Man'S Turban Stolen In Southampton Race Attack

[Only five]

Like i said there will be excuses brought up and the fact the person had to swear at another shows that his true character came out. Words are hollow in this case.

[Singh559]

I wear nok wali dastaar mostly to school (sometimes ghol) and general family events but wear a dumalla or ghol dastaar when i do gatka/at home/ or whenever i feel like. Whatever it is, it is better than when I was a mona.

As for whether or not a nok wali dastaar is easier to come off, in most cases it is. Some people wear a smaller ghol dastaar as the base for the nok wali dastaar and you can attach your kesh to the small dastaar like you would when you make the base to a dumalla so if the other dastaar comes off your small ghol dastaar would still be there?

Also check out these pictures (regardless to what influence changed the dastaar style) what the fact is they fought against the Germans and their allies ferociously and I don't think Europe would have stood a chance without the help of Sikhs.

(Please do not debate whether or not Sikhs should have fought for the British, we've had this debate before, the point of the pictures are people did fight with this style of dastaar, just like the picture DalSingh shown).

There was a case when a huge Sikh wrestling champion was cornered by 5 Nazis in the trenches and the Nazis thought they had won so they let their guard down, little did they know the Singh was also a bayonette champion and he took each one of them out.

I do agree that the dumalla is better for war but to put someone down by saying it's british influence ect. ect.. is wrong as well. Let people think for themselves and let them make their own decisions through experience. It is one thing when someone else tells you to do something and then it's something else when you experience it for yourself.

I saw Bhagat Puran Singh Ji's topic by pjs veerji about how he started to wear a dumalla everyday after he realized the boonga would protect his head if something were to fall on it. Something similar happened to me at Gurudwara when we were setting up a tent for a smagam when a ladder fell from a truck's trailer and hit me on the top of my head, nothing happened because I was wearing a dumalla (even though I didn't have a boonga) It still protected my head.

Also DalSingh posted a great picture of Hari Singh Nalwa, the soorma with such a high moral character and physical strength that we couldn't match to him.

As for the SGPC, that is completely wrong that they only allow nok wali dastaar, we need to change this. As people living abroad i think we can change this if we get together and voice our concern about it.

[gurdssingh]

Also check out these pictures (regardless to what influence changed the dastaar style) what the fact is they fought against the Germans and their allies ferociously and I don't think Europe would have stood a chance without the help of Sikhs.

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[sunny_love_kirtan]

as singh sahib mentioned, dastar style makes no spiritual difference. Both are good its ur personal choice. the nok wali pagg cud also be tied in a way that it looks strong and no one can dare to touch it ( if you think dumala protects u from these things) and same way if you are wearing a dumala which is not tied properly, some one cud also remove it if you are not strong enough to stop some one who is trying it remove it from your head or something.

it is good to wear a pagg even better if u have proper dumala. but it doesnt make pagg bad or rubbish.

I really want to wear a beautiful dumala and show the world its beauty. but i wear a pagg, not really pointy but just the way its tied cuz i find it easy. I dnt knw how to wear a dumala. i personally do not like wearing a nok wali pagg and do not like the way sgpc made this certain style mandatory but if we think of standardization, it is not a bad idea. It looks like something official which is good. But about sgpc kirtan seva I think they should allow people with dumaley to do kirtan but only the people who always wear dumaley.

[dalsingh101]

In the end if people think the problems being broached in the OP will disappear with a simple change in dastar style, they are kidding themselves.

Reality is that this is about the reputation of Sikh males at a ground level. Most of us would probably be honest enough to admit that the majority of Sikh families in the diaspora seem to push for their kids academic and career achievements over everything else (for obvious and understandable reasons). It's just apparent that doing this has a knock on effect in terms of a street level reputation of the quom. People aren't scared to mess with a Singh's dastaar these days because there is no violent come back for it. We've become 'civilised'.

Make of it what you will.

That's what we need to deal with. Not start discussing pagh styles. The truth is that one of the most dangerous fighters I've known (pound for pound) wore a knok wallah pagh, which would come off in fights. That didn't stop him battering people senseless even with his pagh off and joorah becoming undone. So it's not the pagh but the person in it.

Now I'm going to ask the million dollar question, and face the big elephant in the corner of the room people are willfully ignoring.

If a person can't look after it properly, should they be wearing a dastaar?

As uncomfortable as the question is, we still need to ask it.

[jassa]

Whats the difference?

One is goal pug which was evolved in middle east mainly worn by afgan and other kings and other is tedi pug which was evolved in middle india. Rajputanas pahari kings all wore tedi pug.

Both the styles existed far before sikhism.

Afganis wearing goal pug

Ahmad shah abdali with a farra and a bunga in his turban.

Maharaja amar singh of ajmer

Traditional middle indian turban

And style of turban should not matter anyones spirituality or fighting skill as we have mahapursh and shaheeds wearing both the styles of turbans.

Instead of finding of spirituality in what turban to wear what color to wear what clothes to wear what to eat what to drink size of kara size of kanga long or short kashera etc etc etc one should start reading bani.

In the end how much time you spend in naam simren bani seva will matter not which turban you wore.

[BhaiSukhSingh]

I am seriously considering wearing dummalla myself.. but don't know how to... any tips or tutioral?

singh search youtube for how to tie a damalla

[dalsingh101]

This is an interesting contemporary image of Sikh soldiers in the Anglo-Sikh battle of Mudki. Here they are killing a captain of the 3rd Light Dragoons.

As we can see, Singhs dastars have come off by this point and even their kesh has become open. They are still carrying on with the battle though.

It is a good idea to always carry a bandana/romal in your pocket, so should you get into an altercation and loose your dastaar you can cover your kesh with the romal.

[kds1980]

yea ur rite but when Guru Jee said "seva lakh se ek laro" im sure Guru Jee ment strength in numbers to be honest its our parents fault they want us to be lawyers or doctors but wats the point having millions if u gonna have you besti done infront of ur singhni or sons and daughters

sikh pride groups ? come on khalsa jeo this is not batman and robin

look at the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5udZ5ed48iE

your telling me if that was a dUmmalla a few feet long that would come off so easy

i am sorry if i sound harsh

I don't think when Guru ji said sava lakh then it means strength in numbers.Even in Sikh history we have not seen One sikh defeating sava lakh .Anyway my point is That it is not the issue of Turban .One can even put alchohol or tobacco in Sikh Turban then what ? Sikh pride group or not again my point here is Sikhs have to settle score on Ground level and have to create fear in other communities so they don't mess with Sikhs.

[BhaiSukhSingh]

I don't think when Guru ji said sava lakh then it means strength in numbers.Even in Sikh history we have not seen One sikh defeating sava lakh .Anyway my point is That it is not the issue of Turban .One can even put alchohol or tobacco in Sikh Turban then what ? Sikh pride group or not again my point here is Sikhs have to settle score on Ground level and have to create fear in other communities so they don't mess with Sikhs.

bruv u heard of sarcasm seva lakh means one singh fighting agaionst 120 000 dusht !!!!!!