Are jatts the most useless people on the planet?

[dallysingh101]

10 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

A lot of this is wokeism disguised in Sikhi.

Is this your weak response? I told you to read that Jagjit Singh book, if you did you'd see that critiques of this nature were happening within the panth a LONG time before this white right wing 'SJW' 'Wokeism' talk started. You just seem to be hiding behind those 'buzzwords'.

And we talked about not using right-wing white terminology to frame our debates/discussions previously - but here you are again......  

[Ranjeet01]

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

Is this your weak response? I told you to read that Jagjit Singh book, if you did you'd see that critiques of this nature were happening within the panth a LONG time before this white right wing 'SJW' 'Wokeism' talk started. You just seem to be hiding behind those 'buzzwords'.

And we talked about not using right-wing white terminology to frame our debates/discussions previously - but here you are again......  

I don't need to read any of Jagjit's books.

You  seem to be indoctrinated with this marxist ideology. Marxist theology is westernised theology, your mind itself is colonised.

 

[dallysingh101]

Too many of you UK jut lot are pom-poms. Apnay say even more worse stuff than this on their lunch breaks when working together. No one cries and gets butt hurt like you lot do about it. Mostly we just admit the truth or make a joke out of it. You sensitive princesses.....lol

[Ranjeet01]

9 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

And you lie constantly. 

Pretty weak answer.

Why don't you point out where Proactive where he has lied.

 

[Ranjeet01]

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Too many of you UK jut lot are pom-poms. Apnay say even more worse stuff than this on their lunch breaks when working together. No one cries and gets butt hurt like you lot do about it. Mostly we just admit the truth or make a joke out of it. You sensitive princesses.....lol

Come on.. Dally

Is that the best you got

[Premi5]

9 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Come on.. Dally

Is that the best you got

[Ranjeet01]

23 minutes ago, proactive said:

As someone who has never been to Punjab let alone lived there, how the hell does your badmouthing Jats at every opportunity become a one man crusade to eradicate caste? You eradicate caste by treating everyone as equal both in real life and in whatever media you contribute to. But all I have seen in over a decade has been you bringing in Jats into every thread, while this is certainly a unique skill that you seem to have acquired, you would be deluded if you think such acts are fighting caste. All you are doing is inflaming and dividing Sikhs by your constant drudging up the filth of caste. 

You don't have a clue about the rural culture of Punjab and your only knowledge of Punjab villages come from the sensational news you read or the bukwas put up on social media or some idiotic Punjabi singer singing about how great Jats are. Once again, Jats do not go around raping Dalit girls which seems to be an image that is burned into your mind. Punjab was never and will never be the Punjab which your deluded and misinformed mind has created. 

What seems to be taking place in a particular thought process is that in order to eliminate caste (or whatever), the Jats being the dominant group must be taken down in any which way. I am sure that does not bring an equal outcome.

Have you ever watched Animal Farm? This is kind of what they want to play out.

If Jats are a problem in Sikhs and all Jats leave Sikhi en masse, what do you think would happen? 

 

 

[proactive]

9 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

There is a lot of self-hatred on this forum.

I could never dislike my ancestors just because they may have been misguided. 

This behaviour is not healthy. 

A lot of this is wokeism disguised in Sikhi.

This is quite interesting. While the Gurus taught us that our background was of less importance than what our actions and beliefs are, they never taught that we should actively hate our background. If people like Daily want to eradicate caste based discrimination then they need to understand what is caste and what is clan. It is easy for non-Jats to relegate their background and forget or even hate their own background because that background was always steeped in caste. The vast majority of non-Jats' ancestors suffered from caste based discrimination (apart from those Sikhs from the Khatri background) so they naturally want to forget their background and it is easy for them to do so.

But for Jats, it's different, our background is a part of our everyday life especially in rural Punjab. In any Punjabi village the Jats are all be related to each other because they are all descendants of a common ancestor or family group that founded the village many hundreds of years ago.  This is what is called patti in the village, a village could have two or three pattis. The next few villages around any particular village will also have been branches of the same family group. So if you live in the village your ancestral line is all around you and because your ancestors were never oppressed by the caste society and because they never wanted to be a part of the Manuvadi system then there is no great need to look down on your ancestors. Apart from a few villages who were founded by the same family group, you will also have a place which could be many miles away called your Jathera which is the original place from where your known ancestor came from.

The Gills will have their own Jathera, the Dhillons will have their own etc. Each Jat clan will have their own Jathera. So just as in many societies the knowledge of who your ancestors were is important and is passed down through the generations this is also what is passed down in each Punjab village. I doubt Daily could look back to more than 3-4 generations of his family, but because of the structure of the Jat village, I could possibly go back 10-15 generations quite easily. My own village, a village of Dhillon Jats was founded over 400 years ago, we know that the founding family of this village came from a village about 5 kms away to found this village. So as well as knowing that all the Jats in the village who are Dhillons are all descendants of a common ancestor of mine, I know that in the village 5 kms away we can find the descendants of our common ancestor's ancestors! So this shows how ingrained the clan and family descent is in Jats. What other person could go back to their village and know that 50-60% of a village of some 3000 people are all related to him and then the surrounding villages of similar numbers are also related to him?  And then if you want to even go back further, your very clan name links you to relatives who might live hundreds of miles away but who also have the same clan name. Dhillons are found in our Punjab,  West Punjab, Haryana, Western UP and some parts of Rajasthan and Madhya Pardesh. All these Dhillon are the descendants of either one common ancestor or a family group going back over a thousand if not more years. 

All the above which might be boring for non-Jats but which forms a large part of what the tribal identity of a Jat is. You can either negate all this and want Jats to disregard their clan identity because you believe that it is a caste and just the fact that he has an interest in his clan is tantamount to him being a casteist or you can understand what the attachment of a Jat is to his clan and accept that as long as his clan or tribe does not discriminate against any of Sikh then this does not make his a casteist. 

On a last point, I very much doubt that Daily who seem to be an expert on Jats known even 10% of what I wrote above, so in many way we can put his rants into that context. 

 

 

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

Mine weren't, mine were Jats and their religion was tribal Jathera worship. They might have been wrong and deluded in the religious sense but I can never hate them. 

What's Jathera worship?

[proactive]

1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

What's Jathera worship?

This is the tribal religion that all Jats whether they are Sikh, Muslim or Hindu today practicised historically. It is a religion of ancestor worship which many tribal societies around the world practised in their own ways.