Female Sikh teacher abducted and forcefully married in KPK, Pakistan

[dallysingh101]

Thing is, when these people have done this to someone, all of the furore by our lot (when they can't actually do anything) I think actually help fuel and feed the perpetrators further. 

It's like a macrocosm of sociopathy, where the sociopath feeds off the reaction and anger of the targeted person.   

[proudkaur21]

15 hours ago, 5aaban said:

Meanwhile Sikhs 

"Come To Punjab, Sardars Will Protect You": Singer Rabbi Shergill To Bilkis Bano

Updated: August 22, 2022 7:10 pm IST

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rabbi-shergill-to-bilkis-bano-come-to-punjab-sardars-will-protect-you-3276292

i saw this. Why do our people have this savior complex? Cant save their own but the first in line to help random people. Why?

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

i saw this. Why do our people have this savior complex? Cant save their own but the first in line to help random people. Why?

I thought about this and I think it is our concept of Seva and shaheedi taken to the extreme. 

The concept of selflessness skewed to the extreme where you put everyone else before yourself. 

The concept of sacrifice taken to the extreme because our Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed and put Hindus before his own life. So our people have followed the Guru's way.

The Bhai Khanaiya syndrome as well has not helped. 

I think we see these things as unconditional rather than with caveats. 

[ChardikalaUK]

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

i saw this. Why do our people have this savior complex? Cant save their own but the first in line to help random people. Why?

What do you expect from a Bulleh Shah lover. 5aala had one hit almost 20 years ago and has been living off it ever since. 

Exactly we have to save ourselves. I've heard countless Hindus and Suls praise us saying we are honest good people, does that mean they agree they themselves are not? An admission? 

Are we some elite bodyguard service for  both of them? 

[proudkaur21]

17 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

What do you expect from a Bulleh Shah lover. 5aala had one hit almost 20 years ago and has been living off it ever since. 

Exactly we have to save ourselves. I've heard countless Hindus and Suls praise us saying we are honest good people, does that mean they agree they themselves are not? An admission? 

Are we some elite bodyguard service for  both of them? 

I think the truth is that they know they can't save their own at the moment. Can these people save all the Sikhs languishing in jails over fake cases? No! So they do all this drama to make themselves feel better about their inability to help their own. Another is since there are so much less Sikhs in the world they feel alienated from the world and want to fit in or want attention from others to not feel alienated from the world. So they do all this feel good drama to get people to like and support them but they don't understand no matter how nice they are to these people they will backstab them anytime. These two are the main factors. They think that being this way is the only way to get people to like them and not feel alienated.

Look if you think about it 2 billion Christians, 2 billion Muslims , 1 billion Hindus ; all these communities are definitely anti Sikh and want to end/assimilate Sikhi as they believe their religion is the only true religion. But then being such a small minority an average Sikh feels alienated from the society not only due to the way we look but also our beliefs. Sikhi tells us that these paths are broken but we don't go out of our way unlike these groups to devise clever devious plans to finish these people off. So an average Sikh craves larger societal acceptance from the majority communities and they act like this.

It is the same reason Ravi Singh does what he does. He knows helping Muslims, Christian African will get him more PR and societal acceptance and reach than helping his own people. They are victims of their own ego. The Bhai Kanhaiya story is just used by these kind to justify what they are doing and not feel guilty rather than being the sole reason for their doings. The main reason is that wider societal acceptance by helping majority communities fuels their ego. Would Ravi Singh gain all this PR if he was helping just his own? NO! No one other than Sikhs would even know who he was.

[proudkaur21]

48 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I thought about this and I think it is our concept of Seva and shaheedi taken to the extreme. 

The concept of selflessness skewed to the extreme where you put everyone else before yourself. 

The concept of sacrifice taken to the extreme because our Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed and put Hindus before his own life. So our people have followed the Guru's way.

The Bhai Khanaiya syndrome as well has not helped. 

I think we see these things as unconditional rather than with caveats. 

The bhai kanhaiya syndrome is an excuse. The real reason is societal acceptance from the majority of the world population who are either Christian,Muslims or Hindus. It is the same reason they say all religions lead to God. They are scared of being alienated from the world majority by acknowledging their paths are false. That is why they try to not offend people from different religions even in Sikh spaces or even try to appease LGBTQ people. If Sikhs had a state of their own which was well developed and political power they would not act like this to such an extent.

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

The bhai kanhaiya syndrome is an excuse. The real reason is societal acceptance from the majority of the world population who are either Christian,Muslims or Hindus. It is the same reason they say all religions lead to God. They are scared of being alienated from the world majority by acknowledging their paths are false. That is why they try to not offend people from different religions even in Sikh spaces or even try to appease LGBTQ people. If Sikhs had a state of their own which was well developed and political power they would not act like this to such an extent.

A lack of a thorough and ongoing mainstream exegesis of Sikh scriptures BY SIKHS that PROMOTES Sikhi (instead of apologising for it) has a considerable part to play in this problem.

I get the feeling that certain Sikhs believe that diluting and erasing aspects of Sikhi to accomodate non-Sikhs is the highest expression of being a Sikh. We have to accept that somewhere along the way, our Sikh religious hierarchy emphasised and pushed to the fore certain strands of the religion in the belief they were doing a noble and spiritually positive thing, when, from a long-term perspective, they've done incredible damage to Sikh interests and the Sikh psyche. They've confused Sikhs who aren't "balle, balle" low-IQ, blind followers with a muddled philosophy that doesn't tally with reality. Accordingly, those who can't reconcile these issues end up converting to other religions or just end up being irreligious.

Then what you see are Christians and Muslims standing on the sidelines, salivating at the sight of Sikhs doing THEIR dirty business for them. It's a paradoxical and ludicrous take on things.

[PuzzledToo]

2 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

I think the truth is that they know they can't save their own at the moment. Can these people save all the Sikhs languishing in jails over fake cases? No! So they do all this drama to make themselves feel better about their inability to help their own. Another is since there are so much less Sikhs in the world they feel alienated from the world and want to fit in or want attention from others to not feel alienated from the world. So they do all this feel good drama to get people to like and support them but they don't understand no matter how nice they are to these people they will backstab them anytime. These two are the main factors. They think that being this way is the only way to get people to like them and not feel alienated.

Look if you think about it 2 billion Christians, 2 billion Muslims , 1 billion Hindus ; all these communities are definitely anti Sikh and want to end/assimilate Sikhi as they believe their religion is the only true religion. But then being such a small minority an average Sikh feels alienated from the society not only due to the way we look but also our beliefs. Sikhi tells us that these paths are broken but we don't go out of our way unlike these groups to devise clever devious plans to finish these people off. So an average Sikh craves larger societal acceptance from the majority communities and they act like this.

It is the same reason Ravi Singh does what he does. He knows helping Muslims, Christian African will get him more PR and societal acceptance and reach than helping his own people. They are victims of their own ego. The Bhai Kanhaiya story is just used by these kind to justify what they are doing and not feel guilty rather than being the sole reason for their doings. The main reason is that wider societal acceptance by helping majority communities fuels their ego. Would Ravi Singh gain all this PR if he was helping just his own? NO! No one other than Sikhs would even know who he was.

Accurate analysis. I think a group of us on  SS should start writing a PDF Manifesto, compile good posts on SS, add and edit it into a good solid read. Should be compact, no holds barred and not bulky as reading is like kryptonite to the majority of our panth. A harsh wake up call for Sikhs worldwide addressing this self destructive altruism and excessive religious pluralism afflicting the panth. 

[proudkaur21]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

A lack of a thorough and ongoing mainstream exegesis of Sikh scriptures BY SIKHS that PROMOTES Sikhi (instead of apologising for it) has a considerable part to play in this problem.

I get the feeling that certain Sikhs believe that diluting and erasing aspects of Sikhi to accomodate non-Sikhs is the highest expression of being a Sikh. We have to accept that somewhere along the way, our Sikh religious hierarchy emphasised and pushed to the fore certain strands of the religion in the belief they were doing a noble and spiritually positive thing, when, from a long-term perspective, they've done incredible damage to Sikh interests and the Sikh psyche. They've confused Sikhs who aren't "balle, balle" low-IQ, blind followers with a muddled philosophy that doesn't tally with reality. Accordingly, those who can't reconcile these issues end up converting to other religions or just end up being irreligious.

Then what you see are Christians and Muslims standing on the sidelines, salivating at the sight of Sikhs doing THEIR dirty business for them. It's a paradoxical and ludicrous take on things.

I don't think the majority believe it is the highest expression of being a Sikh. They pretend Sikhi is all about that as it is easier to be a langri and let everyone walk all over you and claim it is the tolerance taught to you in Sikhi rather than fight for our future and survival and for your own rights at this point. Recently I saw a clip from Punjab where some turbaned Sikh was getting hit by random people and he did not even once try to save his turban or even fight back. Just taking the blows. What we forgot is that we lost a generation of fighting Sikh men and what we are left with is the timid weak types unfortunately. It is easy for the remaining Sikhs to be langri and promote this one love one humanity bs than to plan and think something about our future. We have no leader or no common goal as a community. Everyone is on their own individual materialistic hedonistic endeavor with no collective responsibility to the panth.

99% of present "Sikhs" just have no redeeming qualities. I see the ones that come straight out of Punjab and i mean if even 1% of them have any self awareness about Sikhi or our future, that would be a great thing. They just don't care. For the majority of them individual materialism is the goal. They don't care about making wealth for the community to get power. They don't care about Sikhi at all. I see turbaned Sikhs coming from Punjab here in Toronto, going to clubs, drinking fully indulged in hedonism and I am just thinking atleast have some shame and stop wearing the turban. Majority of them are just Sikh in name because that is what their parents told them . They don't know anything about Sikhi because neither did their parents teach them anything nor are they interested . They are more interested in buying the latest iphone.

Additionally if you see we still haven't made clear cut guidelines after thorough research of our religion. Some say meat is allowed others say its not. Majority of Sikhs will not be able to give a clear answer why we keep our hair. Like our entire apparatus is wrong. If you go on youtube how many videos you will find explaining thousand of concepts from islam and Christianity. How many interesting videos do you find regarding Sikhi? Even the basics of Sikhi videos after Jagraj Singh's death haven't been able to attract views as they are not delivered in an interesting way. How many young Christian pastors and Islamic Imams are there and compare that to our kathavachaks. You are not able to attract youngsters with this current apparatus of teaching. The SGPC literally doesn't care. Its just all old people who have turned the organization into a money making business.

[MisterrSingh]

3 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Additionally if you see we still haven't made clear cut guidelines after thorough research of our religion. Some say meat is allowed others say its not. Majority of Sikhs will not be able to give a clear answer why we keep our hair. Like our entire apparatus is wrong. If you go on youtube how many videos you will find explaining thousand of concepts from islam and Christianity. How many interesting videos do you find regarding Sikhi? Even the basics of Sikhi videos after Jagraj Singh's death haven't been able to attract views as they are not delivered in an interesting way. How many young Christian pastors and Islamic Imams are there and compare that to our kathavachaks. You are not able to attract youngsters with this current apparatus of teaching. The SGPC literally doesn't care. Its just all old people who have turned the organization into a money making business.

Sikh religious causes and the general religious scene don't seem to be attractive to otherwise intelligent (book smart) laymen. The odd professor, researcher, author, student of history, etc, is not representative of the masses. I imagine what puts smart people off is the inflexible religious tribalism coupled with the purity spiral / unrealistic barrier to entry that eliminates 99% of any interest. Plus, the leadership and hierarchy have NO answers to the problems that Sikhs face today. The solutions they present are one or both of:

1) Your karams are 5hit - pray more.

2) Your misfortune is God's grace - pray more so in the next life you receive more favourable circumstances.

Meanwhile people should just neck themselves because this janam is a write-off? Absolute demoralising jokery.