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10 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's sad that we have to look up to him so much. Do Muslims go on about Salladin so much? Do Protestants go on about Henry VII?

 

Exactly. It illustrates just how insecure we are as a community. We do not have to behave so insecurely. We have great examples in our Gurus and the numerous Gursikhs of the past and present. It's these examples that Sikhs need to hold up, not the examples of random Punjabis who spent their lives just trying to enrich themselves.

Elevating a sinful warlord and all of his kin is just one example of our insecurity. As another example, look how proud many Sikhs are of Sikh soldiers who served the British Empire and the current tyrannical Indian regime. How strange is it for a community to be simultaneously proud of soldiers serving to protect the British empire and of freedom fighters trying to overthrow the empire?

And speaking of "freedom fighters," isn't it also strange for a religious community to take so much pride in people who have openly and clearly renounced the Sikh faith? If someone wants to admire certain aspects of atheists of Sikh descent who fought against the British Empire, fine, but I don't see why they should be admired by us any more than Hindus or various other non-Sikhs who fought against colonialism. Moreover, there were plenty of devout Sikhs who opposed British rule who could be held up as examples instead.

 

It's the massive insecurity of the Sikh community that has created an environment where we don't feel like we can do basic things like insist that a Sikh religious wedding ceremony should be between two Sikhs. No other major faith allows interfaith religious wedding ceremonies.

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Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

Regardless what anyone feels about the individuals you are questioning, the history is still fairy new and relevant.  Ranjit Singh showed he was able to establish a secular and inclusive Kingdom durin

When it comes to historical figures and empires, for many communities, their future aims/goals are inspired by the past or the past is a reminder of what they're aiming for. Like why do Muslims a

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1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

And speaking of "freedom fighters," isn't it also strange for a religious community to take so much pride in people who have openly and clearly renounced the Sikh faith? If someone wants to admire certain aspects of atheists of Sikh descent who fought against the British Empire, fine, but I don't see why they should be admired by us any more than Hindus or various other non-Sikhs who fought against colonialism. Moreover, there were plenty of devout Sikhs who opposed British rule who could be held up as examples instead.

I think most people are unaware that he was an atheist, most freedom fighters were quite secular, so its no surprise. 

I think he is more popular among the youth because he was young himself. 

In recent years I've seen more and more people interested in Kartar Singh Sarabha. 

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32 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think most people are unaware that he was an atheist, most freedom fighters were quite secular, so its no surprise.

I thought Bhagat Singh became a Sikh b4 he died...

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9 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I thought Bhagat Singh became a Sikh b4 he died...

Apparently he did, but I think his essay on why he became an atheist was written or released after his meeting with bhai Randhir Singh ji. 

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@intrigued it was a while back but i remember reading that the essay was dated a few days after his meeting with Bhai Randhir Singh ji.

So maybe he changed his mind again? Idnno ... 

But he definitely is growing a joora in that last photo taken of him in prison. 

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6 minutes ago, puzzled said:

@intrigued it was a while back but i remember reading that the essay was dated a few days after his meeting with Bhai Randhir Singh ji.

So maybe he changed his mind again? Idnno ... 

But he definitely is growing a joora in that last photo taken of him in prison. 

Yh I heard that the granthi saw that he kept his vaal long when he died...think it was 6 months after meeting Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh

Found an old thread on it: 

 

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11 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Yh I heard that the granthi saw that he kept his vaal long when he died...think it was 6 months after meeting Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh

Found an old thread on it: 

 

So Bhai Sahib met him on 4th October, but there are different dates for when Bhagat Singh wrote the essay. 

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25 minutes ago, KingTarunjot said:

She tried to save the sikh raj but it was too little too late. If only sardar sham singh attariwala knew about the gaddari by jammu hindu dogras and other sikh generals we could have kicked british out of india 200 years ago and established sikh raj as far out as our armies could travel. All of hind would be under khalsa raj and maybe even the whole world....

 

Sham Singh Attariwala's most visible direct descendant is a "secular," liquor-drinking Indian government lapdog who takes every opportunity he can to remind people of his military title (which he no doubt garnered by a being a lapdog) and the fact that he is Sham Singh Attariwala's descendant. His son is clean-shaven and is married to a Bollywood actress/politician (who also comes from a pathetic "Sikh" military family) who takes every opportunity she can to go on twitter and call Sant Ji a terrorist.

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20 minutes ago, puzzled said:

So Bhai Sahib met him on 4th October, but there are different dates for when Bhagat Singh wrote the essay. 

Yh but on the other side he kept his kesh when he died so its kinda interesting to see the contradiction lol

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4 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Yh but on the other side he kept his kesh when he died so its kinda interesting to see the contradiction lol

Unless he had written the essay before his meeting but the British decided to publish it afterwards, to make it look like he died an atheist so Sikhs won't be inspired by him, it's the kind of thing the British would have done. 

 

Because he definitely has a joora in the last photo taken.Bhagat-Singh-in-Jail.jpg.f87533f3ad581cf8ff4a796f80e05bd6.jpg

 

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3 minutes ago, KingTarunjot said:

rest of Sant ji's family all came out as gadars so what does that mean?

Family members of guru's came out gadars  and anti-sikh so does that mean they are as well?

Sham singh was last military stand against imperial british and lost solely because of gadari

read a really good book on him, il see if i can find it

Fair enough.

But I want to point out that Ranjit Singh's empire was not a "Sikh Raj". A "Sikh Raj" would not be an empire with a monarch.

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23 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

A "Sikh Raj" would not be an empire with a monarch.

Or instead Guru Sahib would act as a monarch or head

Guru Panth Khalsa

Panj Piare

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

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5 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Unless he had written the essay before his meeting but the British decided to publish it afterwards, to make it look like he died an atheist so Sikhs won't be inspired by him, it's the kind of thing the British would have done.

Yh that sounds like something the British would do

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