Racism - callout as it is

[Jassu]

There is a reason why Gurjant is on QC and I am not bc Gurjant uses so much profanity, talks about hitting women, is vehemently racist towards whites and supports Dally’s anti Jatt rhetoric. Gurjant literally showed he would support blacks over Sikhs. He was ready to put down and be negative about Sikhs yet couldn’t be negative towards blacks. Yea we definitely need more Sikhs like this lmao. great people you lot 

[Jassu]

Btw most black people are unironically online hating on Indians. They call desi people smelly and disgusting. Like look at what Azaelia Banks tweeted about Zayn. Go online on twitter where you’ll hear true opinions and you’ll be shocked what black people actually think.

[Jassu]

I will post way more things from black people when I get on my laptop tomrrow

@SinghPunjabSinghI will also be making a thread showcasing black hypocrisy towards Sikhi. Not just racist tweets but pure hypocrisy. Stay tuned 

[dallysingh101]

On 4/20/2022 at 5:17 AM, SinghPunjabSingh said:

I am aware of who Thomas Sowell is and many in the African American community would consider him their equivalent of General Brar.

This very true. 

Wheeling out a recognised go-to token to back up your arguments doesn't do it any favours. 

[californiasardar1]

On 4/20/2022 at 6:22 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Typical American ignorance. Thinks socialised healthcare through taxation is equatable to Marxist policies of equity. Are bin-men agents of a Marxist state? Are the civil service Marxist lackeys?

 

Obviously a socialized healthcare system is not equivalent to marxism. Similarly, the various people and things that you rail against and label as "marxist" are far from actual marxists. Notice that in my post I wrote "marxist" in quotations to mock the way that you refer to anything remotely left-leaning as "marxist." You are like a caricature of a right-wing radio host.

Every western social democracy has traditionally been some sort of hybrid of a pure free market system and a socialist system. You enjoy a lot of benefits and privileges that materialized from the efforts of leftists (who you constantly deride) who pushed the UK more towards the socialist end of the spectrum than it previously was.

You should visit the US sometime and see what a cesspool it is and maybe you will appreciate some of the things that you have in your country that you take for granted. Alternatively, you can just wait a few years, since the UK's trajectory indicates that it will soon join the US as a race-to-the-bottom country run by corporations and oligarchs with average people living precarious lives and working themselves to death. The UK is on this trajectory because (like the US) it is filled with stupid people who are easily distracted by the culture wars.

[Deepthinking22]

This SinghPunjabSingh is something else man.  Too much deflection and quoting half quotes in responses going on.  Allow it. 

[Deepthinking22]

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

This very true. 

Wheeling out a recognised go-to token to back up your arguments doesn't do it any favours. 

I don't 100 per cent agree with everything Sowell says but he raises very important points and findings which cannot be dismissed and many of which DO account for the issues slavery and racism alone are being proposed as the cause of.  I admit he does seem to downplay certain things from what I have seen so far (but may be in his proper books this is covered too).  I also said I agree to some extent with SinghPunjabSingh's points 1,2,3 and 4 about slavery etc affecting Afro Caribeaan Communities up until today.  However, whatever issues are affecting them cannot and WILL not be used to justify or accept their behaviour to innocent ethnic minorities.  It seems this was being implied.  Their are also issues unrelated to Afro Caribeean trauma that are causing racism from this community the main one being Blacks being told they cannot be racist.  This is allowing an unprecedented amount of 'unchecked' racist attitudes to breed in this community as all communities have their racists but no one is holding black racists to account. 

I'm pretty much done here tbh, not much more to be said, I will be starting a new thread on this at some point.  

[dallysingh101]

 

13 hours ago, Jassu said:

There is a reason why Gurjant is on QC and I am not bc Gurjant uses so much profanity, talks about hitting women, is vehemently racist towards whites and supports Dally’s anti Jatt rhetoric.

I think you're talking out of you're ar5e here. If that were true I'd be on QC too. I think you struggle with critical thinking maybe? What shocks me about you is just how often you contradict yourself. Do you not remember just a month or so ago, you yourself were on this very forum complaining about jutt men putting their own women folk on stages to prance around for men of other communities to ogle at? I'd never heard of Sonia Bajwa and the other nanghi-taranghi desi Panjabi actresses (or whatever they are),  until you brought them up on the forum. 

Try and have some consistency. Please. 

[dallysingh101]

24 minutes ago, Deepthinking22 said:

I don't 100 per cent agree with everything Sowell says but he raises very important points and findings which cannot be dismissed and many of which DO account for the issues slavery and racism alone are being proposed as the cause of.  I admit he does seem to downplay certain things from what I have seen so far (but may be in his proper books this is covered too).  I also said I agree to some extent with SinghPunjabSingh's points 1,2,3 and 4 about slavery etc affecting Afro Caribeaan Communities up until today.  However, whatever issues are affecting them cannot and WILL not be used to justify or accept their behaviour to innocent ethnic minorities.  It seems this was being implied.  Their are also issues unrelated to Afro Caribeean trauma that are causing racism from this community the main one being Blacks being told they cannot be racist.  This is allowing an unprecedented amount of 'unchecked' racist attitudes to breed in this community as all communities have their racists but no one is holding black racists to account. 

I'm pretty much done here tbh, not much more to be said, I will be starting a new thread on this at some point.  

You know you'd be better off making your arguments without having to rope in recognised 'Uncle Toms'. It's not like goray can't wheel out umpteen token, sell-out mouthpieces from amongst our lot (plenty of them!) to undermine anything any genuinely concerned apna or apnee has to say about the state of the panth, especially in relation to our relationship with them (which they readily do!). And I don't think it adds anything to your arguments, actually it does the opposite. When someone has to use a sell out to support their argument - that just takes the wind out of any genuine points they may have in the eyes of anyone who values integrity.

Bottom line, no, we shouldn't tolerate cowardly attacks against our community, especially against vulnerable members like females and bazoorags, and we should call it out, at least partially in the hope that some sane people on the other side will see sense and start an internal dialog in their community to rectify things. 

But we can't do this without having some intelligent grasp of the background context of the other community we are dealing with.   You seem to have at least some concept of this given what you've written above. 

 

F**k all the Thomas Sowells of the world, and that goes double for any sell out from amongst our lot too. That guy is just like 'our' Rami Ranger - someone to wheel out to undermine his 'own' communities concerns, like a muppet.   

 

It's pretty easy to brutalise a people into savagery, and then full on blame them for their animalistic actions. I think we might well be half-way in this process ourselves? Anyway, this helps with context. And no, I'm not excusing any cowardly attacks like under discussion in the OP.

 

 

[Deepthinking22]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

You know you'd be better off making your arguments without having to rope in recognised 'Uncle Toms'. It's not like goray can't wheel out umpteen token, sell-out mouthpieces from amongst our lot (plenty of them!) to undermine anything any genuinely concerned apna or apnee has to say about the state of the panth, especially in relation to our relationship with them (which they readily do!). And I don't think it adds anything to your arguments, actually it does the opposite. When someone has to use a sell out to support their argument - that just takes the wind out of any genuine points they may have in the eyes of anyone who values integrity.

Bottom line, no, we shouldn't tolerate cowardly attacks against our community, especially against vulnerable members like females and bazoorags, and we should call it out, at least partially in the hope that some sane people on the other side will see sense and start an internal dialog in their community to rectify things. 

But we can't do this without having some intelligent grasp of the background context of the other community we are dealing with.   You seem to have at least some concept of this given what you've written above. 

Fair point, I should probably do more research on who I quote next time.  I'm still fairly new to Sowell and his writings.  However, my point still stands that Sowell has important points which cannot be ignored and which DO play a part in what's going on in the Black Community and which are contributing to what we are discussing in this topic.  The fact that it's coming from Sowell does not entirely and necessarily make it invalid by itself.  Many others (non 'sell out' blacks) are saying this too.  Not everything he is saying is incorrect even though yeah I agree, he does seem to downplay a lot of stuff and I should probably not have quoted him (I have to do more research on this btw but you are probably correct). 

Your last point about having some intelligent grasp of the background context of the community.  This is where I sense you are implying Afro Caribbean trauma is the main cause (I may be wrong in my assumption here).  What I feel people like yourself (maybe) are still missing is that the main cause of this is what I have said a couple of times in this thread i.e. the blacks cannot be racist rhetoric.  This is what's causing this.  It's allowing the genuine racists in their community to breed to high levels (every race has them).  No accountability and no responsibility regardless of the causes.  This is the crucial main part of all of it.