Curfew Clamped In Saharanpur After Clashes, Arson

[jkvlondon]

Only Guru ji is our friend the rest ...is dependent on their actions weighed up against gurmat ... remember Guru Gobind Singh ji warned us not to trust EVER those who 'vow' to do something for us or that they will not do something ...so in this case Muslims and HIndus have broken many many promises. So you work it out ...

[Jonny101]

By the way, about 2 weeks ago in Boston we had Sikhs protesting against Israel for killing Palestinians, and few days ago we saw Sikhs start a petition asking President Obama to refuse Modi entry into US as he was responsible for the massacre of 3000 Muslims in Gujarat. I have already seen a number of opinions and videos on Facebook claiming these Saharanpur clashes to be a conspiracy hatched by the Hindutva forces.

Either we are still not aware as to who our real friends and real enemies are, or we fail to categorize who is our worst enemy, i.e. on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the worst enemy, where would you place Hindus and where would you place Muslims?

Hindus and Muslims are two different species. Very different from one another. A Hindu is good as long as he is your co slave, but once you live under his political domination, he will forget friendship and begin to act like the boss. The Sunni Muslim is neither your friend as a co slave nor as your ruler, he will turn on you either way. The only option for the Khalsa is Raaj because we have lived under the political domination of Sunni Muslims and Hindus. Both are unfair as rulers. Khalsa Raaj is the only solution. Sikhs were historically fair rulers. The rights of the Hindus and Muslims were protected, no one was persecuted.

I like the way the Kurdish people conduct themselves. They have remained neutral between the sectarian violence in the middle east but at the same time anyone who comes to their area for protection, they will protect them regardless of their religious or sectarian beliefs. That's how we should be.

[genie]

As the old saying goes the muslim extremist will stab facing you while the brahminwad hindu extremist will stab you in the back using all kinds of deception and tricks. Neither can be trusted and dont think many Sikhs do now...they have wised up to the events of 1947 and 1984 hence why most sikhs are lilly livered liberals now calling for sarba da bhalla and staying neutral rather than risk siding with any one side.

Both are snakes however the hindu extremist will let you live as long as they the boss and you dont ask for self governance and legislation for your own affairs. The Islamic extremist will want you to assimilate you into islam by converting you slowly under increasing harassment and discrimination or make you face extermination, minorities have a very hard time surviving under muslim majority rule.

Judging by the two I rather be on the hindutva side if it came down to it, as hindu's can be converted to Sikhi quite easily however muslims of today are mostly brain dead they have no ability to think freely beyond the 7th century arab supremest rubbish they are fed daily so harder to convert.

This is why Khalsa raj / khalistan is important for our future survival .... I have no doubt it will happen but will take many sacrifices, wise religious-political leaders and time.

[Mehtab Singh]

I guess Bhagat Naamdev jee made the decision already:

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥

The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.

I guess you guys can translate/interpret it the way you want to?

[vaddapaapi]

Guru ji sadddi bahn fadan .. it feels like sahnu har passe rulna peh reha.. ajj Guru sahb de bol yaad aunde ne.. jab eh karan bipran ki reet me na karoon inki parteet..

Singho one thing that I felt in these topics was hate... let them do what they're good at.. let us do what our gurus taught us.. to spread love.. guru hargobind sahib constructed a mosque for the same muslims that martyred guru arjan dev ji.. bir rass is important and guru sahb sahnu bal bakhshan ke assi apni koum di rakhya kar sakiye.. but ohi bal bakshan ke assi kisse innocent de ahit baray na sochiye

[lsingh]

From the news reports it looks the land mafia combined with Congress party activists to carry out the attacks , many of whom were Muslims thugs brought in from outside.What is more disturbing is the Uttar Pradesh police force that has a history of shooting Muslims did not come to the aid of the Sikhs. Police were deployed after the arson.

[SikhKosh]

Dhan Kalgidhar De Sher

[jkvlondon]

Dhan Kalgidhar De Sher

His name is Tajinder Singh not 'rinku' any way they can diminish us they try

[Mehtab Singh]

UP cops say Saharanpur riots were well-planned

Certain aspects of the Saharanpur clashes indicate meticulous planning by the rioters who had a singular agenda of dividing the Sikhs and Muslims in the western Uttar Pradesh district.
IG, Meerut Zone, Alok Sharma confirmed that the clashes were "pre-planned". "The riot was preplanned. The way the firing was done and shops were burnt indicate many possibilities...We are investigating all angles," he said.

The role of the civil and police administration is also under the scanner as the armed rioters had a free hand for nine hours till 4 pm on Saturday before the lathi-wielding policemen dispersed the mob.

ADG, Telecom, Devendra Singh Chauhan admitted that the local administration could have prevented the riots if decisions were taken promptly. "The district magistrate and the senior superintendent of police are expected to take prompt decisions in such situation.
The violence could have been averted if action was initiated at the proper time," Chauhan, who has been sent to Saharanpur as special observer, said.

The ADG said the rioters have been identified and police teams have been constituted to arrest them. The culprits will be booked under the stringent National Security Act, Chauhan added.

The rioters had a well-chalked plan as they first set ablaze the firebrigade office and fire tenders, crippling the department from carrying out any relief work. They then carried out looting and arson at the Ambala Road.

"Some rioters were lighting Molotov cocktails and throwing them inside the shops. Despite repeated requests to impose curfew in the city, the police kept saying till 4 pm that they didn't receive any order to stop the people from gathering.

Over 4,000 people had assembled at Ambala Road by 10 am. They were increasingly getting violent," cloth trader Harvinder Singh, whose shop was torched, claimed. Interestingly, the disputed plot was never a major issue for the two communities until recently. The Sikhs claimed the Muslims had claimed their rights over the plot after they bought it four years ago. Though the Muslims claimed that the plot was a Waqf property, they could not prove the same in a minority commission.

Later, they had withdrawn their claim over the plot and it was finally handed over to the Sikhs. Since then, it was a non-issue for the two communities. The construction work was started there a year ago without any opposition from the other side, the Sikh community claimed. But all of a sudden, some people objected to the construction by Sri Guru Singh Sabha and violence erupted on Saturday.

Locals also claimed that some motorcycle-borne masked men were indiscriminately firing at whosoever standing on their way, suggesting that they wanted to spread terror among the people for stopping construction at the plot.

"We saw two masked men on a motorcycle who were firing at the passers-by in Ghantaghar area," Sanjeev Bhandari, whose shop was set on fire at Ambala Road, said. Prior to the clashes on Saturday, Saharanpur had last witnessed communal violence in December 1992 when the Babri Masjid was demolished in Ayodhya.

read the rest here: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/saharanpur-clashes-pre-planned-eid-curfew-police-administration/1/374710.html

[chatanga]

Singho one thing that I felt in these topics was hate... let them do what they're good at.. let us do what our gurus taught us.. to spread love..

I hear what you're saying, but there are times when you have to let them know that our love is not endless. The audacity of the muslims to carry out that attack on the Sikhs in saharanpur is unbelievable. How many muslim jamaats from india and outside have condemned their actions? That is when we know whether there are any good people from amongst them.