Edl 'sikh Divison'

[Hammertime007 553]

EDL has alot of diversity

[Hammertime007 553]

From FB unity getting stronger with EDL and Sikhs

English Defence League Sikh Division - EDL

49 minutes ago

top day at the demo yesterday. Many things to share but the one thing that sticks in my mind was at the start of demo There was a Muslim lady with hijab on and her husband with a kid in a pushchair walking down broad street, me and a steward helped them through the crowds to get them out. As we pushed through the demo not one word was said to them, our lads moved out their way for them. The speeches were great, the crowd were top, the Sikh division were well looked after which was my highlight of the day for me as it further shows we are not racist, we are not against all Muslims but we will stand as one against the threat of extreme Islam on our shores.

^ alot of people will be disapointed at the dignity held by the Sikh Divsion of EDL. In the fact they helped a Muslim women in a Hijab. No muslim would ever do this if there were in a sitiuation with thier opposite number

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Sikhs should neither endorse EDL or protest again them. Sikhs should be silent witness of whats happening in UK. Edl may have started as reaction of Islam fascism but they seem to have ulterior motives for white english country /same ideology of nazi KKK. They may be are much needed at this point to stop fight islamic fascism..iron can cut another iron. Sikhs should be neutral...I am thinking in overtime sikhs themselves need a group to raise voice against fascism of all kind (including hostile factions affecting their own)..we need our own "sikhs own make peace not war league" to win public opinion or exceed more credibility among masses..this is where gurbani tuk comes in, apply to all situations-

Hindu anna turku kana dhohan tey giani siyana. ||

[N30S1NGH 3,176]

I have a question to die hard followers of EDL if tom edl start lobbying Hindu Right Wing factions such as shiv sena, rss, bjp and congress followers in UK against islamic fascism.. What you will do then? Surely that be some awkward conflict of interest moment for you guys as it will directly in clash course with sikh political interest and against overall sikh sidhant of doing dirty proxy war.. Will you still support them?

Forget Edl we need KDL (Khalsa defence league) based on pure sikh sidhant - advait, nirbhaou, nirvair against fascist ideology of all kinds and forms not against limited to one specific group as fascism is global problem as it's human trait, many members of religious political groups are affected by it .

[sanjsingh 23]

The EDL may claim to be against Islamic extremism but their own actions are of extremists. They go outside Mosques while people are praying to almighty God, why on Earth do we want to ally ourselves to them? We Sikhs protect the rights of religious freedom not attack it, remember a couple of years ago during the London riots many Singhs guarded the Southall Mosque while our Muslim brothers prayed, that is what Sikhi is about. During that time we protected the Hindu jeweller shops which were a high priority for the looters, that is what Sikhi is about. Sikhi isn't about going to pubs while the EDL get tanked up and protest in the streets causing hatred in the community.

[sanjsingh 23]

The EDL may claim to be against Islamic extremism but their own actions are of extremists. They go outside Mosques while people are praying to almighty God, why on Earth do we want to ally ourselves to them? We Sikhs protect the rights of religious freedom not attack it, remember a couple of years ago during the London riots many Singhs guarded the Southall Mosque while our Muslim brothers prayed, that is what Sikhi is about. During that time we protected the Hindu jeweller shops which were a high priority for the looters, that is what Sikhi is about. Sikhi isn't about going to pubs while the EDL get tanked up and protest in the streets causing hatred in the community.

Sorry about the repeat post

[DailyMail 470]

EDL and in particular, the EDL leadership, deserve the 100% support of all civilised mankind, be they Sikh or otherwise. As has been repeatedly said by the EDL, they aren't against Islam per se, but only the Islamic extremists and the extremist <Edited> ideaology that underpins it. Don't be surprised if, in years to come, non-muslims in the UK (and other EU member states) will have to pay a tax, or should I say "jizyah" to live in Great Britain, simply because in 2013 a bunch of spineless Sikhs and so-called Sikh leaders opposed the EDL in the name of so-called "inter-faith" harmony. Grow a backbone! Wake up...and smell the sharia.

[proactive 4,038]

We already pay a form of unofficial Jizya because the people who want to bomb the country tend to be on the dole and it is our taxes that pay for it. Our taxes also pay for the extra security after an attack. A new form of Jizya now will be that after the attack on Mosques, they will now demand that the government pay for CCTV cameras to be installed in each Mosque!

[SeekingTheLight 58]

Most sense I have ever heard Tommy Robinson speak...

[Hammertime007 553]

^^^Unity and diversity

[Hammertime007 553]

More Unity and diversity

[singh1986 89]

In my opinion its really important to not start following a group in its hate against Islam just because they flatter Sikhs and Sikhi as Tommy does...

Some people need to ask themselves the question... Do you hate Islam or just Islamic extremists?! People say EDL and Tommy hate just Islamic extremism but his actions and words say something else he speaks against the Koran as if hes a scolar of it and calls it barbaric.... aren't we told in Gurbani not to speak bad of Islam and the Koran? You guys really wanna cheer people that mock Islam/koran and belief system of so many Sufi sants and Muslims who were blessed my our Gurus?!?!?

I love Islam and the people who follow it peacefully, I dont know where you guys have been bought up that you have so much hate for a faith group but I have some of the nicest, humblest Muslim friends and colleagues.... didn't Guru Hargobind Singh Ji build a mosque for Muslims!?... how would our Gurus feel if EDL turned up outside Mosques built by our Gurus and shouted "who the f**k is allah?" and "Muhammed is a peado"? What would people like Pir Buddha Shah say?

I understand that the EDL have reacted to Islamic extremism but I just don't get the mentality on the forum from fellow Sikhs whereby supporting and justifying the EDL has become accepetable... should some of you on this forum find it acceptable to shout slogans of intolerance and hate against Islam and smash up Muslim shops etc then I just dont understand how thats compatible with Sikhi!? Can someone provide me a historical context where our forefathers have launched a premtive strike on a perceived threat or agaisnt Muslims practising Islam?!

In my opinion, any group that attacks places of worship and religious beliefs is wrong! Guru Tegh Bahadur taught us to defend another's faith even if you don't believe it! I hope we can all put this into practice...

[proactive 4,038]

I love Islam and the people who follow it peacefully, I dont know where you guys have been bought up that you have so much hate for a faith group but I have some of the nicest, humblest Muslim friends and colleagues.... didn't Guru Hargobind Singh Ji build a mosque for Muslims!?... how would our Gurus feel if EDL turned up outside Mosques built by our Gurus and shouted "who the f**k is allah?" and "Muhammed is a peado"? What would people like Pir Buddha Shah say?

Are you sure your humble Muslim friends aren't calling you a filthy kuffar behind your back? Muslims are taught to make friends and treat them nicely in order that they may become Muslims. Search any 'ask the Imam' website and you will realise that friendship with non-Muslims always has an ulterior motive.

A lot is made of the Guru Ki Maseet but no evidence is every presented that it was actually built by Guru Hargobind ( not Guru Hargobind Singh!). Even if it were does that mean that Sikhs have a duty to build Mosques considering they will be used as a base to attack them in the future?

When the EDL shout who the f**k is Allah, this is because each and every terrorist attack is always a accompanied by the war cry of Allah Hu Akbar. So it isn't so hard to understand why EDL members shout what they do. Maybe if your humble Muslim friends are so concerned about the abuse of their god maybe they should be doing more to keep the more extreme members of their religion in check,

I understand that the EDL have reacted to Islamic extremism but I just don't get the mentality on the forum from fellow Sikhs whereby supporting and justifying the EDL has become accepetable... should some of you on this forum find it acceptable to shout slogans of intolerance and hate against Islam and smash up Muslim shops etc then I just dont understand how thats compatible with Sikhi!? Can someone provide me a historical context where our forefathers have launched a premtive strike on a perceived threat or agaisnt Muslims practising Islam?!

Muslims have had it easy in this country, Because the British didn't react after 9/11 and rather than making the Muslim community accountable for the actions of it's fanatics, the government was quick to bankroll Muslim propaganda by financing so-called Islam roadshows, Islam exhibitions etc. No wonder Muslims will always tell you off the record how 9/11 was a godsend for them because of the amount of exposure their religion has got in the media. The media has fallen over itself trying to show how Islam is such as peaceful religion. The only religion to have got something similar in the USA was Sikhism just after the Oak Creek Massacre. But the main difference was that Sikhs had been murdered by a Neo-Nazi and had not murdered thousands of non-Sikhs by crashing planes into the twin towers.

Historically our ancestors have always known that Islam, the real Islam and not the airey fairey Islam of the Sufis is a dangerous religion. Read any of the rehatnamas and don't be mislead that the term Turk is just a word for the Mughals and not for normal Muslims. Our ancestors banned the Azan where ever they ruled. Why would they do this, could it be because they Azan claims that the Muslim god is the only God worthy of worship? Is that not a challenge and an insult to non-Muslims? Weren't these Sikhs going against the example of Guru Hargobind? So either that or the so-called Guru Ki Maseet isn't really a Mosque built by the Guru.

[sat 544]

Sikhs need to be wise, edl are/could be using us to help get rid / reduce islam in the uk, but lets be honest if most (not all) goreh had there way we would also be on the first plane out of the uk, its only because our father/brothers stood up to racism in the 60,70,80s and even 90s, that we live these comfortable lives today, how many countries have these goreh left in turmoil and divisions after independence, it was these same people who split punjab and caused mass migration and then stood by and let bloodshed and rape happen and now we forget all of that and think they are our friends there is an old saying that apne bujarg used to say "Gorey pir bi goreh hi ah" in other words you cant trust them. but we live in their country and need to be wise obviously.

We have to be smart because pakistanis/kashmiris (note i dont use muslims because these cowards are not true muslims who follow Allah but finatics who follow a warped ideology by who ever ) have caused all the problems and they groom our children, so they are a big threat and yes maybe we need to side with the edl to rid society of this disease.

But can we trust the likes of edl and can we say that after they get what they want they like there forefathers and like so called hindu leaders/quom wont kick us in the teeth and turn against us, no we can not !!

At the moment we should stand quietly and observe, be present but not heard and if events turn in our favour then get involved and if they do not look to benefit us or are against Gurmat then walk away.

one thing is for sure we can not trust pakistanis/kashmiris at all !!!

Hatred of muslims/islam or any religion is against Gurmat and a no no for any sikh!

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Does people know Allah does come in gurbani few times, as attribute of of akaal purkh ? So to hear edl say- f**k allah what does that show?