How sikhs helped the jaats of bharatpur

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

Many Hindus turned out to fight against Baba Banda Bahadur.

Yes veerji.

Though Sikhs helped the jaats of bharatpur but churaman jaat sided with Bahadar Shah and fought against the Sikhs.

https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/historical-events-in-sikh-history/the-sikh-empire-1799-1839/sikhs-relations-with-jats-of-bharatpur/

Churaman (d. 1721), his younger brother and successor to leadership, was an astute politician. He professed allegiance to Emperor Bahadur ShahI (1707-12) and received from him mansab of 1500 zat and 500 sowar. He joined the imperial campaign against the Sikhs at Sadhaura and Lohgarh in 1710

[dallysingh101]

On 6/27/2021 at 12:57 AM, Suchi said:

Communism/atheism so your soul can be taken stopping your reincarnation/ascension to God. 

But you must believe in it, agree to it. For that they can torture you using Directed Energy Weapons via Artificial Intelligence that can use all you data from your body - thoughts, feelings, state (sleeping, awake, breath rate, temp  etc). They can also control your body via direct thoughts,  signals to your brain to move your body or influence your thoughts. 

Hence your awareness is of paramount importance.

 

You've experienced this? So you believed in communism/atheism at one point?  

[dallysingh101]

On 6/29/2021 at 6:50 AM, Suchi said:

In fact failing to learn Hindi has probably led to the mass exodus of Sikhs abroad as they can't easily relocate within India. 

I don't know a single desi Sikh Panjabi who doesn't know how to speak Hindi??

[Suchi]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You've experienced this? So you believed in communism/atheism at one point?  

I've never been a Commie or atheist but considered myself labour Socialist though now rejected both. 

Always described myself as spiritual as I didn't follow any rituals due to family background as mother was Arya Samaj and father an agnostic Gandhi follower. 

I've been harassed following complaints to the ECHR and UN on UK court corruption. And experienced electronic harassment. We are now learning this is worldwide. 

 

[S1ngh]

On 7/3/2021 at 12:01 PM, Suchi said:

Punjab does not belong to the Sikhs that they can do whatever they want! There seems to be a habit of using outsiders to resolve their problems rather than looking within (themselves) as to what is lacking. 

And despite claiming to be free of caste they are looking to recruit only from a particular caste. So how are they able to claim they are Not Hindu?

Though i don't believe in fighting over any piece of land... I believe that is old style of outdated fight that carries too much hassle and purely waste of time. Punjab is just another small piece of land. Our land was and will be much bigger than that and it was taken away by various type of folks..  (Including by folks who pretend reciting "Ram, Ram" and at the same time holding shoori in the hand behind the back.

Peace brother...

[Premi5]

On 7/4/2021 at 12:54 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I don't know a single desi Sikh Panjabi who doesn't know how to speak Hindi??

Punjabis especially rural less educated ones don't speak Hindi that well generally

[proactive]

On 7/3/2021 at 9:01 PM, Suchi said:

Where do you think Christopher Columbus was looking for 'India' in the 15th Century? Though I take your point that there was no central administration responsible for it as a single country. That screams out there should be in order to avoid constant conflict. 

According to existing understanding Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. Whilst I understand the arguments made that Tamil is superior/older etc than Sanskrit my contacts there complain if their not being taught Hindi and hence feel excluded from the rest of India. No doubt it is the Xtian missionaries playing their usual dirty games. However there are places where Sanskrit is being revived with astounding results. Perhaps this should be the language that unites us all. Here is a description of a whole village in Karnataka speaking in Sanskrit. 

https://www.myindiamyglory.com/2017/12/10/mattur-sanskrit-speaking-village-where-ancient-meets-modern/

Despite the Mutiny being confined to certain districts the East India Company felt threatened enough to hand over the reins to the British govt as a direct result. 

 

 

 

 

There is nothing wrong in Sikhs learning Sanskrit because it is a mother language of Punjabi just as Latin in the mother language of the European languages but you are equating Hindi with Sanskrit which is something many Hindi fascists try and do. Sikhs have as much interest in Hindi as they have in Urdu, both are foreign languages to Punjab and Sikhs in Punjab should be learning other languages such as English, Japanese, Mandarin etc which open up a world of opportunities rather than learning a micky mouse made up language like Hindi (and Urdu) which is only good for conversing with Bhaiyas.

[proactive]

On 7/1/2021 at 6:53 PM, Suchi said:

The traitors of the motherland are those who have forsaken Sanskrit on which the Granths are based. And deny 2/3rds of its teachings. As well as many others including those who betrayed Banda Bahadur (by aligning with the Moghuls who he was recruited to fight) and who was the first person to secure true victory for Indians, as well as those who sided with the British for a few bucks in the 1857 First War of Independence.  

And there are those traitors who deny their Hindu roots that even the Gurus did not deny. Perhaps recruiting those to 'get the numbers up', who neither understand these roots or belong to an alien culture is largely to blame. And hence the widespread ignorance within the panth that is in a flux and engaged in petty infighting and ripe for destruction (via drugs and alcohol) and conversion. And which refuses to apply simple remedies because they're not from the Granths!

Punjabi is not the only language of Punjab. My mother's mother tongue was Multani a language of Multan which is now in Pakistan. She had to learn Punjabi after marriage and move to Ludhiana as she only studied Hindi and English at school in Delhi.

Anyway with the mass conversion of Sikhs into Christianity they will probably be less interest in Punjabi when English could be considered their mother tongue. It is this menace from within you should be shielding against. 

In 500 years where is the body of literature, intellectual rigour and philosophical reasoning, art and creativity, architectural and historic buildings that go to mark and sustain a culture? 

I see your knowledge of history owes more to Amar Katha comics than any scholarly works. There was no such thing as a 'first war of independence' . It was a mutiny by troops of the East India company which forced the effeminate Mughal emperor to side with them. Some other rag tag princes who had lost their rule under the British joined the mutiny. Only a fool would describe that as the first war of independence. 

I have no Hindu roots, because my tribe the Jats had their own tribal religion JATHERA. It was the British who created a religion called Hinduism by classing anyone who was not a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Parsi in India as a HINDU and his religion as HINDUISM. They undid some of the damage by at least recognising Sikhi as a separate religion from their collective creation of Hinduism. South Asia was a land of many religions but for administrative convenience the British lumped the hundreds of different religious beliefs into a collective 'Hinduism' 

I see your mother sought refuge in a Sikh area rather than a Hindu area. One of the mistakes of the partition settlement was the allowing of Hindus to settle in Sikh East Punjab and Sikhs being settled in Hindu areas like Haryana. This prevented Punjab from becoming a Punjabi state, because these Hindus had no love for Punjabi and they were betrayed Punjabi language on order to deny the Punjabi speaking state.

[shastarSingh]

12 hours ago, proactive said:

There is nothing wrong in Sikhs learning Sanskrit because it is a mother language of Punjabi just as Latin in the mother language of the European languages

Punjabi is older than Sanskrit.

Rig Veda, the oldest religious book of Hindus has Punjabi in it.

Plz read the answer of Avi Travis in the below link.

https://www.quora.com/Which-language-is-older-Punjabi-or-Sanskrit

[shastarSingh]

26 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Punjabi is older than Sanskrit.

Rig Veda, the oldest religious book of Hindus has Punjabi in it.

Plz read the answer of Avi Travis in the below link.

https://www.quora.com/Which-language-is-older-Punjabi-or-Sanskrit

The answer of Avi Travis was taken from book 'Panjab and panjabi' by G S Sidhu.

It can be downloaded at

https://archive.org/details/panjabandpanjabi_202003