Sidhu Moosewala joins Congress party

[GurjantGnostic]

7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Maybe that’s what gangsters look like in Punjab

They do now. Lol. 

[joker]

How to destroy your musical career, just poo on your fanbase.. How can any sikh join a party that carried out a systematic genocide against their people.Is moosewalia short of money or just brain cells

[Kau89r8]

12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

He said what? <banned word filter activated> Moosedrool. Lol. What a poser. 

 

Navjot Sidhu to clarify* 

Sidhu went from bowing down to Sant Ji to licking gandhis boots lol 

[GurjantGnostic]

24 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Navjot Sidhu to clarify* 

Sidhu went from bowing down to Sant Ji to licking gandhis boots lol 

Oh. I though you meant Sidhu Moosewala. 

[Jacfsing2]

6 hours ago, Premi5 said:

How religious are these people? How much paath do they do ? How much do these Jews try to stand out from goray?

How much are they into maya?

Although it's also true to say many 'Sikhs' are not religious yet not 'achieving '  as much as these groups. 

Do you think we should have a Sikh community that is politically stronger, but religiously much less than it is now, say, like the Jews ?

 

Found this resource which is  interesting

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/57a08b1eed915d622c000af5/india-religions_and_development_02.pdf

 

5. Concluding Comments

Notwithstanding some very obvious development deficits, economically Sikhs have done fairly well as a community. The desire for social and economic mobility is extremely strong among them. One of the central features of the Sikh self-image is the image of ‘a hard-working and mobile community’. Mobility is perhaps the single most important secular value among the Sikhs.

Though compared to the followers of other religious traditions in India, the number of Sikhs is quite small; they can be seen in almost every part of the country and in every sphere of economic life. They have also been a globally mobile community, being among the first from the subcontinent to explore the Western hemisphere. There are substantial number of Sikhs in countries like United Kingdom, the United States and Canada and smaller populations of Sikhs can be found in many other countries of the world. The desire to go to foreign lands for better economic opportunities continues to be strong among the Sikhs.

Though the green revolution technology was introduced in different parts of the country, it was in Punjab that it proved most effective. Scholars writing on the subject give due credit to the community culture of the Sikhs, particularly to the Jat Sikh farmers. For a long time Punjab was the richest state in India, with highest per capita income. As shown above, the incidence of poverty among the Sikhs is far less than amongst any other religious community.

The available official data also shows a move away from agriculture and growing occupational diversification among Sikhs. However, notwithstanding these achievements and the pride they take in the ‘modernity’ of their religious ethos, Sikhs are not a homogenous community. Apart from the economic inequalities that characterise the Sikh population, like any other religious community, Sikhs are also confronted with several other developmental challenges.

While ideologically Sikhism does not support caste-based inequality or the idea of untouchability, in social and political life, the community continues to be divided on caste lines. Even though the growing institutionalisation of democratic politics and economic development during the post-independence period have weakened the older structures of hierarchy and social inequality, caste prejudice persists. (see Jodhka, 2000, 2002, 2004). Perhaps even more important than caste is the question of gender inequality. Even though the Sikh religion provides useful resources for fighting against gender-based discrimination, these resources have not been used effectively to ‘reform’ the patriarchal culture of the community. The near-obsession with mobility has also created side-effects, one of which is excessive consumerism and desperation to go abroad

 

The thing about it is, is we don’t need everyone to be hardcore religious, but rather we need everyone to be loyal to the faith and the community as a whole. Jinnah was a cigarette-loving and pork-loving Muslim guy, but he still came for his Panth on issues he felt were important at the time. Whether some Sikhs end up weaker on the scale of religiosity is less of a problem when compared to politics, we can talk quality over quantity anyday in a spiritual setting, but on a global scale, such things will only push those weak in their faith, but willing to assist us in other ways. 

[Suchi]

20 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The thing about it is, is we don’t need everyone to be hardcore religious, but rather we need everyone to be loyal to the faith and the community as a whole. Jinnah was a cigarette-loving and pork-loving Muslim guy, but he still came for his Panth on issues he felt were important at the time. Whether some Sikhs end up weaker on the scale of religiosity is less of a problem when compared to politics, we can talk quality over quantity anyday in a spiritual setting, but on a global scale, such things will only push those weak in their faith, but willing to assist us in other ways. 

There's no such thing as loyalty in politics. It's all about getting and retaining power. As without power it is difficult to implement policies you need or want. 

And about Jinnah, you're wrong there. He was a British stooge forced to lead the Muslim League and was dragged from his plush Hampstead lifestyle to do so, in 1933. The fact he managed to do it without detection is testimony to what the media can pull off as they operate on certain agendas they are paid to support. So all actors really. 

 

[dallysingh101]

9 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 hindus brahmins south indians gujjis compared to us Punjabi  Sikhs in India and in West..they dominating banks, science, med, business, top forbes lists etc...

I don't know if you've watched the latest Russel Peters special (the one set in Mumbai) he says as much at the end. He thinks the southerners are more intelligent than the northerners.  

[dallysingh101]

22 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

e not these rich so called city sikhs who live to end sikhi in their families by trying to assimilate in the cities because they think sikhi is backward.

I think that's too crude. Not all noncity Sikhs are loyal to Sikhi, plenty will do anything to get ahead. And not all city Sikhs are sell outs. 

[MisterrSingh]

7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The thing about it is, is we don’t need everyone to be hardcore religious, but rather we need everyone to be loyal to the faith and the community as a whole. Jinnah was a cigarette-loving and pork-loving Muslim guy, but he still came for his Panth on issues he felt were important at the time. Whether some Sikhs end up weaker on the scale of religiosity is less of a problem when compared to politics, we can talk quality over quantity anyday in a spiritual setting, but on a global scale, such things will only push those weak in their faith, but willing to assist us in other ways. 

Good points here.

I'll add the following: we have a fatal flaw in the mindset of those who consider themselves practising or above averagely religious. There's a considerable amount of gatekeeping on the part of these types of people who demand that anyone who wants to speak on Sikh issues or advocate for even positive things needs to be Sant Jarnail Singh 2.0.

Thing is they don't just alienate well meaning Sikhs but go out of their way to antagonise and make enemies of their own people. Congratulations, you've just alienated 99.9% of Sikhs who would otherwise have worked for collective Sikh interests. I'm certain there's a certain provincial protectiveness or jealousy aspect at play, too. So what you get is someone who has dardh for his history and his people thinks, "F**k it, I'll go where I'm not presided over by a bunch of illiterate pendus with zero ideas." Brain drain of sorts which leaves mostly thickos in charge.

The problem for us in the future will be the hardcore Western Punjabi Communist types (crudely referred to as SJWs) who are pushing for things like gay Anand Karaj's, and various other deviant behaviours, etc. The respectful Punjabis stepped back quietly when it was made clear their input wasn't valued. The Marx-influenced Sikhs have no such scruples. When their ideology will achieve complete global cultural victory (I'm guessing within 20 years), these orthodox gatekeepers won't be able to intimidate or force these types of Punjabis out of anywhere. The weirdo Sikhs who post leftist bukwaas on Twitter will infiltrate real life. Then we're truly in the doo-doo.

Jews learned this lesson thousands of years ago and... well, look at the world today and see how well they've done.

[Ranjeet01]

27 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Good points here.

I'll add the following: we have a fatal flaw in the mindset of those who consider themselves practising or above averagely religious. There's a considerable amount of gatekeeping on the part of these types of people who demand that anyone who wants to speak on Sikh issues or advocate for even positive things needs to be Sant Jarnail Singh 2.0.

Thing is they don't just alienate well meaning Sikhs but go out of their way to antagonise and make enemies of their own people. Congratulations, you've just alienated 99.9% of Sikhs who would otherwise have worked for collective Sikh interests. I'm certain there's a certain provincial protectiveness or jealousy aspect at play, too. So what you get is someone who has dardh for his history and his people thinks, "F**k it, I'll go where I'm not presided over by a bunch of illiterate pendus with zero ideas." Brain drain of sorts which leaves mostly thickos in charge.

The problem for us in the future will be the hardcore Western Punjabi Communist types (crudely referred to as SJWs) who are pushing for things like gay Anand Karaj's, and various other deviant behaviours, etc. The respectful Punjabis stepped back quietly when it was made clear their input wasn't valued. The Marx-influenced Sikhs have no such scruples. When their ideology will achieve complete global cultural victory (I'm guessing within 20 years), these orthodox gatekeepers won't be able to intimidate or force these types of Punjabis out of anywhere. The weirdo Sikhs who post leftist bukwaas on Twitter will infiltrate real life. Then we're truly in the doo-doo.

Jews learned this lesson thousands of years ago and... well, look at the world today and see how well they've done.

What you have mentioned here is very important.

By alienating well meaning Sikhs (the silent majority) this has allowed a vacuum for the SJW Sikhs to fill the space. It's an own goal.

They are ones who are dictating the direction and they need to be dismantled somehow before they become further entrenched. It is from the inaction from the rest of us that is allowing this to happen.

If you notice that last few threads we have become to identify this particular liberal SJW cultural marxist type of Sikh as a menace within.

Part of this problem we cannot control because it is part of a wider malaise that is impacting many non Sikhs as well. Something needs to change or the pendulum will need to swing.

But when that change happens it will happen.

Which then leaves us back to what we have control over.