Sikhs Khalistan And Jews Isreal

[Suchi]

9 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Maybe it is something related to their religion where they think they are God's chosen people therefore we should all be beneath them and they should be ruling us? I have noticed all these abrahamic religions have this supremacist nonsense. Could it be?

There is that aspect. If you read the Talmud you'll see what their beliefs and practices are. There is also the aspect that @MisterrSinghrefers to. 

[MisterrSingh]

4 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Maybe it is something related to their religion where they think they are God's chosen people therefore we should all be beneath them and they should be ruling us? I have noticed all these abrahamic religions have this supremacist nonsense. Could it be?

Realistically, I think that whole Covenant with "God" and 'the Chosen People' narrative has bred an incredible sense of entitlement in them that no subsequent group has been able to challenge. Even Jewish atheists (they refer to themselves as cultural Jews) exhibit much of the same pride and entitlement as the religious types. If you read their Torah and Talmud you'd realise it's not so different from the Koran in terms of depravity and bloodthirstiness. Ironic that Muslim scriptures get hammered for their contents, when the Jewish scriptures are comparable in content but nobody puts them under the microscope.

All religions have a supremacist outlook. That's how they try to convince people to adhere to their beliefs AND inspire fear in opposing religions. "Raaj Karega Khalsa" isn't going to happen by handing out langar, is it?

[proudkaur21]

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Realistically, I think that whole Covenant with "God" and 'the Chosen People' narrative has bred an incredible sense of entitlement in them that no subsequent group has been able to challenge. Even Jewish atheists (they refer to themselves as cultural Jews) exhibit much of the same pride and entitlement as the religious types. If you read their Torah and Talmud you'd realise it's not so different from the Koran in terms of depravity and bloodthirstiness. Ironic that Muslim scriptures get hammered for their contents, when the Jewish scriptures are comparable in content but nobody puts them under the microscope.

All religions have a supremacist outlook. That's how they try to convince people to adhere to their beliefs AND inspire fear in opposing religions. "Raaj Karega Khalsa" isn't going to happen by handing out langar, is it?

But sikhi doesnt accept forced conversions like these abrahamics do. The khalsa rule shall come when we inspire people and show them the way of true ideals of our guru. How were our gurus able to inspire people to become Sikhs and become shaheed for the truth? Their actions proved their words. If a person looks at us modern Sikhs, our hedonistic low iq balle balle culture, our rotting homeland Punjab and how easily most sikhs give up their religion and culture to assimilate among goras how can they be inspired by Sikhi without seeings its ideals being implemented. The truth is that unlike other religions we still did not get the chance to have a proper society that ran according to Sikh ideals. The 50 year old Maharaja ranjit Singh's raj just ended up becoming a secular kingdom where he did many anti sikh things. The only difference was Sikhs were safe but now we are just wandering tribes with no safety net. We have to prove the ideals of sikhi through our action to inspire people to follow the path of truth rather than be engulfed in Maya. The thing that made me become strong in Sikhi was the stories of our shaheeds. How they gave up their everything for Sikhi. Their actions proved their ideals and set a precedent for us. Just look at us now. Why would anyone be inspired from us? We run away from Punjab and then come here and assimilate. If somebody sees you give up your ideals so easily why would they think their is any value to them? Abrahamic supremacy is just another thing. Like i said Muslims will try to gain control through increasing their population slowly and then establishing sharia at the detriment of non Muslims. Jews will try to subvert the societies by getting all these higher positions of power and keeping others beneath them. If someone controls the money supply they can do anything. Christians also do similar things by tricking people to convert and what not. Sikhi doesn't teach you to convert others through treachery.

[proudkaur21]

15 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

I think Jewish ppl are 1000 years ahead of us in history. Sikhs are only at the part where Jewish tribes were being exiled from Isreal at the time of the Egyptian empire. 

If we want to continue following their path and finally have success (ie Khalistan)  then we have to do what they did: keep a distinct identity, a growing population, and a millennial long strategy of enmeshing ourselves into powerful positions in economic and scie tific centers of those countries we immigrated to.

Although, I don't really buy the Jewish ppl are the mastermind behind the whole world economics etc that others above believe. I think if ppl remain smart and alert to their surroundings, and get rich enough without falling prey to vices, most ppl can have similar success to Jewish ppl. 

I remember reading the life of the father of Zionism. He was an intellectual growing up in 1900s Europewho supported communism like any other educated person in the 1900s. (Like most educated ppl support liberalism/social justice now esp sikhs) Life was good until the depression hit, and anti-semitism swept up Europe. Then like any other person, he felt hurt and stated we need our own country where we aren't pushed out after 100 years at the whims of governments and he thought the best place for this country was their origin: Isreal. Ofc it was just an idea but it spread in jews circles (yes they always had a religious idea of Iimportance of isreal before but it had never been articulated so clearly for political wellbeing of jews). And when the jews had the chance, they made that idea a reality. 

Yes there were Jewish families bank rolling kings and wars. But that'slike the Indian govt  getting paranoid because the Canadian minister of defense is a Sikh. Has nothing to do with Sikh interests or khalistan. 

 Currently there might be jews among the elite monopolies controlling the world. But the fact of monopolies is more dangerous than them being jews..

It doesn't make sense. Its not a few corporations. Its literally like a vast majority. Look who runs Hollywood. Look who owns most media corporations. They know that in order to have control over people they need to control these things like money supply, media, education and what not. Same as how Indian govt does in Punjab to our people.You are still not seeing the bigger picture. So many words can be twisted. Like now sometimes i wonder what we are reading about history how much is the truth? People who control these things can easily twist anything in their favour. You are still not understanding about how things are working. Why without the wishes of the people at the top you cannot get into these top political positions. Its not what it seems.

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Why without the wishes of the people at the top you cannot get into these top political positions. Its not what it seems.

And people have to acknowledge, racism plays a big part. Despite anti-semeticism, jews do benefit from white privilege.  

[Kau89r8]

saw this on ig 

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

And people have to acknowledge, racism plays a big part. Despite anti-semeticism, jews do benefit from white privilege.  

just look at biden's cabinet.

[dallysingh101]

Just now, proudkaur21 said:

just look at biden's cabinet.

So whilst we might be able to learn a thing or two from jews and israel, we shouldn't be blind to other factors that impact on the matter like racism, or things like (to put it bluntly) jews are probably more cerebral and intelligent than us (on average) - even if generally some Panjabi Sikhs may well be physically stronger. 

Plus they have been interacting with europeans (and muslims) for centuries up upon centuries longer than us. 

Given that, what realistic chance do we have of going down their route (that's if we wanted to)? 

[proudkaur21]

49 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

saw this on ig 

LOLLL this guy doesn't know anything of why things are the way they are.

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

just look at biden's cabinet.

Nevermind his cabinet, check his dinner table and his family tree!