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Coming from certain Punjabi background which I am sure most people are aware of I have found that the Punjabi dialect we speak is slightly different from other Sikh communities in the UK. It is not worse or better but just a bit different. ie I find that our Punjabi is more similar to Punjabi spoken by Muslim Punjabis.

However, I also find that Canadian/American Punjabi sounds more similar to what I speak then the UK Punjabis. What could be the reasons behind this?

Could this just be the geographic locations in the Punjab. As most of the people from the community I come from, originate from Amritsar Lahore. Ambala areas.

Could this also be the reason that Sikhs that come from the above areas tend to be more strict and conservative then Sikh from other areas. As these areas are more closer to where Sikhism originated.

Ya i also noticed this. i live in canada and some of my friends spoke a diff way then me n thts cos they were from jalandhar and my family is in moga district. i think punjabi spoken by majority here sounds similar to you cos alot of the pop in canada for punjabis is malwa region there r alot of doaba speakers too but i think malwai speakers have overtaken them in pop now lot of newer immigrant from punjab come from moga. also in canada there r alot of jatts and also huge rajput populations n also big pakistani punjabi/pahari speakers so that could be another reason why it sounds a little diff from doabi and more similar to your dialect n the only thing i no about american sikhs and punjabis is tht they r very americanized n speak english n not punjabi even at home.

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Mehtab Singh Ji wasn't saying anything about Jatts or promoting them. He literally only posted videos from a Punjabi movie he enjoyed when he was younger that so happens to be about 'Muslim Pakistani Jatts.'

This thread is about Punjabi. Punjabi is also spoken in Pakistan Punjab. Hence why this movie was brought up. It has nothing to do with jaat paat.

Haiinnn?!?!?! mai taan tuhanu kuch vi ni keha bhenji... :blink2: :wow: :huh2:

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These pictures are nothing to be proud of. They depict a mona who is shaven with blood on a axe.

I think you are forgetting this is a Sikh forum not a place to talk about some muslim tribes and posting pictures of people with axes and blood dripping from them.

Okay so your proud to be a Jat and your also proud of your muslim jatt brothers pakistan for also being jat.

Good for you star striker. It was jat people who were actually the first in india to embrace Islam. Everyone gives a lot of stick to south Indians for converting to Islam. But it was the jatt people who converted to Islam the most. The pakistani jatt probably dont care that your a jat also they probably just see you as another kaffir. why do you care about them so much. but each to their own.

Oh dear o dear, geezer, wat u spittin ur dummy out for? Right firstly, im not the 1 who started talking about panjabi muslims in the 1st place, that was u! Secondly it was u, who then referred to their ancestry etc. thirdly im NOT a jatt, so i have no bias towards them or have anything against them! Then u say pics of blood drippin axe of a mona is nutin 2 b proud of on a sikh forum, well should i put a video full of bhatra "sikhs" at wedding drinking more appropriate then? Or how about a bhangra singer who's also mona singin about a girl, like u did in ur bhatra thread 2 weeks back? Pure double standards.

You seem to think im some obsessed jatt, well as ive mentioned that im not even a jatt,so thats out of the question, but who r u to say to any1 on this forum that theyre proud of their "caste", when ur the 1, who only contributes to threads where the subject is about bhatras? Mate get real, ur the 1 who thinks bhatras r some special kind of human stock, when u say outrageous things like "Bhatra Punjabi is more clear direct and better prounicated then Muslim Punjabi".

AS I've mentioned in of 1 of ur 1 thousand bhatra threads before, ive got bhatra mates, and ur not doing them any favours with ur mindset on this forum. Infact below is a video of my mates wedding reception, with his younger brothers' bhangra group performing. Great dance on show.

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Haiinnn?!?!?! mai taan tuhanu kuch vi ni keha bhenji... :blink2: :wow: :huh2:

Nai veer ji mere toh galti ho gayi I read this thread through my phone and I did not notice the pictures posted by StarStriker Ji and I assumed JRoudh Ji was referring to the videos you posted.

Ignore my ignorant response sangat Ji :blink2:

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Ya i also noticed this. i live in canada and some of my friends spoke a diff way then me n thts cos they were from jalandhar and my family is in moga district. i think punjabi spoken by majority here sounds similar to you cos alot of the pop in canada for punjabis is malwa region there r alot of doaba speakers too but i think malwai speakers have overtaken them in pop now lot of newer immigrant from punjab come from moga. also in canada there r alot of jatts and also huge rajput populations n also big pakistani punjabi/pahari speakers so that could be another reason why it sounds a little diff from doabi and more similar to your dialect n the only thing i no about american sikhs and punjabis is tht they r very americanized n speak english n not punjabi even at home.

:biggrin2: Sorry to laugh ghettosikh, but how have you "noticed" you sound like a man you've never heard before ?

You're a malwai and he speaks in a Majhail dialect that is only heard in deepest Sialkot district of Pakistan. So how have you "also noticed" that you sound like him ? :stupidme:

The two of you are almost made for each other. One has so little knowledge of Punjabi that he doesn't know how rural malwai is just as if not more 'pendu' in style than doabi and the other doesn't realise the accent he thinks is similar to his is as different to his as different could possibly be.

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Ya i also noticed this. i live in canada and some of my friends spoke a diff way then me n thts cos they were from jalandhar and my family is in moga district. i think punjabi spoken by majority here sounds similar to you cos alot of the pop in canada for punjabis is malwa region there r alot of doaba speakers too but i think malwai speakers have overtaken them in pop now lot of newer immigrant from punjab come from moga. also in canada there r alot of jatts and also huge rajput populations n also big pakistani punjabi/pahari speakers so that could be another reason why it sounds a little diff from doabi and more similar to your dialect n the only thing i no about american sikhs and punjabis is tht they r very americanized n speak english n not punjabi even at home.

That was exactly what I was thinking. That is interesting, I guess most of the UK Punjabi Sikhs come from Jalandhar areas apart from the the Bhat community who majority come from Amritsar, Lahore ect .West Punjab. I myself am from Amritsar as do most of my relatives namely Amritsar and Lahore. I find the Malwai Punjabi to be more easy to listen to and its usually more better with pronunciation and easier to understand. Its also more direct and aggressive and easy on the ears. I heard that Brampton in canada is mostly Moga if I recall?

Cant wait to go back to the family home in Amritsar . Theres nothing like waking up to the sounds from the Golden temple in the morning the most beautiful region in the whole of Punjab hands down.

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Oh dear o dear, geezer, wat u spittin ur dummy out for? Right firstly, im not the 1 who started talking about panjabi muslims in the 1st place, that was u! Secondly it was u, who then referred to their ancestry etc. thirdly im NOT a jatt, so i have no bias towards them or have anything against them! Then u say pics of blood drippin axe of a mona is nutin 2 b proud of on a sikh forum, well should i put a video full of bhatra "sikhs" at wedding drinking more appropriate then? Or how about a bhangra singer who's also mona singin about a girl, like u did in ur bhatra thread 2 weeks back? Pure double standards.

You seem to think im some obsessed jatt, well as ive mentioned that im not even a jatt,so thats out of the question, but who r u to say to any1 on this forum that theyre proud of their "caste", when ur the 1, who only contributes to threads where the subject is about bhatras? Mate get real, ur the 1 who thinks bhatras r some special kind of human stock, when u say outrageous things like "Bhatra Punjabi is more clear direct and better prounicated then Muslim Punjabi".

AS I've mentioned in of 1 of ur 1 thousand bhatra threads before, ive got bhatra mates, and ur not doing them any favours with ur mindset on this forum. Infact below is a video of my mates wedding reception, with his younger brothers' bhangra group performing. Great dance on show.

There is a world of difference between me posting a innocent video of a Punjabi Sikh wedding just for cultural awareness then posting some guy with a overgrown moustash wielding an axe with blood splattered everywhere. lol

Anyway if this guy called meshi Jatt or whatever his name is.

is your hereo then good for you and I wish you all the look in watching these prehistoric movies

I have got a feeling this is going to be a never ending conversation with you startstriker. I have not got the time to be responding to you as you seem to be going round in circles not to mention butting into other peoples conversations.

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There is a world of difference between me posting a innocent video of a Punjabi Sikh wedding just for cultural awareness then posting some guy with a overgrown moustash wielding an axe with blood splattered everywhere. lol

Anyway if this guy called meshi Jatt or whatever his name is.

is your hereo then good for you and I wish you all the look in watching these prehistoric movies

I have got a feeling this is going to be a never ending conversation with you startstriker. I have not got the time to be responding to you as you seem to be going round in circles not to mention butting into other peoples conversations.

Going round in circles?.......Me? lost for words mate, i truely am. Also me butting into other ppls conversations?.....how is that even possible on an open forum? I dont remember u addressing any particular posters on here for answers to ur bhatra obsessed threads.

Ha those meshi/maula jatt movies my heroes? Hardly.

I posted those 2 movie posters to prove a point to u regardin wat u sed on pak panjabis n their caste/tribe mentality, its called a rebuttal, something which u havnt provided 2 me yet. U think its immoral to show those 2 movie posters, but u r happy 2 post bhatras drinkin n dancin....for "cultural awareness". Oh and blood splattering images disturb u i take it? Does that mean wen u go gurdwara n c pics of our shaheeds bein sawn in half n tortured, u avert ur eyes like a coward?

Yawn mate.

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:biggrin2: Sorry to laugh ghettosikh, but how have you "noticed" you sound like a man you've never heard before ?

You're a malwai and he speaks in a Majhail dialect that is only heard in deepest Sialkot district of Pakistan. So how have you "also noticed" that you sound like him ? :stupidme:

The two of you are almost made for each other. One has so little knowledge of Punjabi that he doesn't know how rural malwai is just as if not more 'pendu' in style than doabi and the other doesn't realise the accent he thinks is similar to his is as different to his as different could possibly be.

no im not saying i noticed that i sound like him but i notice that there are differences in the way some of my friends speak punjabi like calling noon (salt) loon, and the structure of words also some sayings. when i was little i wasnt even aware about the different dialects and different regions way of speaking i always thought the punjabi i spoke was the one evryone spoke. And im not trying to say malwai punjabi is less pendu or more formal then doabi becausse thats not the case doabi punjabi is known is a educated dialect i know this n alot of punjabi poetry written in doabi dialect. doabis r actually very business/education oriented ppl.

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That was exactly what I was thinking. That is interesting, I guess most of the UK Punjabi Sikhs come from Jalandhar areas apart from the the Bhat community who majority come from Amritsar, Lahore ect .West Punjab. I myself am from Amritsar as do most of my relatives namely Amritsar and Lahore. I find the Malwai Punjabi to be more easy to listen to and its usually more better with pronunciation and easier to understand. Its also more direct and aggressive and easy on the ears. I heard that Brampton in canada is mostly Moga if I recall?

Cant wait to go back to the family home in Amritsar . Theres nothing like waking up to the sounds from the Golden temple in the morning the most beautiful region in the whole of Punjab hands down.

The Punjabi that is spoken in Amritsar is the elite Punjabi and the purest. And Brampton does have alot of malwai speakers but the Greater Toronto Area is not the main place of Malwai speakers Alot moved in the late 90s early 2000s to other provinces due to better employment oppurtunities and now you will find malwai speakers everywhere here. Alot of shops and mechanics here r named after Moga. Another area with huge pop for malwai is actually Surrey Bc area which was traditionaly majority doabi im pretty sure malwai Punjabis have overtaken doabis in population due to high levels of immigration from that part of punjab. also it seems the pop of sikhs born in punjab is larger than then us who were born in canada. I only know a handful of ppl who r from amritsar though including my neighbour very humble and traditional ppl. However with all this being said I have to say that those sikhs from Doab region have made a great name for themselves alot are very wealthy and succesful!

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no im not saying i noticed that i sound like him

Unwittingly, unknowingly, that is what you were agreeing with because that was what he was asking if 'you had noticed'.

im pretty sure malwai Punjabis have overtaken doabis in population due to high levels of immigration from that part of punjab.

Much of my extended family and the whole of my wife's immediate family live in the Vancouver / Surrey area so it's a vicinity I know very well. True there's more than enough Malwais there but the doaba walleh are still easily the majority there. Easily. Malwais have well over 100 years of immigration to catch up on.

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Check out these 2 most kick @$$ sequences from Maula Jat! Love em!

Khalsa ji, just found out, thanks to my dad, that the classic film of maula jatt, was copied, n i mean COPIED by east panjabis in the early 90s, the memorable scene of noori natt in prison that u shared n that classic line "naama aiya sohniyaaaa", was absolutley BUTCHERED by yograj singh, in the movie 'lalkara jatti da'. Very disappointed man. I mean i kno that maula jatt has been remade, due to it being pure class, but this takes the biscuit! Check the scene out man, mad disappointed.

"naama aiya Sajnaa"???

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The Punjabi that is spoken in Amritsar is the elite Punjabi and the purest. And Brampton does have alot of malwai speakers but the Greater Toronto Area is not the main place of Malwai speakers Alot moved in the late 90s early 2000s to other provinces due to better employment oppurtunities and now you will find malwai speakers everywhere here. Alot of shops and mechanics here r named after Moga. Another area with huge pop for malwai is actually Surrey Bc area which was traditionaly majority doabi im pretty sure malwai Punjabis have overtaken doabis in population due to high levels of immigration from that part of punjab. also it seems the pop of sikhs born in punjab is larger than then us who were born in canada. I only know a handful of ppl who r from amritsar though including my neighbour very humble and traditional ppl. However with all this being said I have to say that those sikhs from Doab region have made a great name for themselves alot are very wealthy and succesful!

Yes that is true The Punjabi spoken in Ambarsar as it is know is very nice to listen to and it sounds completely different to other areas of Punjab. I have alot of relatives in Dehli in india and their Punjabi is no way as good as that from Ambarsar. It is not as fluent, pure or original. I guess it just like how around the UK There are different accents this is the same in Punjab.

As I speak in the Ambarsari tongue I get alot of compliments from people who say they really like my Punjabi. I guess its because I am from Ambarsar.

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Yes that is true The Punjabi spoken in Ambarsar as it is know is very nice to listen to and it sounds completely different to other areas of Punjab. I have alot of relatives in Dehli in india and their Punjabi is no way as good as that from Ambarsar. It is not as fluent, pure or original. I guess it just like how around the UK There are different accents this is the same in Punjab.

As I speak in the Ambarsari tongue I get alot of compliments from people who say they really like my Punjabi. I guess its because I am from Ambarsar.

Amritsar or Ambarsar??

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Amritsar or Ambarsar??

jkvlondon it is known as Amritsar officially but everyone that lives there, pronounces it as Ambarsar I am not sure why though.

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