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I do not know how to explain this you, but I’m not your average Singh. I stand out a mile away from others and I’m distinguishable even in a room full of Singh’s. My weight is nearly 16 stone, heavily built honestly with influence from steroids, have got a good size and look great. I would post a picture but I want to remain anonymous. I haven’t taken amrit yet but will do. I’m kesh dhari and tie a dumalla. I’m 21 yrs of age.

Recently I was racially abused in the area I reside in. I ignored the abuse as I knew I didn’t want to face the repercussion of retaliation because of my career in the public sector would be on the line. However the racism by this one white gentleman was extreme and consistent. He was abusing me whilst I was walking down the road in his car. His abuse was horrific however with some self control I managed to ignore it for 5 mins. However he continued with the abuse and asked for me to fight as his car came closer to me. His car was nearly mounting the kerb as I walked goading me.

My regret.

I reacted furiously I managed to punch him whilst he was driving by the kerb. This caused him to drive onto the pavement. He then got out of his car. So I went for him. Let just say I have experience in martial arts, I absolutely annihilated him. I couldn’t stop, an onlooker went to help the gora so I started on him too. I had both men on the ground and I was head stomping them.

Since that day last week I have felt so bad for what I have done, I cried in darbar sahib. Im not even amritdhari I felt like I needed to go pesh. I been doing seva everyday after work but things haven’t been the same. You don’t understand I literally destroyed that racist gora elbows to the jaw as he got up,etc it was completely sadistic what I did.

Sangat each Im depressed I feel so bad, how do I get out of this

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HOUSTON we have a problem! With the exception of a few brave warriors here who understand, it is alarming what the majority of young Sikh males think about this incident! I just finished speaking

Well Done Singh im proud of you!! ..Puraatan Singhs had a reputation of not taking no bullsh*t...we should provide warnings or ignore a dusht a couple times..if they persist....they should get dealt w

Veerji just asking..has anyone ever agressively threatened you....be it verbally or physically?...ive seen too many keshdhari singhs get intimidated...our youth is turning into a bunch of cowards...th

If it was provocation I can't say I blame you. Anyone of any race deserves the same. Good lad. They'll think twice before they abuse another Singh. You've got nothing to be ashamed of. Just don't make a habit of it lol.

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I do not know how to explain this you, but I'm not your average Singh. I stand out a mile away from others and I'm distinguishable even in a room full of Singh's. My weight is nearly 16 stone, heavily built honestly with influence from steroids, have got a good size and look great. I would post a picture but I want to remain anonymous. I haven't taken amrit yet but will do. I'm kesh dhari and tie a dumalla. I'm 21 yrs of age.

Recently I was racially abused in the area I reside in. I ignored the abuse as I knew I didn't want to face the repercussion of retaliation because of my career in the public sector would be on the line. However the racism by this one white gentleman was extreme and consistent. He was abusing me whilst I was walking down the road in his car. His abuse was horrific however with some self control I managed to ignore it for 5 mins. However he continued with the abuse and asked for me to fight as his car came closer to me. His car was nearly mounting the kerb as I walked goading me.

My regret.

I reacted furiously I managed to punch him whilst he was driving by the kerb. This caused him to drive onto the pavement. He then got out of his car. So I went for him. Let just say I have experience in martial arts, I absolutely annihilated him. I couldn't stop, an onlooker went to help the gora so I started on him too. I had both men on the ground and I was head stomping them.

Since that day last week I have felt so bad for what I have done, I cried in darbar sahib. Im not even amritdhari I felt like I needed to go pesh. I been doing seva everyday after work but things haven't been the same. You don't understand I literally destroyed that racist gora elbows to the jaw as he got up,etc it was completely sadistic what I did.

Sangat each Im depressed I feel so bad, how do I get out of this

You havent done anything wrong. It was destiny for those two island monkeys to get their heads kicked in that day, you just played your part. Probably not a good idea to post what you did on the net though.

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As long as you did not give them permanent damage you are ok. I think your feeling guilty because you took it too far. If you train in martial arts you know how far you can take it without permanently damaging someone. If your rage took over you could have seriously hurt someone, and knowing that can be pretty scary. That fact that you feel bad says a lot about you, and I am sure it will make your more reticent to do this in the future.

A good <banned word filter activated> beating could be a blessing for this guy, cause maybe he will reflect on how his big mouth got him beat down. Forget about it, learn from it, and move on.

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Brother, you were provoked. In fact he challenged you to fight. Ok, you attacked first but if he was actually going to the extent of pulling up to get out and fight you, who knows what he would and could have done (may have had a knife or whatever). Self defence experts and bouncers call this the pre emptive attack. You took it a bit far but you just have to get over it. This will teach you for next time (if there is unfortunately a next time). Once they are on the floor hurt, then just leg it. Just ask the Guru for forgiveness and you will be helped with your guilt and anger.

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Well Done Singh im proud of you!! :)..Puraatan Singhs had a reputation of not taking no bullsh*t...we should provide warnings or ignore a dusht a couple times..if they persist....they should get dealt with..a few slaps here and there most likely will wake the fool up..dont feel down brother..if i was there i would of gave you a great big hug...Singhs need to return back to their martial heritage....theres a reason why the british called us devils in battle..we were ferocious

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Wjkk wjkfateh

Although I'm not averse to the above suggestions, I would say that sometimes it's good to recognise that these reactions stem from ego. If you believed yourself to be truly nothing then you wouldn't be offended by such remarks. When you see maharaj in everyone if he says something impolite to you then it makes no difference, it's essentially him talking to himself. It's weird but its true, I'm not saying you have to be like this right now, but one day aim towards being like that. Like when Bhagat Kabeer ji sat on a horse with what looked like a prostitiute and alcohol in his hand, most of his town slandered him, bhagat kabeer ji did this to deter people from worshipping him, but also showed us that as a gursikh we should adopt a policy of

"Nindo nindo mo ko log nindo, ninda jan ko kharee piaree..."

-Slander me, slander me - go ahead, people, and slander me. Slander is pleasing to the Lord's humble servant.

As ustat (praise) is probably much worse than being slandered, being slandered reduces your ego whilst praise only elevates it :)

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Veerji just asking..has anyone ever agressively threatened you....be it verbally or physically?...ive seen too many keshdhari singhs get intimidated...our youth is turning into a bunch of cowards...theres a reason why young sikh girls dont turn to keshdhari singhs...its because were not the dominant males...we get pushed around by muslim mone...christain black mone...even sikh mone...wheres all our bir raas gone?....lets stop living on planet pluto...live in the real world!...where if you enter the wrong area you will get your face smashed in jusst for being a singh...where will your nimrata go then?

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Topic creator, do not feel bad. What you did is justified... even our Guru said raising the sword when provoked is righteous. Sikhs these days need to be brave as you were.

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I do not know how to explain this you, but I'm not your average Singh. I stand out a mile away from others and I'm distinguishable even in a room full of Singh's. My weight is nearly 16 stone, heavily built honestly with influence from steroids, have got a good size and look great. I would post a picture but I want to remain anonymous. I haven't taken amrit yet but will do. I'm kesh dhari and tie a dumalla. I'm 21 yrs of age.

Recently I was racially abused in the area I reside in. I ignored the abuse as I knew I didn't want to face the repercussion of retaliation because of my career in the public sector would be on the line. However the racism by this one white gentleman was extreme and consistent. He was abusing me whilst I was walking down the road in his car. His abuse was horrific however with some self control I managed to ignore it for 5 mins. However he continued with the abuse and asked for me to fight as his car came closer to me. His car was nearly mounting the kerb as I walked goading me.

My regret.

I reacted furiously I managed to punch him whilst he was driving by the kerb. This caused him to drive onto the pavement. He then got out of his car. So I went for him. Let just say I have experience in martial arts, I absolutely annihilated him. I couldn't stop, an onlooker went to help the gora so I started on him too. I had both men on the ground and I was head stomping them.

Since that day last week I have felt so bad for what I have done, I cried in darbar sahib. Im not even amritdhari I felt like I needed to go pesh. I been doing seva everyday after work but things haven't been the same. You don't understand I literally destroyed that racist gora elbows to the jaw as he got up,etc it was completely sadistic what I did.

Sangat each Im depressed I feel so bad, how do I get out of this

Lay off the steroids singh, this is anti gurmat and completely against sikhi. People here seem to be completely ignoring this. I think that you yourself realise that you should have used restraint. In the eyes of the law, we are allowed to use self defence, however we should use restraint. Beg to guru maharaj for forgiveness and stop the steroids singh.

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I'm going to have to offer a different view than what you have been getting thus far. The fact is while you were being verbally abused, you are the one that escalated it to a physical level. You did not even give the guy a chance to escalate the situation to a physical level. Its very good that you were ignoring the verbal abuse and kept on walking, but if and only if the guy was physically trying to hurt you should you have retaliated. That is what I think, not trying to put on a guilt trip. It's happened now. Reflect on the situation with a calm and cool mind and figure out what you need to do in order to avoid such behaviour in the future :)

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in my opinion what you did was sewa. He picked on you knowing you were a Singh. If you had walked away the next singh walking from college/work would have been his next target.

You did nothing wrong, you did everything right.

There's a line between slander and outright abuse. People misquote Gurbani to justify a submissive attitude, this is totally wrong. Slander of your attributes is something one needs to tolerate and ignore. Insults based on your Sikhi Saroop, without knowing anything about you, is not slander but is simply racist abuse, which can never be tolerated.

Gurbani says that we should aim to be in control of the 5 elements, not let them be in control of us.

We control krodh into bir rass.. we control kaam and use it for pro-creation, we control lobh & moh for desire and attainment of gurbani, sangat and vidhiya, we turn our personal hunkaar to pride of the Khalsa.

if we attempt to kill these elements off altogether, we'd be door mats open to abuse. - This is where the teachings of Budh,Yogi & Sadhus differ from the principles of the Khalsa. We must not confuse the two and end up preaching buddhism to our children.

This was racial abuse and you fisted him.

Your ardas should be for Maharaj to continue to give you the strength uphold the honor of the Khalsa, and for Maharaj to give sense to those that wish to abuse the Khalsa.

well played

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Well done Singh! I agree with most of the posters. If every Singh kicked the shyt out of any racist gora, musla or kala who was provoking him, 99.9% of the issues we have in the UK would be resolved. The posters on the other side also have a point as historically Sikhs have always allowed the enemy to have the first strike before responding. But in a street situation, you never know if the gora had a weapon so a first strike knocking him senseless is probably a good idea.

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