Racism - callout as it is

[S1ngh 2,416]

Mostly whole world recently saw how BLM founders bankrolled by their misteps representation of being the voice of African Americans. They were laughing all the way back to their banks. A day ago, NY mayor called out on BLM for doing nothing to help the plight of crimes nor they using their platform to bring any change to their community. 

Racism is in every community; however spike of anti-Asian and anti-Sikh hate attacks are also on rise and sadly it’s the other minority (African American)being the criminal party on attacks against three elder NY based Sikh. 

Point of this thread is that our organization or representatives are not calling as what it is. No major personality of African American community spoke out so far against these attacks. See below snapshot of some post on Facebook that I found very true and we should call out truth all the time no matter how hard it is…

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/nyregion/sikh-attacks-nyc.html

https://abc7ny.com/queens-sikh-man-attacked-attack-rally-nirmal-singh/11747910/

[S1ngh 2,416]

“By being consistent with our message. Here is my question that I put out to the city: I thought Black lives mattered. Where are all those who stated Black lives matter?” he asked in response. “Then go do an analysis of who was killed or shot last night. I was up all night speaking to my commanders in the Bronx and Brooklyn. The victims were Black. Many of the shooters were Black.”

“Why are 16, 17, 18-year-olds out on our streets armed with guns at 12:00 or 1:00 a.m.?” - NY mayor Eric Adams

More:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/equality-not-elitism/the-black-lives-matter-scam
 

https://stanfordreview.org/blm-and-theranos-a-tale-of-two-frauds/
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-lives-matter-leaders-condemn-allegations-mismanaged-funds-rcna23882
 

 

[MisterrSingh 8,390]

It's not surprising that Western-based "Sikh" institutions have realised that the Progressive Stack of Minorities & Causes must prioritise non-Sikh demographics at the expense of the people they're supposed to be advocating for.

Imagine Jews being attacked on the streets in New York, and in response the ADL or other Jewish advocacy organisations decide to browbeat Jews into not highlighting the racial or religious background of the perpetrators. Vah, that's wonderfully tolerant and progressive.

They throw their own under the bus because their bogus western social ideology has convinced them the "fashionable" pet minority demographic is under "threat", while all along it's this same fashionable pet demographic that's going around smashing up the elders from their community!

And yet, deep down, these "Sikhs" don't even have the courage to resent the actual demographic who did the crime, because they unashamedly wish it was white supremacists who were committing these acts against their people so they can grandstand on their soapboxes, and probably get more funding from the government! F**k me, I'm exhausted just writing about these mental gymnastics. How do the people who partake in it get through the day?

[dallysingh101 7,267]

39 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not surprising that Western-based "Sikh" institutions have realised that the Progressive Stack of Minorities & Causes must prioritise non-Sikh demographics at the expense of the people they're supposed to be advocating for.

Imagine Jews being attacked on the streets in New York, and in response the ADL or other Jewish advocacy organisations decide to browbeat Jews on the street not to highlight the racial or religious background of the perpetrators. Vah, that's wonderfully tolerant and progressive.

Throw your own under the bus because your bogus western social ideology has convinced you the "fashionable" pet minority demographic is under "threat", while all along it's this fashionable pet demographic that's going around smashing up the elders from your community!

And yet, deep down, these "Sikhs" don't even have the courage to resent the actual demographic who did the crime, because they unashamedly wish it was white supremacists who were committing these acts against your people so they can grandstand on their soapboxes, and probably get more funding from the government! F**k me, I'm exhausted just writing about these mental gymnastics. How do the people who partake in it get through the day?

Is this a US problem or do people think it's wider? 

Personally, seeing how NY was presented whilst I was growing up (esp. Bronx/Brooklyn), seems like exactly the place some crackhead would punch some oldie in the head. 

I think people need to start calling it out now. It's latinos as well sometimes.  

[SinghPunjabSingh 333]

On 4/17/2022 at 4:21 PM, dallysingh101 said:

1. Is this a US problem or do people think it's wider? 

2. Personally, seeing how NY was presented whilst I was growing up (esp. Bronx/Brooklyn), seems like exactly the place some crackhead would punch some oldie in the head. 

3. I think people need to start calling it out now.   

1. The drug-addicted underclass in the US is tens of millions strong (with ready access to guns too) so on a complete different level to UK+Canada poverty levels. And the level of synthetic drugs and mental illness in the States is massively higher.

2. Exactly some junkie crackheads with mental illness might assume that Sikhs are Muslim terrorists but our people should NOT be presenting that as bogus evidence of supposed racism on the basis of the melanin content of the attackers by a 50million strong community who merit our maximum support as our natural allies and victims of hundreds of years of Slavery and Racism.

3. @GurjantGnostic was calling out the racism by some on this site and yet *he* is the only one placed on QC!?

[S1ngh 2,416]

4 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

1. The drug-addicted underclass in the US is tens of millions strong (with ready access to guns too) so on a complete different level to UK+Canada poverty levels. And the level of synthetic drugs and mental illness in the States is massively higher.

2. Exactly some junkie crackheads with mental illness might assume that Sikhs are Muslim terrorists but our people should NOT be presenting that as bogus evidence of supposed racism on the basis of the melanin content of the attackers by a 40million strong community who merit our maximum support as our natural allies and victims of hundreds of years of Slavery and Racism.

3. @GurjantGnostic was calling out the racism by some on this site and yet *he* is the only one placed on QC!?

So, you believe that racism played no role in the recent attacking spree against elder Sikhs?  There is now a new report that the criminal was seen on gurughar premises. 

whether it’s white, black, Asian or any other race attacking anyone because of hatred - call it out as it is. Sad some of our progressiveness brainwashed folks cannot see that and they are blind. Our guru sahib ji taught us to stand tall and for truth.

[MisterrSingh 8,390]

5 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

2. Exactly some junkie crackheads with mental illness might assume that Sikhs are Muslim terrorists but our people should NOT be presenting that as bogus evidence of supposed racism on the basis of the melanin content of the attackers by a 40million strong community who merit our maximum support as our natural allies and victims of hundreds of years of Slavery and Racism.

So while they're working through their issues, shall we just bend over and take it? How many Sikhs are you willing to sacrifice in this self-effacing show of support for a group that doesn't:

A. Give a 5hit about whatever or whoever we happen to be?

B. Are going to default to turning to Abrahamic factions for "allyship" in a potential recovery process rather than a bunch of bearded, "Pagan" Indians?

Even the black people I know would say you're making excuses for people who don't deserve it. But that happens when you see every black criminal as a junkie. Maybe they're just racist b******s looking for an easy target like some white criminals? What's with the Marxist reframing of every god-damn thought and action in terms of Oppressor Vs Victim? When did this 5hit infiltrate this forum?

[SinghPunjabSingh 333]

22 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

1. So while they're working through their issues, shall we just bend over and take it?

2. How many Sikhs are you willing to sacrifice in this self-effacing show of support for a group that doesn't:

A. Give a 5hit about whatever or whoever we happen to be?

B. Are going to default to turning to Abrahamic factions for "allyship" in a potential recovery process rather than a bunch of bearded, "Pagan" Indians?

3. Even the black people I know would say you're making excuses for people who don't deserve it.

4. But that happens when you see every black criminal as a junkie.

5. Maybe they're just racist b******s looking for an easy target like some white criminals?

1. Not at all. If anyone attacks a bazurg that violent criminal ought to be severely punished.

2. None whatsoever. Sikhi teaches us to be tyaar bar tyaar and look out for the weak and oppressed and bazurgs.

A. The 50million African American population do not hate us and we need to foster greater links with them.

B. Supporting Reparations which equalise academic, health and legal outcomes for African Americans is something which I passionately believe we as Sikhs should automatically support and furthermore as they are the most oppressed community in the USA (along with native Americans). Just like how we should focus a lot of energy on supporting 250million Dalits outside Punjab and morally support indigenous Canadians in Canada or the Aboriginal community in Australia or those that were oppressed by Apartheid in South Africa or Tibetans in China, these are things fundamental to who we are as Diaspora Sikhs that pray daily for Sarbat da Bhala.

3. I don't make excuses for any violent criminals. I believe they need strong punishment for these two such despicable attacks. What I am saying is that there is no massive racist conspiracy or mindset against Sikhs by the 50million strong African American community. I am saying we need to redouble our efforts at outreach and parchaar to the community so that they all know what Sikhi is and who Sikhs are.

4. I can pull the statistics and show to you that indeed a majority of the incarcerated violent criminals from an African American background do indeed have drug addiction issues. The average middle class African Americans (the majority) in the main simply do not hate Sikhs. They are as horrified by these attacks as we are and from the State Senator down many have roundly condemned what happened despite these attacks being no big deal against the backdrop of black on black violence encouraged by the bigger real issue of White Supremacy in America. And the same can be said of low income but hard-working non-addicted African Americans too that work alongside Sikhs. They are very good people.

5. I believe these two thugs were crackheads who attacked but let's say you are right that the two attackers were actual genuine anti-Sikh black racists that genuinely espouse the racial inferiority of the Punjabi Sikhs. It doesn't follow that a majority of African Americans are racist against Sikhs. There is no major widespread phenomenon of anti-Sikh racism by 50million African Americans. Albeit that there may be a small crackhead minority which are involved in such random attacks or indeed crime against business owners.

(Similarly if two thirds of the one thousand paid Congress thugs in November 1984 were from a Hindu background {= 1 in a million Hindu's around at the time} it does not negate the fact that there are 1,000 million poor Hindu's who could be highly receptive to Sikhi if we do some parchaar to them and actually deliver an improvement to their lives instead of some of us going on about evil Hindu's that hate us as if they represent 1.1 Billion Hindu's).

[MisterrSingh 8,390]

The facts are the following pertaining to these particular incidents:

1. Sikh elders have been attacked by black criminals.

2. We, as a community, have a right to describe the racial and ethnic background of the attackers. We'd do it if was Muslims, Mexicans, Whites, whatever.

Everything else is f****g fantasy, American-Marxist bull5hit. 

For "Sikh" organisations to GASLIGHT Sikhs in an insidious attempt at extreme political correctness that places us under threat of further harm is f****g EVIL. 

Anyone who tries to "Marxplain" and "Whatabout" their way out of confronting the reality of this problem is not a friend of Sikhs.

[Deepthinking22 140]

So I've been lurking on the forum as a guest for a few weeks and I am absolutely appalled by the response of the far left to this issue.  I was actually meaning on starting a similar thread on this topic and still probably will as I have so much to show and say.  It's mindsets like SinghPunjabSingh that are actually a part of the problem.   The racism from said community is much much more widespread than he thinks as this is happening in the UK too and is not at all limited to a handful of crackheads as suggested.  No, this does not mean we should start 'hating' the community (I have to say this because brainwashed people will see this and think it means I am saying it is an excuse to hate them), but it 110 per cent needs to be called out!!!  We should be able to call it out without being shamed.  You have black drill artists in the UK using 'Paki' in their songs now too which is basically the N word for Asians.  You have many racial attacks on Asians from Blacks in the UK let alone the USA (on East Asians and South Asians alike).  But as I said, I am working on presenting how bad the issue is and why it is how it is so I am going to be starting a new thread in the coming week or so.

[Jassu 642]

3 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

1. Not at all. If anyone attacks a bazurg that violent criminal ought to be severely punished.

2. None whatsoever. Sikhi teaches us to be tyaar bar tyaar and look out for the weak and oppressed and bazurgs.

A. The 50million African American population do not hate us and we need to foster greater links with them.

 

 Ahaha sorry but how do you know that? Do you not understand the general sentiment blacks feel towards Indians? They are VERY racist towards Indians. Look at what this black lady is saying. They are very angry towards people more successful than them. Even East Asians have expressed similar sentiments. Many will never be able to differentiate a Sikh from a Muslim or regular Indian btw. Of course we can try to educate them, but I doubt incidents of racist thought will go down. 

Your THOUGHT PROCESS is VERY HARMFUL TOWARDS our people. We are already suffering severe population decline and having randoms killed due to other groups and going "oh its ok they're just our brothers against white supremacy!!!!" is VERY HARMFUL. Look, it's not East Asians attacking us. It can be linked to more rates of violence in other minorities but like a poster mentioned, they were literally seen at the gurudwara. It was racially motivated. Face it.

 

[Deepthinking22 140]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

The facts are the following pertaining to these particular incidents:

1. Sikh elders have been attacked by black criminals.

2. We, as a community, have a right to describe the racial and ethnic background of the attackers. We'd do it if was Muslims, Mexicans, Whites, whatever.

Everything else is f****g fantasy, American-Marxist bull5hit. 

For "Sikh" organisations to GASLIGHT Sikhs in an insidious attempt at extreme political correctness that places us under threat of further harm is f****g EVIL. 

Anyone who tries to "Marxplain" and "Whatabout" their way out of confronting the reality of this problem is not a friend of Sikhs.

Well said!

[Jassu 642]

Indians, have literally been expelled from multiple African countries for being more successful than the natives. Even in South Africa, during the infamous riots that happened recently, it was mostly Indian shop owners being targetted and not the white majority. 

That says it all.

In western countries, blacks feel resentful for the same reason again. Because Indians and East Asians are more successful than them despite being a minority as well and being there for less time than them. 

[Jassu 642]

9 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

 

By the way you PMed me to delete all my posts because "blacks will see and be offended and then not be inclined to join Sikhi". Lol, first of all, Gurjant and MANY posters here have posted anti-white rhetoric for numerous years now. If you look at the stats of this website, it is likely that more white people are visiting than black people. Also, in general, more white people would be inclined to join Sikhi than black people who are more inclined to join Islam. These are facts, actually. Whites are more receptive towards Sikhi while blacks are more receptive towards Islam. Ya'll also alienate the number one demographic of Sikhs, Jatt Sikhs. Imagine if any good Jatt individual came across all your nasty posts. They would feel bad. SO No I will delete my posts, how about you tell others to delete all their anti-Jatt, anti-white nonsense first.

[MisterrSingh 8,390]

28 minutes ago, Jassu said:

By the way you PMed me to delete all my posts because "blacks will see and be offended and then not be inclined to join Sikhi". Lol, first of all, Gurjant and MANY posters here have posted anti-white rhetoric for numerous years now. If you look at the stats of this website, it is likely that more white people are visiting than black people. Also, in general, more white people would be inclined to join Sikhi than black people who are more inclined to join Islam. These are facts, actually. Whites are more receptive towards Sikhi while blacks are more receptive towards Islam. Ya'll also alienate the number one demographic of Sikhs, Jatt Sikhs. Imagine if any good Jatt individual came across all your nasty posts. They would feel bad. SO No I will delete my posts, how about you tell others to delete all their anti-Jatt, anti-white nonsense first.

Doesn't take a genius to figure there's a concerted effort on this forum to equate "Jattism" within Sikhi with the equivalent "Whiteness" in the Anglosphere; therefore two groups who are solely responsible for the evils of their respective demographics, and therefore two groups to be eliminated according to this beautifully tolerant and welcoming philosophy. 

I've been radicalised by this forum in ways you wouldn't believe!