How Would You Treat A Muslim Guy Who Was Interested In Becoming A Sikh?

[genie]

I recently saw a post on some fb Sikh group that was complaining about muslim guy signing up to Sikh society events after they learned he was a muslim through his name.

That made me ponder what if the guy genuinely wanted to learn about Sikhi and become a Sikh? How should you deal with muslim guys who are interested? We know they are ideologically brainwashed from birth to hate non-muslims and their beliefs so should we scare of potential new Sikhs guys from Islam and barring them by background checks?

Or should we welcome them into the fold but have extra vigilance placed on them so that we see their motives are genuinely spiritual and love for Sikhi not sinister or predatory on grooming women undercover.

[StarStriker]

That was regarding a muslim guy signing to attend a 'sikh awareness society' talk about grooming and how to be aware of all the dangers (spikin drinks etc). Yet he came in using a FAKE sikh name, yet wen the sevadars looked at his university pass card, he was infact a muslim. This isnt the 1st time this has happened at a 'sikh awareness society' talk at uni! If he wanted to learn about sikhi, y not go to katha? But nope he went a talk that had nothing to do with learning sikhi, it was about tryna inflitrate and learn all the tactics bhai mohan singh has been teaching the whole country. He was deffo NOT interested in learning about sikh dharam. Otherwise y use fake name?

Dont fall for the fuddu, sunny hundals stupidity wen he tries to imply this was sikhs bein paranoid n inhospitable. Well y not use ur real name then? Sunny is a self hating person, ashamed to be a sikh clearly.

[Balkaar]

I'm going to be candid here. I have a very hard time trusting Sunni Muslims. All my 'Muslim' friends drink beer and eat pork, and I'm glad they do, because it suggests that they don't their religion seriously at all (I'll admit to viewing Shias and Sufis in a much more benevolent light though).

Islam permits its adherents to lie and cheat in order to undermine unbelievers and kafirs. That sounds like the sort of thing some EDL Islamophobic windbag would say doesn't it, a nasty scrap of anti-Muslim propaganda? - it's also the truth. It's simply the case that if a Sunni Muslim attempts to introduce himself into a Sikh society at university, or attend a Gurdwara, the likelihood that his doing so proceeds from innocent motives is much smaller than the alternative, namely, that he's trying to cause chaos, or conducting a bit of recon against the opposition.

I remember reading somewhere that the Nihang Singhs of old, when confronted with a Muslim wishing to join the Khalsa, would demand that he eat pig's meat in front of them in order to prove his sincerity. Short of that, I don't see how we can weed out Muslim infiltrators.

[MisterrSingh]

-- nah, a bit out of line. Let myself down on that one.

[genie]

I'm going to be candid here. I have a very hard time trusting Sunni Muslims. All my 'Muslim' friends drink beer and eat pork, and I'm glad they do, because it suggests that they don't their religion seriously at all (I'll admit to viewing Shias and Sufis in a much more benevolent light though).

Islam permits its adherents to lie and cheat in order to undermine unbelievers and kafirs. That sounds like the sort of thing some EDL Islamophobic windbag would say doesn't it, a nasty scrap of anti-Muslim propaganda? - it's also the truth. It's simply the case that if a Sunni Muslim attempts to introduce himself into a Sikh society at university, or attend a Gurdwara, the likelihood that his doing so proceeds from innocent motives is much smaller than the alternative, namely, that he's trying to cause chaos, or conducting a bit of recon against the opposition.

Yeah I had mates like that at uni too they always got drunk, taking drugs, mocking how easy cheap and easy white/hindu/sikh girls are, yet always preaching Islam to their muslim sisters ironically and hypocritcally. And their muslim "sisters" would go around clubbing and sleeping around with kafir guys behind their backs pretending to be all religious when seeing a muslim guy. Islam is a complete joke its all over the place but muslims are encouraged to give dawah to each other and to non-believers to get brownie points from allah/muhammad.

I dont trust muslim guys either not even shia or sufi muslim guys never mind salafi or sunni because their ideological programmed to be against our belief system and our population. I think islam has to be defeated in them first before they can be welcomed into Sikhi. Until the islamic demon thats infesting them is not removed they cant break free from this mentality and be a potential Sikh.

In Guru Nanak Ji's and Guru Gobind Singh Ji's times many muslims converted to Sikhism through geuine spirtual reasons, during banda bahadhur singhs military reign muslims were forced to become Sikhs and the Sikh demographics and geo-political influence exploded paving the way for an empire.

[dallysingh101]

Paks been doing this for a LONG time. I think for two reasons:

Spying - (seeing what is going on in our community, are we onto their bull? How strong and united are we? Who are our leaders? What are we preaching?)

Sexual purposes - to find some gullible girl to use and abuse, or even to make Sikh male friends who will lead them to such girls.

I remember seeing this bloke and girl in a London Sikh society meeting in the late 90s and later that week I saw them giving Islamic literature out on the streets. So it's nothing new, we are just waking up to it now.

I don't think we should be welcoming to such people myself. Frankly I don't trust them.

You have to understand Islamic belief/prophecies to clock this: they believe there is going to be a mass genocide (in war) against Muslims just prior to the end of the world. All paks I grew up with (a lot of them!) would be talking about this from young, so they genuinely believe it. They have a number of signs they say indicate these times being near - I'm pretty sure with all the kussmaan going on in the Islamic world, many think those times are going to happen within their lifetimes or at least in the next generation or two.

Plus, whether they admit it or not, many Paks are humiliated by their historic defeat at the hands of the Khalsa/Sikhs who they see as mostly thicko, scruffy, unsophisticated pendus, who love dancing around and drinking (which makes it even more embarrassing) and whose girls are hoes.

I believe some of them are keeping an extra eye on us and using females as a route to weaken and demoralise the community so that we aren't strong enough to challenge them ever again. They have learned from history and are applying new strategies. Plus I think another factor may be that they are p1ssed off with sardars marrying Muslim girls during Maharajah Ranjit Singh's time which in an Islamic context is a humiliation.

These days if anyone wants to become a Sikh, they can use the internet and books. Under today's volatile circumstances I would expect some sullay to make false conversions for the above purposes. This is not anything new either, when you look at old literature sometimes you find Sikhs took extra steps to guard against infiltration (especially as having spies could be lethal in terms of being setup for an ambush). They did things like making them eat pork prior to initiation (not that I am suggesting this! I just making the point that people had to deal with this in the past too).

[sikhni777]

Make the guy listen to every word of the video on utube where the spirit of a muslim guy admits that Sikhism is the ultimate way to salvation.

Have to look for that video.

for an hour

If they are in a hurry the shorter version and also if they have concentration disorders esp. on matters relating to sikhism then this may work bettter

[Guest Jacfsing2]

There is only one way: (though only Nihangs would do this), tell him to eat some pork and if he does he's left Islam, if he doesn't don't trust him. (I'm sure this is the only way, that's how Christians test their Ex-Muslim converts).

[MisterrSingh]

There is one guaranteed way. But I won't be the first to mention it, lol...

[JagsawSingh]

How Would You Treat A Muslim Guy Who Was Interested In Becoming A Sikh?

Well, that depends on his age etc. I mean everyone loves a treat but different people like different things. If it was a younger muslim then, I'd probably treat him with a day out in the park with perhaps an ice cream at the end of it. For the older muslim though, I suppose I would treat him to dinner at a fancy restaurant. I'd keep the treat simple though, I mean I wouldn't treat him to a gold watch or anything.