about how divided we are but compared to other people we still have a sense of unity and brotherhood which a lot of these people lack. Also historically they look up to Punjab as well as Sikh Jats because the Malwa states ruled over a large part of their areas. The Bharatpur Rajas used to ask for help from the Dal Khalsa and these Jaats admire the fact that we ruled most of Punjab while their ancestors ruled smaller areas. 

A few years ago I was reading one of their forums online which was just after the Muzaffarpurnagar riots which was between the Jaats and the Muslims and although they had given the Muslims a beating still they had a sense of fear that they were being swamped by Muslims and their areas would become Muslim majority. One of the members bought up that they needed to be united 'like the Sikhs' and another said that the BJP and the Samajwadi party had let them down and they needed to think of the future and maybe they should ne converting to Sikhism. It was a strange thought process but I think these Jaats at this stage are looking to see where their future lies and maybe their future is Sikhi. 

They are more in number than Sikh Jats, they were 2.9 million in 1931 compared to Sikh Jats being 2.2 million so there is a great potential for Sikhi to grow provided Sikh organisations take active steps to do parchar there. 

The is definately a potential for parchar among them and Manoj Singh needs our support. He is well read and unlike many in the Jaat community he does not advocate casteism. 

An interesting sidenote, the son of a Hindu Jaat landholding family of Kuchesar in Bulundshahr district of UP in the early 1900s married one of the daughters of the Bhadaur Raja and became a Sikh. His family is still Sikh and they hold the Kuchesar fort in UP. Here is a picture of him and his family and retainers. I think the manager of Nankana Sahib estate Sardar Narain Singh was instrumental in converting the next generation of this family to Sikhism in the 1930s. 

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

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1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

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I'm as guilty as anyone for participating in that nonsense, lol. But this type of constructive analysis is important for us. 

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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

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On 11/20/2020 at 6:15 PM, proactive said:

This is quite an informative video from Akaal  channel. This Hindu Jaat from Haryana converted to Sikhism after he was imprisoned during the Jat reservation agitation a few years ago. There are a few more of his videos on youtube where he feels the future of the Hindu Jaats of Haryana, UP and Rajasthan lies in their becoming Sikhs. 

In his othe videos he outlines that the Hindu Jaats after 1870s became Arya Samajis instead of going towards Sikhism which was their natural home. He make many interesting points. 

I remember chatting to a Hindu Jaat many years ago in London who was a student. He has a sense of pride in his Jaat caste and looked on the Khalsa army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (wrongly) as the 'Jat' army. He hated the local Hindu Rajputs of his region (Hissar district) and wanted the Sikh Jats to help his people 'defeat' the Rajputs.  He also wasn't very fond of the Bahmans and Banias of his area. 

I also remember that during the 1980s even though Punjab and Haryana were at logger heads over the SYL canal but in the late 1980s the Hindu Jaat youths were in many ways copying the ways and manner of the Sikh youth in such basic things as honouring speakers at their conferences with a lathi instead of a Kirpan and a chaddar instead of a siropa. It shows how the influence of Punjab was still there in Haryana. 

Sikhism has always had an attraction for the rural farming population. The Jats in Punjab even in districts where they were less than the Hindu Jats, through Singh Sabha parchar become the majority of Jats. Could something similar happen in the Hindu Jaat areas? 

It would double or even triple the number of Sikhs in India. 

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Its interesting how as a non Sikh he noticed that the government is against Sikhi, which only made him want to know more about it. Even your average Sikh probably doesn't believe that kind of stuff and thinks its all conspiracy. 

The interview could of been more interesting but I guess 30 mins is a bit short anyway. 

The Jaat community seems to be all over the place and needs a unifying identity which Sikhi can give them, which will help them socially and politically as well. Take the Ravidassias for example with Bhagat Ravidas ji.

Building a Gurdwara in Rotak after Bhagat Dhanna ji is a great idea, Bhagat Dhanna ji can be like their saint and through him they will have a link with Sikhi. 

Having a unifying religious figurehead or saint can do a lot for a community in India. 

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These Jaats are an interesting people. From my research they are split into three groups. The Punjabi Jaats, these are Jats from Punjab who moved into western UP possibly before the Jats in Punjab converted to Sikhism en masse or when Jats had only started to convert to Sikhism. They have the same gots as us, such as Sidhu, Sandhu, Chahal, Dhillon etc and are probably about 15-20% of the Jaats. The ones in UP are virtually Nanakpanthi Sikhs and they use the Guru Granth Sahib in their ceremonies. The ones in Haryana are more Hindu than Sikh. The next are the Deswali Jaats, they are the majority of Jaats and have gots of which only a few are found among Sikhs such as Jakhar, Ahlawat, Malik, Sangwan etc. They are probably about 50-60% of Jaats and they have no connection to Sikhism because no parchar had ever taken place among them. They are in south western UP, Haryana and Bharatpur and Dholpur districts of Rajasthan. The Punjab Jaats are mostly in Moradabad district and northern Haryana. The last group are the Bagri Jaats, they mostly inhabit Hissar and Sirsa districts of Haryana and Bikaner districts of Rajasthan. There are some Bagri Jaats in Fazilka and Abohar tehsils of Punjab. Some of these Bagri Jaats are Sikhs in Punjab but no parchar has ever taken place among the ones outside of Punjab. 

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We have relatives in Haryana, they live in Hisar and Rohtak, basically my nanis cousins and their sons, grandkids. I've been told some of them were from UP but sold all their jameen and settled in Haryana. Despite being distant relatives, my nanis nanke and dhadke, they still invite us and we invite them. I've never been Haryana but my mother has visited them. She said its absolutely identical to Punjab, same people, houses, fields etc But they talk Hindi there, while the Sikhs speak Punjabi, the Hindus speak Hindi but they fully understand Punjabi. The Hindu neighbours were really friendly, when my mum visited our relatives all the Hindu neighbours came to say hello. My mother said everyone is really friendly and mixed there.  

Other than that its a proper macho culture! They all have swords, guns and rifles in their houses and displayed on the walls lol! My Nanis cousin took a big rifle out of the draw and showed it to my mum lol   I wish I went as well lol 

The men wear chaddars and have big moustache! and they walk around with axes and canes, its like the culture there. Which is pretty cool imo  much better than the skinny jeans and f@g hairstyles you see in Punjab today. 

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9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

We have relatives in Haryana, they live in Hisar and Rohtak, basically my nanis cousins and their sons, grandkids. I've been told some of them were from UP but sold all their jameen and settled in Haryana. Despite being distant relatives, my nanis peke and dhadke, they still invite us and we invite them. I've never been Haryana but my mother has visited them. She said its absolutely identical to Punjab, same people, houses, fields etc But they talk Hindi there, while the Sikhs speak Punjabi, the Hindus speak Hindi but they fully understand Punjabi. The Hindu neighbours were really friendly, when my mum visited our relatives all the Hindu neighbours came to say hello. My mother said everyone is really friendly and mixed there.  

Other than that its a proper macho culture! They all have swords, guns and rifles in their houses and displayed on the walls lol! My Nanis cousin took a big rifle out of the draw and showed it to my mum lol   I wish I went as well lol 

The men wear chaddars and have big moustache! and they walk around with axes and canes, its like the culture there. Which is pretty cool imo  much better than the skinny jeans and f@g hairstyles you see in Punjab today. 

What do you feel their thinking is behind adopting that particular style? I don't think we can entirely blame Western influence because they get triggered when anyone suggests they are trying to assume a non-Indian or non-Punjabi manner derived from Westernised fashion. But it's not classic Punjabi style, is it? So, could it be a natural progression of Indian style in the modern era being influenced by the larger urban or metropolitan areas?

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33 minutes ago, puzzled said:

We have relatives in Haryana, they live in Hisar and Rohtak, basically my nanis cousins and their sons, grandkids. I've been told some of them were from UP but sold all their jameen and settled in Haryana. Despite being distant relatives, my nanis nanke and dhadke, they still invite us and we invite them. I've never been Haryana but my mother has visited them. She said its absolutely identical to Punjab, same people, houses, fields etc But they talk Hindi there, while the Sikhs speak Punjabi, the Hindus speak Hindi but they fully understand Punjabi. The Hindu neighbours were really friendly, when my mum visited our relatives all the Hindu neighbours came to say hello. My mother said everyone is really friendly and mixed there.  

Other than that its a proper macho culture! They all have swords, guns and rifles in their houses and displayed on the walls lol! My Nanis cousin took a big rifle out of the draw and showed it to my mum lol   I wish I went as well lol 

The men wear chaddars and have big moustache! and they walk around with axes and canes, its like the culture there. Which is pretty cool imo  much better than the skinny jeans and f@g hairstyles you see in Punjab today. 

If you take a train from Punjab to Delhi, Haryana is virtually indistinguishable from Punjab. 

I have relatives near Delhi and one of their friends is Haryanvi. That is the only Haryanvi I've ever met. Seemed like a nice chap.

But I know people in Delhi and Gurgaon are scares of them.

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10 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

What do you feel their thinking is behind adopting that particular style? I don't think we can entirely blame Western influence because they get triggered when anyone suggests they are trying to assume a non-Indian or non-Punjabi manner derived from Westernised fashion. But it's not classic Punjabi style, is it? So, could it be a natural progression of Indian style in the modern era being influenced by the larger urban or metropolitan areas?

I honestly think it is their own style. A bit like how Japanese young people dress really weird, you can't tell which is the boy and which is the girl sometimes with the Japanese.

The Punjabi/Indian singers first come up with the looks, for example Punjabi singer Parmesh Verma started doing his beard in a particular way and then every guy in Punjab started doing it, and when Parmesh Verma released his next song he mentions in it how every guy in Punjab copied his dhari. 

The Celebs do it first, then the shahry lot and then the pendus. But this particular look is far more popular with the Indian pendus, while a lot of the Indian kids in the urban and metropolitan areas go for a goofy geeky look. 

The look is inspired by the west but they add their own wacky look to it which makes them look like g@ndus. And that is the Punjabi look.

A lot of the guys get their eyebrows done as well and arms waxed, my cousin gets his eyebrows done and arms waxed as well. When i used to be a mona and get my haircut and dhari done in india they also used to ask me if i want to get my eyebrows threaded. The guys also get full body massages done by the nai's. Guys in Punjab visit the beauty parlour and get pampered more than the women basically, the pendu girls say this as well. 

So they basically have created their own look, which is inspired by the west but they add their own twist to it. 

The bazurgs think the youngsters look like bandhars these days, which is quite accurate.

Most pendu guys think us westerners are plain Janes (the male version)   My cousin told me how they do a lot more shakeeni then us. 

A recent trend is wearing 2 or 3 earrings on each ear.