Female Sikh teacher abducted and forcefully married in KPK, Pakistan

[proudkaur21]

15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sikh religious causes and the general religious scene don't seem to be attractive to otherwise intelligent (book smart) laymen. The odd professor, researcher, author, student of history, etc, is not representative of the masses. I imagine what puts smart people off is the inflexible religious tribalism coupled with the purity spiral / unrealistic barrier to entry that eliminates 99% of any interest. Plus, the leadership and hierarchy have NO answers to the problems that Sikhs face today. The solutions they present are one or both of:

1) Your karams are 5hit - pray more.

2) Your misfortune is God's grace - pray more so in the next life you receive more favourable circumstances.

Meanwhile people should just neck themselves because this janam is a write-off? Absolute demoralising jokery. 

But Isn't Islam even worse in this purity bs regards? Also their preachers teach the same thing it doesn't matter how <banned word filter activated> your life is if you pray to allah you will get everything in Jannah. There must be something more to it. Alot of Sikhs also constantly undermine their own religious teachings just to please others. Then i guess when people see the behavior of an avg Punjabi what impression of Sikhi do they get?

[Jacfsing2]

8 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

But Isn't Islam even worse in this purity bs regards? Also their preachers teach the same thing it doesn't matter how <banned word filter activated> your life is if you pray to allah you will get everything in Jannah. There must be something more to it. Alot of Sikhs also constantly undermine their own religious teachings just to please others. Then i guess when people see the behavior of an avg Punjabi what impression of Sikhi do they get?

A good chunk of Sikhs don't really care about Sikhi. They may care about a generic Punjabi identity or even greater Punjabi ideology, but as a whole, the average Sikh doesn't know much about what the Gurus actually said. The types of Sikhs who do become interested in Sikhi are those who come from households where Sikhi is practiced, the ones who fall so behind that they eventually turn to Sikhi for the answers, or some amazing prachark that convinces them to give up their bad behavior and go towards Sikhi.

If you compare that to Muslims, I'd say at least 50% understand what their religion is about even if they do lie to the masses about what they actually believe in. It's not that Sikhs do this moral undermining our faith out of fear of other religions, it's that they actually do believe that Sikhi is about bending down to others.

[Suchi]

22 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

A good chunk of Sikhs don't really care about Sikhi. They may care about a generic Punjabi identity or even greater Punjabi ideology, but as a whole, the average Sikh doesn't know much about what the Gurus actually said. The types of Sikhs who do become interested in Sikhi are those who come from households where Sikhi is practiced, the ones who fall so behind that they eventually turn to Sikhi for the answers, or some amazing prachark that convinces them to give up their bad behavior and go towards Sikhi.

If you compare that to Muslims, I'd say at least 50% understand what their religion is about even if they do lie to the masses about what they actually believe in. It's not that Sikhs do this moral undermining our faith out of fear of other religions, it's that they actually do believe that Sikhi is about bending down to others.

Here's an interesting discussion on how the British set out to hijack Sikhs in order to promote themselves, by recruiting Sikhs to their cause. 

They also discuss how the teachings of the Vedas and Adi Shankacharya have a direct correlation to Sikh teachings. 

All discussions on the modern Sikh 'religion' are recent attempts to Abrahamise Sikhs to take them from their roots.

 

[Jacfsing2]

17 hours ago, Suchi said:

Here's an interesting discussion on how the British set out to hijack Sikhs in order to promote themselves, by recruiting Sikhs to their cause. 

They also discuss how the teachings of the Vedas and Adi Shankacharya have a direct correlation to Sikh teachings. 

All discussions on the modern Sikh 'religion' are recent attempts to Abrahamise Sikhs to take them from their roots.

 

Objectively speaking on some levels there's some truth in what they said, our Sikh faith has been abrahmized in the last few centuries, the original goal of the British was to convert the Sikhs into Christianity but when they failed at that, they decided if they couldn't convert the Sikh, rather they would create a new influence within Sikhi. That said, what many Hindus don't realize about these old school Sikhs having Hindu-influence is that from the time when Prithi Chand rebelled against Guru Sahib until Singh Sabha Movement, the Haramandir Sahib hasn't had control of Sikhs and after Banda Singh Bahadur's reign ended, Sikhs lived in jungles and even more Gurdwaras had fallen under the Mahants. We can't completely base Sikhi on a purely historical context and we need Gurbani and Rehitnamas, (most important being Bhai Nand Lal's), to guide the Panth.

[proudkaur21]

3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Objectively speaking on some levels there's some truth in what they said, our Sikh faith has been abrahmized in the last few centuries, the original goal of the British was to convert the Sikhs into Christianity but when they failed at that, they decided if they couldn't convert the Sikh, rather they would create a new influence within Sikhi. That said, what many Hindus don't realize about these old school Sikhs having Hindu-influence is that from the time when Prithi Chand rebelled against Guru Sahib until Singh Sabha Movement, the Haramandir Sahib hasn't had control of Sikhs and after Banda Singh Bahadur's reign ended, Sikhs lived in jungles and even more Gurdwaras had fallen under the Mahants. We can't completely base Sikhi on a purely historical context and we need Gurbani and Rehitnamas, (most important being Bhai Nand Lal's), to guide the Panth.

exactly they will bring the bs of there being idols in harmidner sahib and what not lol like sikhs didnt have control of our gurudwaras for a very long time. Even now these modern day mahants are doing similar non sense in Indian Gurudwaras.

[AsilentUser]

On 8/24/2022 at 7:35 PM, proudkaur21 said:

The bhai kanhaiya syndrome is an excuse. The real reason is societal acceptance from the majority of the world population who are either Christian,Muslims or Hindus. It is the same reason they say all religions lead to God. They are scared of being alienated from the world majority by acknowledging their paths are false. That is why they try to not offend people from different religions even in Sikh spaces or even try to appease LGBTQ people. If Sikhs had a state of their own which was well developed and political power they would not act like this to such an extent.

How could a landlocked and small state project it's power ? 

Sikh leaders never were visionary, in this current age of democracy/ public opinion age , the majority always dominate. 

Somebody who offended someone's prophet in india become huge outcry worldwide but you won't hear much about how many SGGS was damaged by others . 

Sikhs have become pawn of liberals, muzzies, and hindus and they play siksh for their own political/ other benefits when they need them.

1984 happened and army did lot's of <banned word filter activated> but you would still see Sikh still going into indian armies. The panth is filled with fuddus who are only interested in their own wellbeing but  they might also shout about sikhi this and that in gurdwara .

 

There is a reason why sikhi never spreaded much outside of Punjab and I can say that sikhi even failed in Punjab ( west Punjab, himachal, haryana)  because majority of the people didn't adopted sikhi and that's why you never could have a sikh State. 

 

[Ranjeet01]

This whole conversation and many of it's facets boils to one conclusion. 

We need our own political state because ultimately we need power over our own affairs. 

If we have power, then we can leverage it for our own self interest. 

The problem we have is that we are good at leveraging power at an micro individual level but not at a macro collective level. 

I mentioned the word self-interest here but this is a dirty word for our Sikh psyche because our collective mentality is to be selfless and vand the power with non Sikhs. 

Our problems  (going to sound controversial )are grounded in our skewed Sikh values and principals. 

[Ranjeet01]

Who cares about deep rooted this and deep rooted that.

There is no perfect society.

Let's just have our own country.

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Who cares about deep rooted this and deep rooted that.

There is no perfect society.

Let's just have our own country.

Nah, you're only saying that because you are part of the deep rooted horseshyte. We just need to look at Canada and see what a sad joke your 'culture' is creating over there. Given half a chance, only Waheguru knows what mess you'd create in Panjab. You've got a propensity for all sorts of gandh. 

Go back inside your community and start a strong debate about the stupidity of following and promoting an insular, 'colourful-bandhur', peasant culture in the 21st century, over a Sikhi based culture, and you'd actually be helping the panth.   

[Ranjeet01]

Better to have a horseshyte country with barn yard dancing than wait for some utopia that will never come.