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CS-First, my point was not about Reyat specifically or his innocence. The victims were the most innocent and your clichéd distortion takes us further from justice for those victims. But you want an answer. Start with facts available to you, rather than relying on false and disrespectful “investigative reporting” around a massive tragedy. You help propagate those falsehoods. Here is one very short ‘answer’. Keep reading. Since you raise it, Reyat very well may be innocent at law. Exploring that properly may lead closer to some justice for those most innocent, being the families that died. Reyat was without a doubt prosecuted improperly at just about every stage. (Edward Greenspan the one of the leading criminal law scholars in Canada says this: “ Instead of engaging in "Enron accounting," the Crown should inform the public that this man is not getting away with murder, because he didn't commit murder.” & Read articles below). You need to do no more than read each of his cases and very few other facts that have arisen to to conclude there is a very likely miscarriage of justice. People decades from now will be talking about how Canada repeatedly through it’s actions and inaction disowned the “foreign” looking victims and their families while improperly participating in a witch hunt against Reyat. You ask who Reyat made the bombs for. How crass of you to opine at length on a tragedy of this magnitude and not be bothered to read very basic facts. He did not make bombs according to Crown. The Agreed Statement of Facts with Crown that formed part of the plea says as follows: In May and June, 1985, in the province of British Columbia, Mr. Reyat acquired various materials for the purpose of aiding others in the making of explosive devices. Mr. Reyat was told and believed that the explosive devices would be transported to India in order to blow up property such as a car, a bridge or something "heavy". Although Mr. Reyat acquired materials for this purpose, he did not make or arm an explosive device, nor did he place an explosive device on an airplane, nor does he know who did or did not do so. Read the articles below then reread hte following 3 paragraphs. Even the bare bones in the 2003 plea bargain is in question given the 1991 trial and ultimate lack of evidence in 2003. After reading the below articles one must ask where is the re-trial of the 1991 sham prosecution of Reyat if the truth around AI is so important? Not only was there a blatant non-disclosure of critical evidence that would have resulted in an acquittal, but incredibly an RCMP officer testified at the 2003 AI trial that sealed evidence itself was later tampered with at RCMP headquarters after the 1991 trial. This is about respect for those who were killed. The political layers of spin re Reyat, Parmar has not helped. Reyat’s case and an endless list of other uninvestigated issues should be of concern to anyone who is concerned about the truth re AI. Where is the investigation to determine whether this was an abuse of process, malicious prosecution, or criminal negligence? Where are those fearless leaders and media columnists who purport to care so much? Hiding behind you and your ilk, that’s where. Shame! ---- Reyat lawyers argued first trial unfair: transcript Blatchford, Christie. National Post [Don Mills, Ont] 18 Feb 2003: Crown says failure to tell defence about witness statement in '91 trial not an issue Disclosure problems over critical evidence from a key witness may have been a driving force behind the controversial plea bargain concluded in British Columbia Supreme Court this week with Inderjit Singh Reyat. That evidence, the National Post has learned, was first discovered by Reyat's current defence team only late last December and only began to be fully fleshed out last month. On Monday, the 51-year-old Reyat pleaded guilty to manslaughter for his role in gathering the ingredients used to make the terrorist bomb that blasted Air-India Flight 182 out of the skies on June 23, 1985, and killed 329 people, most of them Canadians. Anguished relatives of the victims immediately reacted with outrage and bewilderment to the sudden deal that saw Reyat given a five-year sentence. But the answer to their collective question -- why, after almost two decades of painstaking and multi-million-dollar investigation, would prosecutors agree to a deal less than two months before jury selection in the trial proper was set to begin? -- appears to be connected to Reyat's conviction almost 12 years ago in another bombing. That June day almost 18 years ago, two lethal bombs exploded within an hour of one another. The second was the one that caused the Air-India jet to be blown apart over the North Atlantic Ocean off Ireland. The first, contained in luggage that was destined for transfer to another Air-India flight, exploded in the New Tokyo International Airport in Narita, Japan. Two baggage handlers were killed. Reyat was charged with manslaughter in the Narita bombing and on May 10, 1991, was convicted after a judge-alone trial before Mr. Justice Raymond Paris of the B.C. Supreme Court, and later sentenced to 10 years in prison. Though there was a wealth of damning evidence against Reyat in that case -- cardboard and tape and other materials that matched fragments meticulously recovered from the blast and testimony from several witnesses who said Reyat had been trying to acquire dynamite that spring and was openly voicing his hatred for the Indian authorities over its army's bloody assault the year before on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, the holiest of Sikh sites -- arguably the most important single piece was a receipt for a Sanyo tuner bearing a rare stencil. That receipt, discovered at his Duncan, B.C., home, bore Reyat's name and appeared to show that he had personally purchased the tuner -- which sophisticated tests determined had housed the Narita bomb - - less than three weeks before the blast. Judge Paris referred at least seven times in his judgment to the supposed purchase by Reyat, and clearly accepted it as fact. In one such reference, for instance, the judge wrote that "records from a Woolworth's store in Duncan disclosed that the accused had purchased such a tuner on June 5, 1985." But, as Reyat's defence lawyers discovered recently, the Woolworth's clerk who had sold the tuner to two East Indian men had originally told police and later said in the presence of a prosecutor that Reyat was not one of them. The clerk's description of the buyer never matched Reyat's appearance, either in 1985 or now. Nor did composite sketches of the two men drawn from her description fit Reyat. Post sources independent of the courtroom -- where until about two weeks ago the Air-India trial judge, Mr. Justice Ian Bruce Josephson, was presiding over pre-trial motions involving Reyat's defence -- say this witness, Karen Smith, always maintained Reyat looked nothing like the two East Indian men in her store. At some point, Mrs. Smith apparently went to Reyat's workplace, Auto Marine Electrical, where she confirmed that the bearded, turbaned man was not one of the pair who had bought the tuner. A prosecutor, the Post has learned, was present with a police officer when Mrs. Smith was interviewed before the start of the 1991 trial, as is commonly done to prepare witnesses for court. In that interview, she reiterated her evidence that Reyat was not the man who bought the tuner. Geoff Gaul, a spokesman for the Crown's office, said late yesterday he couldn't confirm the prosecutor knew this information had not been disclosed to the defence, but said that regardless, "the Crown is confident that any non-disclosure of this sort in the previous trial would not have impacted" the Air-India proceedings. But the information was allegedly never disclosed to Reyat's lawyers, either those who represented him at trial in 1991 or at his subsequent unsuccessful appeal of his conviction at the B.C. Court of Appeal. In fact, the Post has learned from sources outside the courtroom, the first inkling the defence team had of Mrs. Smith's statements came almost accidentally just before the court break at the Air- India pre-trial last December, when the Reyat team was arguing a motion before Judge Josephson. During the holidays, the lawyers apparently did more digging, and by late last month, their allegations over improper prosecutorial disclosure had become the focus of another complex motion. It was, sources say, shortly after three police officers had testified that court broke again, and the first discussions between the prosecutors and Reyat's lawyers began. These were in the beginning geared at coming to what's called an "agreed statement of fact" surrounding Mrs. Smith's evidence and the disclosure issues, the aim to obviate the necessity of perhaps having to call the involved prosecutor as a witness. But the talks soon turned into full-blown plea resolutions and the deal that was formalized this week. Mr. Gaul, however, said the timing was "absolutely coincidental" and the disclosure issue "played no role whatsoever" in the plea discussions or eventual deal. The Post has obtained a transcript of Mrs. Smith's testimony at the first trial, where she was carefully questioned by prosecutor Richard Cairns. Mr. Cairns is a member of the team now prosecuting Ajaib Singh Bagri, who, with Ripudaman Singh Malik, still faces an array of charges, including murder, in both the Narita bombing and the Air- India one. It is their trial that is slated to begin March 31. Mrs. Smith's examination-in-chief was brief, and is contained on fewer than six pages. Much of it revolved around the actual bill and the customer receipt and the meaning of various numbers such as the store and product codes. Reading from the bill, Mr. Cairns then asked, "Then it says deliver to, and it's got, R-E-Y-A-T." Mrs. Smith replied, "That would be the name the customer gave me." "So that information was supplied by the customer?" Mr. Cairns asked. "Yes," said Mrs. Smith. A little later, Mr. Cairns asked her, 'Now, the individual that made this purchase, Mrs. Smith, can you describe him to the best of your ability?" "It was an East Indian customer," she said. "Is that the best you can do?" Mr. Cairns asked. "That's about it," she said. "And was he accompanied by anybody?" Mr. Cairns asked. "He was accompanied by another East Indian," she said. She was never asked what many lawyers consider the natural follow- up question -- that is, if she saw either of those East Indian men in the courtroom. A little later still, after some questions about another tuner that was used by prosecutors as a sort of control for comparison purposes, Mr. Cairns told Judge Paris, "No further questions, my Lord." One of Reyat's defence lawyers at the time, Mark Hilford, unaware of her earlier statements to police, conducted an even briefer cross- examination, and pressed Mrs. Smith only once for a better description of the two men. All she could say, she told him, was that one man was taller than the other, and that she had dealt mostly with the taller man. The alleged disclosure problem with Reyat's first trial, Post sources say, served both to weaken the case against him in the Air- India trial and arguably even to bolster the defence contention that he was only ever a low-level player who was, by Mrs. Smith's evidence, perhaps even set up to the degree that he was identified by the two mysterious East Indian men -- they have never been found or identified -- who were actually in the Woolworth's store and who provided the clerk with Reyat's name and phone number. Poignantly, after Reyat learned that he was being fingered as the purchaser of the tuner, he actually returned to the Woolworth's store in Duncan in an effort to confront the clerk and say it hadn't been him. This was apparently held out at the 1991 trial as evidence of what in law is called "consciousness of guilt." Judge Paris referred to it obliquely in his decision, saying Reyat "apparently attempted to persuade some Crown witnesses that their recollections and records of what he had done during the period leading up to the explosion were inaccurate." The judge noted that these actions were "consistent with those of a guilty person," but then added, presciently, "I hesitate to infer too much from them because in certain instances they could be consistent by themselves (though not in the context of this case) with the actions of an innocent person who was imprudently denying facts which he thought might wrongly inculpate him." Reyat didn't buy tuner used in Narita bombing, testimony reveals ROBERT MATAS Vancouver — From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Published Wednesday, Feb. 26 2003, 1:54 AM EST Testimony about a possible cover-up of crucial evidence in the Air-India case and about unexplained tampering with sealed information in a police file was heard shortly before a controversial plea-bargain deal was struck with Inderjit Singh Reyat.as struck with Inderjit Singh Reyat. The evidence, presented at the pretrial hearing last month, dealt with the purchase of a $129 Sanyo tuner that police believed contained the bomb that exploded on June 23, 1985, at Japan's Narita Airport, killing two baggage handlers. One hour later, a bomb explosion aboard an Air-India flight killed 329 people. Police allege the two bombs were placed on the aircraft in Vancouver by Sikh militants seeking revenge against the government of India. Karen Smith, the salesclerk who sold the tuner used in the Narita bomb, told police that Mr. Reyat was not the man who bought it, Edward Ross Drozda testified in B.C. Supreme Court on Jan. 29. Mr. Drozda, a retired RCMP officer who worked on the Air-India case from 1985 to 1992, also said that the clerk's statement to police may not have been disclosed to Mr. Reyat's defence lawyers when he was tried and convicted in 1991 of helping to make the bomb that killed the baggage handlers. The court prohibited the media from reporting Mr. Drozda's testimony until Tuesday. Mr. Justice Ian Bruce Josephson of the B.C. Supreme Court lifted the publication ban in response to an application from The Globe and Mail. Mr. Reyat was convicted in 1991 in part because of police evidence that indicated he had bought the tuner at a Woolworth store on June 5, 1985. The B.C. Court of Appeal upheld the lower court's decision, accepting that "the evidence established that [Mr. Reyat]purchased ... one of only five tuners which could have housed the bomb." Police linked the tuner to Mr. Reyat after tracing a fragment found at Narita Airport to a stock of tuners at a Woolworth store in Duncan, B.C., the town where Mr. Reyat lived. In August, 1985, police found an unsigned invoice at the store with "R-E-Y-A-T" written in the "deliver to" area. Under intense police questioning in November, 1985, Mr. Reyat said he bought the tuner and told police where they could find a copy of the receipt. However, Mr. Reyat has also contradicted himself, saying that a man staying at his home bought the tuner and took it with him when he left. Mr. Reyat has said he did not know the man's name. On the final day of testimony before prosecutors negotiated a plea bargain with Mr. Reyat, Mr. Drozda testified that the salesclerk gave a statement to police on Aug. 19, 1985, about selling the tuner to two South Asian men. About a month later, she informed police that she happened to see Mr. Reyat, and he was not the person who bought the tuner, Mr. Drozda said. Two days later, Ms. Smith described the purchaser while giving a statement to police while under hypnosis. Her description did not fit Mr. Reyat, the court was told. However, at Mr. Reyat's trial, neither Mr. Reyat's defence lawyers nor the prosecutors asked Ms. Smith whether the purchaser was in the court room.Although the pretrial hearing was stopped before Judge Josephson ruled on the significance of failing to disclose Ms. Smith's statements to police, the issue came up in court earlier on another matter. Mr. Reyat's lawyers had previously argued that evidence collected by police in his home in November, 1985, subject to a search warrant, should be excluded because his constitutional rights had been violated, in part, by the failure to include Ms. Smith's statements in the application for the warrant. Judge Josephson dismissed defence arguments about the importance of the failure to disclose the information, ruling on Dec. 13, 2002, that it "appears to have been through inadvertence." In his plea-bargain deal, Mr. Reyat admitted that he acquired material that was used for the Air-India bomb, but said he did not make the bomb or know who placed it on the airplane. He did not identify the bomb-making items he bought. During Mr. Drozda's testimony, the court also heard that an unidentified person had tampered with two boxes of sealed documents from the Narita trial. The boxes, stored at Vancouver RCMP headquarters, contained copies of documents setting out information disclosed to Mr. Reyat's defence lawyers during the Narita trial. Mr. Drozda testified that the boxes were sealed in 1992 after the trial. But on the day before he testified in the Air-India pretrial hearing, Mr. Drozda discovered the seal was broken. Some material had been removed and other material had been inserted, he said. Mr. Reyat has spent 10 years in jail for his role in making the bomb that exploded in Japan. Earlier this month, he pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the Air-India deaths, admitting he acquired materials that were used in that bomb.

WJKK WJKF You do not need to be rude, we are all sikhs here. If you did not want to contribute to such a topic then why contribute? Just refrain from giving your view and let other sangat members converse. WJKK WJKF

Read their scriptures enough material to hit them hard is in there.

Anandpur Sahib, Punjab (March 17, 2014): In a move that would surprise many, Giani Gurbachan Singh, the jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib appealed to Sikh couples to have four children. Giani Gurbachan Singh was speaking to media persons at Anandpur Sahib on March 17, 2013. The Akal Takht Jathedar said that the previous governments had given a slogan ‘hum do hamare do’ to the people of the country which was followed by Sikhs. He said that as a result of the above call and policy of the government, the number of Sikhs has gone down heavily and it making an adverse impact on the progress of Sikh community, the state and the country. The Jathedar told media persons that the number of Sikhs was very high at the time of Guru Nanak Sahib which has been going down regularly. He said that it was time to shun the slogan ‘hum do hamare do’ and adopt the slogan ‘hum do hamare chaar’. The Jathedar said that the above approach was in the benefit of the Sikh community. He said that it would take the ‘Qaum’ ahead in Religion, Politics and would also be good for the future of the Sikh families, the community, the state and the country. http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2014/03/17/giani-gurbachan-singh-urges-sikhs-to-have-four-children/

Nihang Singh's go anti clockwize because they say that the human heart is on the left and that they want to keep the heart close to Guru Jee when they do parkarma. It really doesn't matter that much. Bhai Gurdas talks about benefits of parkarma, End of the day if you not following the teachings what use is parkaram. More important to rise at the early hours of the day and do simran and bani jaap for 20 hours with 4 hours sleep. Everything else is vanity

Agree

good advise by the Akal Takht. He should have also talked about female infanticide since so many children are being murdered in the womb by their own mothers and fathers. The impotent and barren way of thinking of today's Sikhs is really sad. They see their own children as a burden, especially the girl child. And for a nationless people like the Sikh community which is a small minority as it is, they need to have a positive birth rate of at least 3 children in order to have a healthy demographic growth. Anything less than that will not grow the community and we might very well end up like the dwindling Parsi community.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Will get right on it once there are a couple of SGPC sevadaars dispatched to my house to help the wife and I to manage and help raise them...

excellent post budda singh ji

No one is going to answer your question ,"You have chosen not at answer the question I asked, what would your advice to the Sikh leadership have been in 1947 based on what was happening around them?" I believe Mater Tara Singh did the right thing at that time.But you have so many self proclaimed experts today who deny this fact.

So lets get this straight Any normal person can track their iphone from anywhere around the world, but the worlds high intelligence government agencies cant locate a plane of that size? Don't make sense. I think they know where it is but aren't telling.

How can you claim that every book, thesis and report accepts that more Muslims were killed when you haven't read them all. I suggest you stop making blanket statements that cannot be backed up. As I stated earlier there are very few works which look at the complete picture and all of them make estimates and none use accepted scientific methods. So you are basing your argument on estimates. If your claim is correct and less Sikhs and Hindus were killed than Muslims, then it was not on the want of trying on the part of the Muslims. Sikhs were better organised and their refugee trains were under the control Jathedars of local Akali jathas and included ex-soldiers who knew about defensive tactics. The Muslim plan was to drive out or make the Sikhs and Hindus into emasculated minorities in West Punjab but leave the Muslim minorities in East Punjab as a fifth column. The Muslim way is always to attack the non-Muslims and when there is retaliation then play the victim card. You have chosen not at answer the question I asked, what would your advice to the Sikh leadership have been in 1947 based on what was happening around them?

actually its simpletons who believe in conspiracies that you state genie care to explain what I posted what was anti sikhi??

Arent you that same guy whose been posing as a sikh and was posting anti-sikh stuff in the air india thread a few days ago? This is not a conspiracy theory its conspiracy fact the educated and intelligent individuals around what world know whats going on I guess the simpletons wont agree or the ones trying to conceal the truth wont agree and will try to suppress and oppress the debate

I think most of these conspiracy theories like this one posted on this thread are dumb and this thread should be shut down

There is not enough anti-hindu news posting on sikh news media. There are countless stories of Hindu men gang raping and killing innocent women on delhi buses and raping their own daughters at home, raping even poor animals in Indian media over the years yet our own Sikh media fails to pick those stories up and give the hindu facists / indian nationalists a taste of their own medicine. This is why they call you surds become sardars have become happy clappy burrly jolly 3ho hippy jokes and not the fierece counter attackers they were known to be in the past. Time for our lads to wise up train in the art of propaganda and media... it is time to specialize in the dark arts of demonisation of india, hindus, hindustani's as they have done of our faith and people from 1950s/60s/70s/80s/90s and still carrying on today but a bit more subtlety.

Tryed using this while doing simran and felt very different to how i normally feel when doin simran. It helps in stimulating your 3rd eye quiker as it uses frequencies thats activate that part of the brain Check it out and also read the comments under the video And leave feedback on here

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its a puratan maryada to keep a person reciting bani on your right and always infront of you our guru's followed it rigirously same principal lies when doing parikrama people use their manmat in dargahi maryada , same were the people present in guru sahibs time , same they are now they who do will have to answer it later at dargah follow maryada and leave everything else on guru sahib

Eveything is viewed according to one´s level of consciousness. Nobody can convince anyone, for that one has to reap or mature. Like a professor of university talks about chemistry and formulas, and a a first grade student listens to it by chance, he will say, what are you saying...I know 2 +2 is 4. It is only time that one needs to grow up. If one is not ready, even if Wahiguru comes and try to make one understand, one will simply not understand. The example is as, when all the mahapurukhs come, how many of the people believe their teachings, or others slander them...when they do give the same teachings to all, but then why do some accept and others see the totally opposite side, and abuse them physically, that also when they only speak the Truth, in simple words? Because they have a different levels of consciousness, conditioned by past sanskaras also. Nothing more to discuss, at least from my side. No need for it, before it goes out of sense. But anyhow I can only sincerely wish you the best of luck, may you succeed and achieve your goals according to your thinking.

This is a ‘before and after ‘ picture of Baaz Singh. That is to say Baaz Singh BEFORE he was falsely imprisoned for the best part of 20 years and AFTER he has now come home, on parole leave. The picture speaks a thousand words and shows a man who has not only been robbed of his youth, but how the rigors of prison life have turned him into a ‘bag of bones’. Twenty years ago, Baaz Singh was a happy, healthy, tall and strong man living in the village of Ratta Khera near Mukatsar. But in the dark days of the 1990’s, the Punjab Police were hunting down innocent, young Sikh men in their greed for the rewards and promotions promised by high ranking officials, as the price placed on the head of “each Sikh”. In 1990, the police registered a case against Baaz Singh for alleged connections with the freedom movement - making him a wanted man. Knowing that if the Police caught him, at best he would be tortured and thrown into prison for a long time or at worst, he would be tortured and then killed in a fake encounter, Baaz Singh went into hiding. The Police came to his family home to arrest him several times but he managed to evade them. In 1993, after three years on the run and the continued harassment of his family, Baaz Singh eventually took the decision to hand himself into the Police. He was then framed in a number of cases and sent to Amritsar Central Jail. After about 8 months, Ropar Police demanded that Baaz Singh be handed over to them in connection with another case. Therefore, in November 1993 he was sent to Police custody, which in India means you are taken ‘under the radar’ and it is usually within this time frame that the Police use torture techniques to get a confession for whatever crime they are trying to set you up with. Later in that same year, Ropar Police sent a message back to his family that Baaz Singh had escaped from custody and died when he fell into a river and drowned. This brought great pain to his already distressed family, but then some months later Baaz Singh actually returned home after the Police had done their worst to him. A period of four years passed, but Baaz Singh’s story was about to take another twist. In 1997 Malout Police came to arrest Baaz Singh from his home and charged him under the Indian Penal Code Section 302 for murder, Section 307 for attempted murder and Section 324 for possession of dangerous weapons. He was sentenced to life imprisonment by Faridkot Sessions Court in 2000 and was sent to Amritsar Central Jail. Although few people know or have heard of Baaz Singh, he has been in prison continuously since 1997 even though the sentence he was given expired in 2007. For the past seven years Baaz Singh has been lingering behind bars when there is nothing to keep him in jail for a single minute more, but for the fact that his paperwork is tangled in the fraught Indian judicial ‘system’ and has not been completed thus far. The mental anguish of each day spent there being another day of his freedom taken away from him, is etched all over Baaz Singh’s face. Baaz Singh’s impeccable character earned him great respect whilst in prison and he has been appointed gatekeeper in the barracks for the last 13 years. His good conduct means that he has been granted parole on over 20 occasions. On one of these home visits, he managed to take part in his daughters wedding. He also has a son in his late teens – who for most of his life has been denied the pleasure of his fathers love. Baaz Singh yearns to return home to his wife Parmjit Kaur and elderly mother, Parkash Kaur who is in her 70’s, to resume the role of carer and breadwinner. SOPW and our legal team have been working hard on Baaz Singh’s case and all efforts are being undertaken to speed up the relevant paperwork. We are monitoring his case very closely and hope to see it through to its rightful conclusion very soon. Meanwhile, we are providing welfare for his family whose financial standing took a serious hit with no other source of income in the absence of the breadwinner. We provide all the educational fees for his 17 year old son, Jujhar Singh, who is studying in Class 12 to ensure that this family who have faced so many struggles in the past, can see hope and success in the future. Visit our website to make a donation: www.prisonerwelfare.org Or: www.justgiving.com/SOPW Via SMS (£5 or £10) - Text: SOPW13 £10 To: 70070 Via Bank: HSBC, Account Number: 41572733, Sort Code:40-42-13 International IBAN no: GB75MIDL40421341572733 Swift/BIC code: MIDLGB2155M Sikh Organisation For Prisoners Welfare (SOPW)

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Meerut, Uttar Pradesh (March 06, 2014): According to information Swami Vivekanand Subharti University (SVSU) authorities expelled at least 67 Kashmiri students from the University and asked them to vacate the hostel rooms. They have been ‘charged’ with celebrating Pakistan’s victory over India in a recent cricket match. The students were expelled on March 03. “You cannot pass judgments against your own national team,” Manzoor Ahmed, vice chancellor of Swami Vivekanand Subharti University in Meerut (Uttar Pradesh) reportedly said explaining the decision to remove the students. “Their behavior was not conducive to peace on the campus. It creates bad blood with the local boys”, the V-C reportedly added. As per recent reports the police has booked these Kashmiri students with ‘sedition’. “A group of Kashmiri students at a private college in Meerut, Uttar Pradesh, have been booked for sedition after they cheered Pakistan during a cricket match that India lost”, NDTV reported on March 06. Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister (CM) Omar Abdullah has expressed covens over the developments in this matter. “Have just spoken to CM UP who has assured me he will personally look in to the matter of the Kashmiri students in Meerut ,” tweeted CM Omar Abdullah, who described the charges against as “unacceptably harsh punishment that will ruin their futures & will further alienate them.” However, Omar Abdullah described the students as “misguided” and said they should “introspect” because some of them were attending college on the strength of scholarships from the Indian Prime Minister. The college has alleged that the students celebrated loudly in the dorm and raised pro-Pakistan slogans, which led to a fight with other students and escalated into vandalism and stone-throwing. The students were suspended and sent home almost immediately. Some of them have returned to Jammu and Kashmir and others are staying with friends. They say the college first told them they were suspended for three days, but has since not allowed them back. As per reports no action was taken against any ‘local’ students with whom Kashmiri students were said to have come in altercation. Bolo Bharat Mata ke jai lol

This happened a few minutes away from the Harmandir Sahib, it shows how little the Sikhs can do in India. One Kirpan against a mob is of little use, when Sikhs are attacked its always against a massive mob, often aided by the Police. Our Jathabandis need to take collective action, however most are under the control of India and have done nothing.A bigger insult is that it happens on Hola Mohlla, the anti Sikh groups are basically saying the Sikh warriors are for show only these days.If only a few Nihangs turned up in Amritsar they would get the message however no one comes to a Sikhs aid.

So why is it that when Sikhs do something good, they are lumped with the majority community but when it is a crime, then their religion is mentioned? So typical of Indian media. I'm not even surprised anymore. But it is still disgusting to see it happen.

WJKK WJKF,When people from this caste chak amrit as many other castes did, they were and still are continuously reminded of their pre-caste by people who call themselves sikhs. We talk about inter-faith marriage, yet within the so called mainstream society we still do not encourage marriage within sikh communities due to the wide spread belief of caste, everyone sticking to their own basically. When our panth is Nirmal and the khalsa is pure and equal, people who claim themselves to be sikh have never let other people from other heritages be equal. That is why these people after so many yaers of injustice have split, wrongly I agree, as it is not the religion which is at fault, however the ones who deem themselves to be religious. So after all these years of people calling them chamars, even when they are amrit dhari, they have turned ther back to sikhi, instead of the people who claim falsely they are sikh. Now we are stating that people who are against the progression of sikhi like nirankaris are relating it to their caste? We as the sikh community did this, before anyone else and we still are to other communities. When ones caste is used in a derogatory manner, that community of people will then try and claim that term back, like how Our African brothers and sisters call one another "nig**r" also how Pakistani people refer themselves as "p*ki". When a chamar Chaks amrit, they should of been refered to as khalsa, not chamar sikh. Even today, a khalsa who was from mazabhi decent is still termed as a mazabhi sikh? So again, my point is within mainstream sikhi, were great at giving caste references to our own fold and having the same hierarchy in western countries what stil exists in India. So we should look at what we do as a kaum and how far we take our sikhi, also the defamation of our faith we do within sikhi ourselves and asses our understanding of the equal, casteless, colourless, genderless Nirmal panth of shiri guru nanak dev ji. The reason behind the people of India excepting amrit was the equality it offered under waheguru, this also being the reason why many from the Hindu faith converted to various other religions like Christianity and Islam to break their aste affiliation of the inequality of Hinduism. sagal dhuaar ko shaadd kai gehiyo thuhaaro dhuaar | baahi gehae kee laaj as gobindh dhaas thuhaar |864| O Lord ! I have forsaken all other doors and have caught hold of only Thy door. O Lord ! Thou has caught hold of my arm; I, Govind, am Thy serf, kindly take (care of me and) protect my honour.864. Unfortunately as the sikh kaum, we do not protect one another's honour, we now point fingers at others blaming them for the cracks we helped make. WJKK WJKF

Could you provide me with any quotes or information on this? I know Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn't mention the kakaars at all (since Guru Gobind Singh Ji's work was never included), but is there anywhere in Dasam Granth which actually references the kakaars?

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I've been in Heston/Southall for a while and will be most of August. Been going to both Gurudwaras everyother day. I noticed that there's not much sangat at Havelock Gurudwara (new one) and loads at Park Avenue. Just wondering if there's a specific reason for this. I couldn't work one out, or is it people just got used to going to Park Ave.? I don't know anyone here and wanted to know where to meet good sangat n stuff cos I've been soo bored lol.... :wub: WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

This is right up there with naming the airport in delhi after indira khan. insult after insult. they should just get it over with and name the road leading to Darbar Sahib as Ahmad Shah Abdali road. Or just name a town after Zakhriya Khan. Beant Sio, geez man, there is just so much a person with just a pinch of self confidence in the sikh identity can take. Shaheed Bhai Dilawar Singh Zindabaad, Punjab erects statues of tyrants, but the tru Sikh Kaum remembers their shaheeds and pay homage to their sacrifice.