How sikhs helped the jaats of bharatpur

[dallysingh101]

I think it's of paramount importance that certain 'Sikhs' treat people already in the panth with respect too. What routinely goes on is a shame.  

[Suchi]

16 hours ago, S1ngh said:

With the comment like that... You don't seems to feel good seeing Jaats adopting Sikh religion? 

Not for their own destruction that seems to be mandated from the top. New converts will be more heavily influenced by the controllers who are working against Sikhs so how are they in a position to influence anyone?

Anyway it's unfair to use outsiders to bring changes that those within  cannot. Surely that points to a failure of the teachings/culture that needs to be addressed first. 

[Suchi]

15 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Mmm. It took me a moment but I see what @S1ngh Ji is saying. 

I also see what you are saying, especially the first part, but we need to do both simultaneously. And nothing can stop, or should stop, us welcoming people into the Paanth, if they are sincere. 

And like you say we can't ignore the current Paanth and just go looking for new people all the time. We have to maintain this crop, and next years both. 

They may in fact be part of the solution. 

Supporting Akal Takht and the SGPC are two different things. And a bunch of new Sikhs committed to the Paanth, organized into localized Jathas all over are the sort of pressure we need to get Akal Takht Back, and reform, reintegrate the SGPC as is. 

Converts are usually doing their best to move away from bad influences and in the right direction. 

As they take their Amrit and strengthen their Rehit, the existing Paanth should do the same is all. 

We all, and more of us, need to move in this proper direction, and help each other behave more properly and heathily. 

The bad influences are mainly to do with the fact that Hindu temples don't have control of their funds and therefore cannot fulfill their duties. Other minority religions/panths are being subsidised through these funds. The end game is to convert everyone away from Dharmic religions. Sikhs are being destroyed to force them into Christianity. 

If you want to stop this then you need to collaborate with other Dharmic faiths Or introduce ways to stop the destruction, such as bring more Dharmic practices that will empower those being weakened through drugs/alcohol. 

But as most Gurdwaras are aligned with Congress there is little hope of this happening as they are also responsible for the destruction. 

So another way would be to form a new  hybrid panth away from the influence of SGPC and their cronies. But that seems a long hard road if you can't convince the majority of followers. 

[Suchi]

9 hours ago, Rajasthani said:

both can Be done We Are Not Giving rice bag To them For Conversion We can Just do a little Prachar about Our history gurbani (and Treat Them Equally most Important)  Thats it...if they are Intrested And Want to Learn They can come If not Then no problem

Singh Sabha Movement/ master tara Singh Did same 

And New Converts are Better sikhS Then many who were Born in Sikh Family 

like master Tara Singh bhagat /Puran Singh etc They have Done Great Prachar of sikhi 

Rice bag is only for poor and destitute Hindus. 

New converts will be forced to follow diktat of SGPC that is aiding and abetting Christian conversion. The situation is different now as before there was no SGPC and Congress (who in turn is affiliated with ISI). They may be good Sikhs to start with but if the SGPC is not reformed then they will be subject to their evil plans. 

I can't see how one can reform using outsiders unless they join with an agenda. 

 

 

 

 

[Suchi]

10 hours ago, Rajasthani said:

Its pretty hard To bring RajasthanI Jatts In fold Of sikhi.. 

But we can bring Sindhi Hindus They are 5 lakh in Rajasthan And I am sure 60-70℅ are connected to sikhi in Our local Gurdwara every Sunday 10-12 Sindhi Family come...

Vanjaras too there are many vanjaras in Rajasthan  https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/religion/story/19860531-growing-number-of-banjaras-of-andhra-pradesh-slowly-get-drawn-into-sikhism-800896-1986-05-31

It seems that the Banjaras are poor and destitute and hence looking to improve their lot.  They should be provided benefits rather than a forced conversion due to need and not due to seeking spiritual truth. This is total govt induced poverty as done by Christians all over the world. 

Their aim is to bring a One World Religion that can be controlled artificially through AI. I have been subjected to its evils. 

 

 

[S1ngh]

Sikh Dharam and living lifestyle is such a gem that anyone who comes to experience living with them will feel like truly brothers and sisters bond. With Kissan Morcha, this is what happened when Haryana Jaats got the reality live-in, sit-in and see the nature first hand. 

Don't kid yourself for a second that Sikhs are killing each other and we need to fix that issue. Self-blame for our problems and demoralizing ourself and the community is the game plan of some of master players. There are *Some* folks/group/members/parties/religion who would never in million years would like billion of Indians to have the same reality live-in, sit-in, culture exchange with Sikhs of Punjab that JAATS of haryana had in an non-planned jist of moment.

All these *Some* folks/group/members/parties/religion/Govt sponsored entities such as "SGPC" is minor player at the bottom level. These *some folks* would like sikh community to keep themself busy mingling with pity politics at the SGPC level. 

Sikhs need to broaden their Horizons. Sikhs did a lot for India and it is past-due time for Sikhs to expand to whole India.

[GurjantGnostic]

On 6/25/2021 at 12:08 PM, Suchi said:

The bad influences are mainly to do with the fact that Hindu temples don't have control of their funds and therefore cannot fulfill their duties. Other minority religions/panths are being subsidised through these funds. The end game is to convert everyone away from Dharmic religions. Sikhs are being destroyed to force them into Christianity. 

If you want to stop this then you need to collaborate with other Dharmic faiths Or introduce ways to stop the destruction, such as bring more Dharmic practices that will empower those being weakened through drugs/alcohol. 

But as most Gurdwaras are aligned with Congress there is little hope of this happening as they are also responsible for the destruction. 

So another way would be to form a new  hybrid panth away from the influence of SGPC and their cronies. But that seems a long hard road if you can't convince the majority of followers. 

Yeah bro. I think all tha Jathas need to reform their representation model from the ground up. No more democracy. Appointed Panj Pyare and appointed representatives. Rely on money less and keep what money is used in house, and spend it directly on Daswandh and Daan. 

Big fan of collaboration. 

The power structure in Sikhi should return to families, Bungas and Jathas being strong locally and collaborating globally. 

I think an open source online model of what Russel Means talks about in this video, could be used by all of us to reform a digital tribal confederation government, based on consensus. And simply as a world people, have our own decentralized represenative government. 

And it would cost only a website. 

Democracy has not only hamstrung and handed over Gurudwaras, it's put the Mona in a really awkward position. 

A representative model picking from the Khalsa would alleviate all that. 

[GurjantGnostic]

We should have instatribe not instagram. Where we form consensus, group into consenting bodies, collaborate, and open source all information people need to live and be self determined both in and outside the world of imperial governments. 

Hold digital summits on water and land rights, and document and make public to each other any attempts on our freedoms. 

The same model you use to organize your own families, Bungas and Gurudwaras you just open up to prople doing the same for themselves, their ways, and collaborate. 

Native american clans were dedicated to things, like air, water, various plants and animals and it was their job to steward and protect those resources and report to the rest of the tribes about things effecting their animal or element. 

Tribes would have members from a variety of clans, and clans would collaborate with their fellow clan members in other tribes. 

Only takes a website. An initial agreement that evey participant is with from day one, and the rest unfolds according to model russel describes. We write our own initial bill of universal rights. We can disagree about everythting else and just group with like minds. 

[GurjantGnostic]

To focus more importantly just on Sikhi. 

For example. We have divided Jathas. 

We should all see what we 100 percent on agree on. How much Sikhi is simply not contended? We write that down. Things lile Bhang and Jhatka we just don't force either way.

You don't bring the goat to the veggie Gurudwara and you don't go to Hazur Sahib and tell them to stop. 

So we take the 99 percebt of Sikhi we agree on and look out for each other. 

And we have to recognize the intentional system of Khalsa, Keshdhari, Sehajdhari, Mona, allies and associates. 

[proactive]

4 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Sikh Dharam and living lifestyle is such a gem that anyone who comes to experience living with them will feel like truly brothers and sisters bond. With Kissan Morcha, this is what happened when Haryana Jaats got the reality live-in, sit-in and see the nature first hand. 

Don't kid yourself for a second that Sikhs are killing each other and we need to fix that issue. Self-blame for our problems and demoralizing ourself and the community is the game plan of some of master players. There are *Some* folks/group/members/parties/religion who would never in million years would like billion of Indians to have the same reality live-in, sit-in, culture exchange with Sikhs of Punjab that JAATS of haryana had in an non-planned jist of moment.

All these *Some* folks/group/members/parties/religion/Govt sponsored entities such as "SGPC" is minor player at the bottom level. These *some folks* would like sikh community to keep themself busy mingling with pity politics at the SGPC level. 

Sikhs need to broaden their Horizons. Sikhs did a lot for India and it is past-due time for Sikhs to expand to whole India.

I disagree, expanding into India will just mean placing small minorities of converts far away from Punjab and without the power to protect themselves. Rather than expanding into India, we need to put all our efforts and resources in our CORE areas. The areas where we are either a majority or a sizeable minority. That is Punjab, Jammu, the lower hills of Himachal, Ganganagar and Hanumangarh of Rajasthan, Northern Haryana and Western UP/ Terai area. This is the area that we should be concentrating on because any conversions will increase the Sikh population and these areas have been influenced by Sikhi. The population of this area is about 80 million and Sikhs are about 20 million so just 25% or so. Our aim should be bring in communities in these area over the Sikhi. The Jaats in these areas are now the most amenable to coming over to Sikhi. In their villages there is still a feudal system so if they become Sikhs then chances are that the so-called Dalits in their villages will also come over to Sikhi. Such a transition would double the Sikh population bringing us close to 50% of the population in this core area. This is where our future lies, in a core with as large a Sikh imprint as possible.