Racism - callout as it is

[proudkaur21]

17 hours ago, Jassu said:

@SinghPunjabSingh

I don’t care about kaleh goreh or whatever. I really doubt this website even gets traffic from black dudes trying to join Sikhi. Like I mentioned before that kalleh usually join Islam. This website gets traffic from OTHER SIKHS for and foremost and not the liberal types. If they saw what you’re saying they’d be disappointed by the fate of our quom. Literally you’re embarrassing Sikhs. It seems you’re willing to write entire novels and essays for people who don’t give a sh!t about us. I guess this is all sikhi is good for now. Putting our people down and uplifting others lmao.

And yes I liked the white dude bc he was interested in Sikhi and joining Sikhi. I was seeking advice you seem hypocritical 

jassu i agree with you. I don't agree with hating anyone without a reason but why should we all feel the most sympathy for one particular group when many groups in history have suffered much worse. Like if you see what the communist did in eastern europe and then muslims in south asia, the balkan regions of Europe and then these christians all over the world. Many groups have suffered. I dont like when people impose the slavery dynamics of the USA to the entire world and then we have to act like they are the most subjugated people and have sympathy for them always so even if we are the victim in some cases we have to not speak because they are most subjugated group. I dont understand this thinking? Like as if there is some victim competition.

Also we Sikhs died but did not give up our religion whereas the subjugated black people in Africa are now Christian and constantly trying to convert us even. Now is it our fault that they accepted their enemies religion? They know their history and still follow the religion so now its on them. You cant always make a group be a victim always.

They also marry whites in record numbers. I dont like how we are told that we hold white supremacist views when they are the ones who marry mingle and follow the culture of white people the most.  We hold all groups accountable here be it white black or even our own who suffer from self hate and constantly worship whites. So why is it wrong to point out that alot of black people also suffer from white supremacist views and self hate?

[proudkaur21]

16 hours ago, Jassu said:

@SinghPunjabSingh

I don’t care about kaleh goreh or whatever. I really doubt this website even gets traffic from black dudes trying to join Sikhi. Like I mentioned before that kalleh usually join Islam. This website gets traffic from OTHER SIKHS for and foremost and not the liberal types. If they saw what you’re saying they’d be disappointed by the fate of our quom. Literally you’re embarrassing Sikhs. It seems you’re willing to write entire novels and essays for people who don’t give a sh!t about us. I guess this is all sikhi is good for now. Putting our people down and uplifting others lmao.

And yes I liked the white dude bc he was interested in Sikhi and joining Sikhi. I was seeking advice you seem hypocritical 

They will join Islam despite knowing how the Arabs praise their prophet for having white skin lol. You can find hadith quotes about this. So its okay to join such a religion but then us Sikhs are bad and racist so we get attacked by them. Okay!

[proudkaur21]

On 4/18/2022 at 1:27 PM, Deepthinking22 said:

I'm seeing this happen more and more with Indians sadly.  I've lost count of the amount of Indian women in London who have said they will exclusively only date white guys.  The main reason for this is propaganda by western media and entertainment etc.  Our story bares some similarities to East Asians in the USA.  We are being emasculated and being systematically segregated and erased from Media mainly sport and entertainment.  An article came out not long ago showing the racism faced by Asians in the UK TV and Film industry (I work in Film and TV btw, not as an actor of course lol).  An Asian actor described how he met an agent who said we will only ever cast Indians for geek roles.  He then had an interview for a role with another agent who told him he is far too good looking for the role!  They basically want to show us as shy, awkward, geeky ugly guys.  Don't even get me started on football which I will probably start a whole new thread on one day.  A black manager in football without hesitation said Asians have it far worse than blacks in football. Also, notice how the main High Street fashion brands never use Indian models. It's always black, white, mixed and now even East Asian but not Indians.  Absolute joke.  Look at JD sports for example. This was going on for decades.  Now you may have a breakaway model because of BLM and diversity etc, but I'm yet to see one for JD for example.  It's segregation, no other way to put it. 

Dont try to take it in the wrong sense but one of the reason is because we are in their countries. They want to promote their own people. Until we fix our own countries and keep moving to their countries things will remain this way. We cant really expect them to promote us in their own countries can we? In India they worship whites and put them on pedestal and on tv everywhere doesn't mean whites worship us.

Also because we move to their countries women on a very primal level perceive white men to have the power to build a well functioning society in spite of all the colonialism and loot. I am just telling it as a women that on subconscious level non whites associate whites with power because our own countries are rotting. Alot of us have these unconscious biases that most people dont really dwell upon.

I have thought alot about this and now at this point whenever i see those mindy kalling shows like Never have I ever i cringe because my mind now perceives it as attempt from brown people trying to be paired up with whites who they associate with having power. I mean just view any of her shows she is always trying to pair up brown women with white men. Why? Because they are the dominant group perceived to have power as we are living in their countries. The only way you can truly be British is either by being born white or you marry them and then your subsequent generations are white.

[proudkaur21]

On 4/18/2022 at 6:35 PM, SinghPunjabSingh said:

2. Most mixed race people are overwhelmingly not racist and understand from their own parentage as to why racism is an artificial man-made construct.

 

 

 

This is not true. Alot of half white mixed people are highly racist and think they are better than their poc half even though they might seem to be all about poc rights and what not.

[MisterrSingh]

4 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

You are like a caricature of a right-wing radio host.

I'd like to think I'm a bit more lucid than that, lol!

As to the gist of the remainder of your post, it's nothing I already don't know. Some terms are interchangeable here and there. They get thrown around in the heat of the moment. With each passing year, the lines blur with increasing frequency. But as you well know - and as you've selected not to see the distinction in order to construct a leg for your argument on which it can stand - I use the term Marxist "liberally" () and it's almost always in the context of Culture (captial 'C'); the context makes it very clear. Your attempt to denigrate my stance comes from the political and economic aspects of Marxism, which almost always enters through the markedly more acceptable gateway ideology of Socialism. Don't get me wrong, Socialism - before it inevitably goes full-Communism once it drip-feeds populations into developing a dependency on its tantalizing mores - has many benefits (no pun intended) and is actually something quite positive overall. The problem is that Socialism is never intended to remain just as Socialism. It's the cannabis of the political-ideological world; a gateway drug that leads to harder and more dangerous dependencies.

This may come as a shock for someone of your particular head-space and worldview, but I actually don't like the idea that people have befallen some horrible fate in the past, or people are suffering in the present, or knowing that some great suffering will arrive once I'm long gone because of completely avoidable courses of action that COULD be taken in the present but aren't because of men and women like you.

You've heard the phrase, "A wise man is he who plants a tree knowing he'll never feel the comfort of its shade"?

The reason I get passionate about the world I see around me is because I'm not looking at the picture from the odd 60-70 years I have on this planet. I take in the grand sweep of history from thousands of years prior to my existence to at least a few decades or centuries when I'm dust. I'm not a fortune teller but I can extrapolate what is most likely to happen based on what HAS happened prior. And I don't like where things are heading if history is any indication (and it always is).

I laugh when hateful, petty, vindictive, and generally small individuals proffer visions of a bright, equitable, and positive future that will supposedly arrive if only their devilish ideology is allowed to be expressed unhindered; usually when millions of people they disagree with will need to be eliminated for this dream utopia to be realised.

That's what it's like trying to digest your opinions when you wax lyrical about the need for tolerance and justice after reading 10 years of your posts where you just can't stop mentioning how much you hate a particular demographic belonging to your own religious background.

So you'll forgive me if I place very little stock in anything you have to say that expresses something hopeful and decent for humanity when your own sense of humanity has several conspicuously chasm-like blind-spots. Maybe you should start closer to home, bucko?

[SinghPunjabSingh]

23 hours ago, Jassu said:

@SinghPunjabSingh

people who don’t give a sh!t about us. I guess this is all sikhi is good for now. Putting our people down and uplifting others lmao.

And yes I liked the white dude bc he was interested

Nobody is putting down the Sikh Qaum. It's about ensuring that the Sikh Panth is welcoming to everyone and ensuring that we are part of the solution (rather than part of the problem) when it comes to dismantling oppression against African Americans by systemic white supremacy racism in place since the start of Slavery.

23 hours ago, Jassu said:

There is a reason why Gurjant is on QC and I am not 

So Gurjant Singh as a Sikh opposes domestic violence. Gurjant Singh as an Irish American is NOT racist against white folks. But he does call out racism by a minority of white troublemakers. Gurjant Singh could care less about articficial labels imposed on united Sikhs by the racist British Empire but yes he does denounce caste apartheid and the depraved practice of caste-based apartheid Golak's and yes like most normal Sikhs Gurjant Singh proudly advocates for only one united Gurdwara per pind in Punjab (or locality in the west). Criticising you for your derogratory posts against kaaleh does not mean he was negative about Sikhs - it means he was negative about the content of some of your posts. Gurjant Singh condemns incidences of racism regardless of who might perpetrate them.

22 hours ago, Jassu said:

Btw most black people are unironically online hating on Indians. They call desi people smelly and disgusting. Like look at what Azaelia Banks tweeted about Zayn. Go online on twitter where you’ll hear true opinions and you’ll be shocked what black people actually think.

Do you live in the real world and interact with real people? Or is interacting with Twittersphere trolls the limit of your intercation with a 50million strong community? Twitter = Troll City central. If there are a minority of rabid Hindutva touts online hating on Sikhs should we abandon all Parchaar to one billion poor so-called Hindu's because the hatemongers wish to see Sikhi limited to as few people as possible?

22 hours ago, Jassu said:

I will post way more things

when I get on my laptop tomorrow

I will also be making a thread showcasing  

What will you achieve by giving oxygen to Twittersphere trolls? Why not focus on how you can encourage on the silent majority of African Americans who are not racist but still suffer unfair racist discrimination. Would say all of the things you are posting online to Rihanna's face or on her Twitter handle?

[SinghPunjabSingh]

11 hours ago, Deepthinking22 said:

I also said I agree to some extent with SinghPunjabSingh's points 1,2,3 and 4 about slavery etc affecting Afro Caribeaan Communities up until today. 

Ignoring the elephant in the room of how Slavery destroyed their whole culture and the inter-generational trauma it created and how Reparations are necassary to equalise academic, healthcare and legal outcomes is why he is not the most popular among African Americans.

But his ideas certainly apply 100% to the small minority of Punjabi gangbangers in BC (less than 1% of the community in BC). Ironically the Punjabi gangs head honcho's and original family pioneers were often rabidly Sikh hating Punjab Police personnel and their touts who went to Canada with a lot of their loot from killing Sikhs for bounty and established themselves in the erstwhile wholly law-abiding local Sikh community after 1984.

However, whatever issues are affecting them cannot and WILL not be used to justify or accept their behaviour to innocent ethnic minorities. It seems this was being implied.

No. Nobody in this thread has ever said that.

There is no excuse for racism period.

Their are also issues unrelated to Afro Caribeean trauma that are causing racism from this community the main one being Blacks being told they cannot be racist. 

Nobody on this thread has ever said that.

This is allowing an unprecedented amount of 'unchecked' racist attitudes to breed in this community as all communities have their racists but no one is holding black racists to account. 

Look the black community is assimilating at a rapid pace due to intermarriage. Black racist attackers will not escape jail contrary to the hype. This hype from certain members of the far right about increasing black racism taking over the States is ignoring a bigger 2billion strong community that resists assimilation and is heavily involved in the grooming and sexual exploitation of many young girls where you live.

I'm pretty much done here tbh, not much more to be said, I will be starting a new thread on this at some point.

Please, Rabb de vaste ik hor thread na shuru kariyo about this!  

 

11 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Do you not remember just a month or so ago, you yourself were on this very forum complaining about jutt men putting their own women folk on stages to prance around for men of other communities to ogle at? I'd never heard of Sonia Bajwa and the other nanghi-taranghi desi Panjabi actresses (or whatever they are),  until you brought them up on the forum. 

Try and have some consistency. Please. 

You know what's shocking Dally is the comparison between two sides of the border and the two opposing mentalities. 

On one hand General Qamar Jatt Bajwa has been ruling Pakistan since 2016. Obviously Taliban Khan Niazi was the selected sock-puppet civilian face Prime Minister below Bajwa's boots for three and half years recently. But the bottom line is Bajwa has his hands on the nuclear button which could destroy Amritsar and Delhi in a second. His dream is of 13,000 fully functioning Mosques in east Punjab to create a 13million strong "fifth column" in east Punjab. General Bajwa has been the brains behind all the tourism ideas to milk and exploit naive Sikhs for hard currency profits which the Pakistani Army can use to further terrorism and send drugs to East Punjab (whilst simultaneously ensuring that naive Sikhs don't spend those funds wasted in Pakistan upon uplifting our poorer brothers and sisters in east Punjab).

On the other hand the most famous Bajwa and the most famous and well paid actress on the eastern side of the border is this wretched Miss Bajwa who was born to rich Sikh parents but now aggressively uses her platform for RAW and American bible bashers to promote Christianity so that east Punjab is destroyed from within. So that Christians and Muslims can push Sikhs to being a minority in east Punjab by the 2031 census. And yet despite all this our people still shamelessly patronise her pathetic films.

[SinghPunjabSingh]

On 4/21/2022 at 6:29 PM, Deepthinking22 said:

I'm saying this is what's causing racism to rise in their community.  It's going unchecked because of this.  I'm not saying people here on the forum are saying that.  That rhetoric is well known and recognised.  It even culminated in them trying to change the definition of racism itself!  It's mad. 

I don't think any kaaleh have ever said that not a single kaala in the World can ever be racist. The blatant racism of the Nation of Islam being a pretty obvious example. I think the argument is more along the lines of if WASPS control in excess of a thousand times more wealth than African Americans (despite relatively matching populations) then the impact of the minority of black racism upon others cannot be as pronounced as when one holds power.

Ie Muslims can also be racist in America but their impact upon non-Muslims in America will not be as pronounced as their racism and how they can impact their black slaves in a country like Mauritania (where Muslims hold all of the power structures in their hands).

On 4/21/2022 at 6:31 PM, Deepthinking22 said:

Can you send me some links to something credible which refutes what Sowell says?  I'm interested to know. 

Sowell correctly observes that gangster rap, drill music, contemorary Punjabi music are a cancer which are planting insidious messaging into the folks that listen to them. But when we know that the powers that be in Washington, London and Delhi all benefit from those said music forms and promote them to serve their interests then that aspect is crucial not to ignore.

Sowell talks about Scottish ancestry "redneck culture" holding back African Americans. But the well known reality is that Scottish ancestry Presidents are *the* most over-represented ethnic background of all American Presidents in per capita demographic terms. And the same applies for Scottish ancestry among Canada, Australia and New Zealand Prime Ministers. In contrast African Americans are the most under-represented community among Senators despite their 50million population.

Ie Sowell cannot say that Jatts are held back on account of their tribal ancestry in Pakistan when they are so heavily over-represented in controlling all the levers of power there - Bajwa (Army Chief), Sidhu (Pakistan Air Force Chief), Chaudhary (Niazi's spokesman), Gill (Niazi's special adviser), Pinki Pirni (Niazi's wife) etc, etc. 

So if Sowell was to say that the same tribe of people in eastern Punjab are supposedly being held back in India on account of their tribe's culture in Pakistan it would have zero validity as we can see how successful they are on the Pakistani side of the border where the majority of Jatts live. So that type of simplistic analysis simply doesn't cut it or hold water. 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

7 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

why should we all feel the most sympathy for one particular group when many groups in history have suffered much worse.

In the American context nobody has suffered more than African Americans and native Americans.

Obviously we as Sikhs have suffered the Genocide of 90% of our Qaum in the Vadda Ghallughara by Muslims and more recently the Genocide of 25% of our population in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs.

That is why there are parallels of both communities being oppressed and why assisting each other and united under Sri Nishan Sahib it can be a win/win for all.

I dont like when people impose the slavery dynamics of the USA to the entire world.

The African Diaspora in Brazil and the Carribbean etc are also all there because of Slavery so the same dynamics apply to those communities and in the UK and France for example.

Also we Sikhs died but did not give up our religion whereas the subjugated black people in Africa are now Christian and constantly trying to convert us even. Now is it our fault that they accepted their enemies religion? They know their history and still follow the religion so now its on them.

That's why Sikhs need to reach out, assist, do parchaar and highlight that Sikhi is the only faith that opposes Slavery unlike Christianity and Islam which both condone Slavery.

 

6 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Alot of half white mixed people are highly racist and think they are better than their poc half even though they might seem to be all about poc rights and what not.

That is a symptom of internalised racism on the part of a small minority of mixed race people you may be talking about but the vast majority of people who have parents from two different backgrounds are closer to Sikhi in their thinking and agreeing with Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's ideology of kul nash (Vaisakhi 1699)  and the eradication of all false man-made identity labels when Sikhi is the only meaningful identity we as Sikhs should care about.

7 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

They will join Islam despite knowing how the Arabs praise their prophet for having white skin lol. You can find hadith quotes about this. 

I agree it's bizarre as to how Pakistani's have convinced some African Americans that the religion of white Arab Slavemaster and white Arab Slave Trader like Prophet Muhammad is supposedly a good religion for them (especially a man like Muhammad who even sold black children for financial profit as the Quran allows Muslims to do).

However, it is on us as Sikhs to turn the tables, do parchaar and explain that Sikhi is the only religion that opposes Slavery head on. At a stroke the Sikh Panth would be massively strengthened via new African Diaspora Sikhs and among the projected 4 billion population of Africa by the end of this century.

 

 

[Jassu]

11 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Nobody is putting down the Sikh Qaum. It's about ensuring that the Sikh Panth is welcoming to everyone and ensuring that we are part of the solution (rather than part of the problem) when it comes to dismantling oppression against African Americans by systemic white supremacy racism in place since the start of Slavery.

So Gurjant Singh as a Sikh opposes domestic violence. Gurjant Singh as an Irish American is NOT racist against white folks. But he does call out racism by a minority of white troublemakers. Gurjant Singh could care less about articficial labels imposed on united Sikhs by the racist British Empire but yes he does denounce caste apartheid and the depraved practice of caste-based apartheid Golak's and yes like most normal Sikhs Gurjant Singh proudly advocates for only one united Gurdwara per pind in Punjab (or locality in the west). Criticising you for your derogratory posts against kaaleh does not mean he was negative about Sikhs - it means he was negative about the content of some of your posts. Gurjant Singh condemns incidences of racism regardless of who might perpetrate them.

Do you live in the real world and interact with real people? Or is interacting with Twittersphere trolls the limit of your intercation with a 50million strong community? Twitter = Troll City central. If there are a minority of rabid Hindutva touts online hating on Sikhs should we abandon all Parchaar to one billion poor so-called Hindu's because the hatemongers wish to see Sikhi limited to as few people as possible?

What will you achieve by giving oxygen to Twittersphere trolls? Why not focus on how you can encourage on the silent majority of African Americans who are not racist but still suffer unfair racist discrimination. Would say all of the things you are posting online to Rihanna's face or on her Twitter handle?

A lot of people’s real opinions come out anonymously or on social media platforms. Are you going to pretend that white supremacy isn’t an issue since it’s mostly contained on certain websites or Twitter, etc? The simple fact of the matter is that a lot of black people have negative opinions about Indians. Whites are more receptive to joining faiths like Buddhism, Sikhi, Hinduism, etc. Blacks are more receptive to joining Islam. Something about the brute force, nature, and violence of Islam appeals to them.

Also it’s quite funny you keep saying kalleh over and over again. Isn’t that in itself racist according to the liberal brigade? I also find it funny how you keep spamming the same two pictures over and over again, lmao. Ah right, these 10 kalleh joined us. What. An. Achievement. Let’s address that kalleh are vandalising gurdwaras in South Africa and Liberia now, lmao.

“Gurjant Singh” literally said he would slap me/beat me up, threatened me, he claims he isn’t ‘white’ as an Irish person and that white people are devil children, evil, etcetera. Gurjant probably has deep mental issues as Irish are obviously white people.