Shastarvidiya Classes Not Taught By Nidar

[Balkaar]

How did the ancestors of punjabi muslims get converted to islam?

What about gorkhas from insdia an nepal or marathas or tamil tigers

Did I not say earlier that there were exceptions? The Tamil tigers may be Hindu, but they are a nationalist movement, not a religious one. They are animated by a fierce ethnic pride.

The Gurkhas were never renowned as particularly great soldiers until the advent of the British Raj and its Martial Race Theory. This theory was never simply about which people were the best fighters, but mainly concerned with the question of which groups could be expected to be most loyal to the British Crown and the least likely to rebel (the Sikhs, unfortunately, were considered among this number). In other words, the Gurkha legend was created by the British, the Englishman made the Gurkha, massaged their egos to the point that the Gurkhas felt indebted to them for it - they began to feel an intense loyalty towards the Brits. A loyalty which persists even to this very day. Gurkhas are still recruited into the British army. This was why they were so highly regarded, this and the fact that they were non-Indians who would have no qualms about turning their rifles against the people of Hindustan. The soldiers who fired upon the crowd at Jallianwala Bagh? Gurkhas.

I don't understand the need for the question about Punjabi Muslims. I addressed this in my first post.

[jkvlondon]

Hello, dont live in india. England acthally and have also attended these classes back jn the day before all the hype started. Our religion wouldnt be destroyed but your atma would have increased its joyt. Create stronger minded and loving beings rather then atick up for traditikns 24/7. Our religion is already almost destroyed as most gurdwara are a waste of time these days. Have a good day jac

for someone who lives in Uk your spelling is really bad ...Guru ji has given bachan for every Khalsa Shaheedi two more khalsa will sprung up , so Sikhi will never die . However if people leaves Guru ji's sharan and start acting as if they know better then, their and their kul's downfall is guaranteed . Stay in CHardi Kala and do sikhi every moment as Sikhi is a path of action, not a intellectualised pasttime that includes becoming someone to rely on in hard times , a leader, a warrior and a saint.

[simran345]

for someone who lives in Uk your spelling is really bad .

Lol, spellchecker not working again.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Lol, spellchecker not working again.

Nobody from an English-speaking country should be that bad, (even the rural folk), I seriously believed he was from India.

[dallysingh101]

Nobody from an English-speaking country should be that bad, (even the rural folk), I seriously believed he was from India.

I worked in the urban English education system for a while.

There are actually people MUCH worse than this....

This guy may be SEN (special educational needs). He doesn't seem dyslexic though.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Did I not say earlier that there were exceptions? The Tamil tigers may be Hindu, but they are a nationalist movement, not a religious one. They are animated by a fierce ethnic pride.

The Gurkhas were never renowned as particularly great soldiers until the advent of the British Raj and its Martial Race Theory. This theory was never simply about which people were the best fighters, but mainly concerned with the question of which groups could be expected to be most loyal to the British Crown and the least likely to rebel (the Sikhs, unfortunately, were considered among this number). In other words, the Gurkha legend was created by the British, the Englishman made the Gurkha, massaged their egos to the point that the Gurkhas felt indebted to them for it - they began to feel an intense loyalty towards the Brits. A loyalty which persists even to this very day. Gurkhas are still recruited into the British army. This was why they were so highly regarded, this and the fact that they were non-Indians who would have no qualms about turning their rifles against the people of Hindustan. The soldiers who fired upon the crowd at Jallianwala Bagh? Gurkhas.

I don't understand the need for the question about Punjabi Muslims. I addressed this in my first post.

The Sikhs were rebels against the British, Udham Singh even went to England just to kill the guy who was responsible for jallianwala bagh. Also the entire Singh Sabha movement was to free our Gurdwaras from the British massands. That's despite being called a "Martial Race".

[lsingh]

Is Niddar still the leader of this group? By committing adultery he has breached all Sikh religious rulings so should be expelled , unless his friends think it is Ok.

[Jonny101]

Did I not say earlier that there were exceptions? The Tamil tigers may be Hindu, but they are a nationalist movement, not a religious one. They are animated by a fierce ethnic pride.

The Gurkhas were never renowned as particularly great soldiers until the advent of the British Raj and its Martial Race Theory. This theory was never simply about which people were the best fighters, but mainly concerned with the question of which groups could be expected to be most loyal to the British Crown and the least likely to rebel (the Sikhs, unfortunately, were considered among this number). In other words, the Gurkha legend was created by the British, the Englishman made the Gurkha, massaged their egos to the point that the Gurkhas felt indebted to them for it - they began to feel an intense loyalty towards the Brits. A loyalty which persists even to this very day. Gurkhas are still recruited into the British army. This was why they were so highly regarded, this and the fact that they were non-Indians who would have no qualms about turning their rifles against the people of Hindustan. The soldiers who fired upon the crowd at Jallianwala Bagh? Gurkhas.

I don't understand the need for the question about Punjabi Muslims. I addressed this in my first post.

The advent of the Gurkhas and their reputation as brave soldiers happened before the British began recruiting them. Early 1800s they began to dominate the lower Himalayan region and ruled over a large territory. In their western border they began to conquer Himachal region because of which they came into contact with the growing Sikh empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. The Sikhs and Gurkhas fought a war over the Kangra fort and the Sikhs beat them. Even though the Gurkhas lost but Maharaja Ranjit Singh was so impressed with these mountain men that he created a Gurkha regiment into his own army before the British had created theirs.

[dallysingh101]

The Sikhs were rebels against the British, Udham Singh even went to England just to kill the guy who was responsible for jallianwala bagh. Also the entire Singh Sabha movement was to free our Gurdwaras from the British massands. That's despite being called a "Martial Race".

That's wrong. Plenty of Sikhs were loyal chumchay to the core. Fighting their fights for them and giving their loyalty to their king/queen. These weren't any sort of 'rebels' to British occupation.

Even the Gaddar party got grassed up by an apna (look up Lahore conspiracy case)

People who get ego-boasted from the whole Martial Race Theory bull5hit conveniently overlook the part of it that describes the best soldiers as docile, in that they don't question the orders from superiors like lemmings. That's probably why Pathaans weren't placed at the top of this man made, propagandist framework that was designed to manipulate simple people into giving loyalty by appealing to egos.

[Jonny101]

That's wrong. Plenty of Sikhs were loyal chumchay to the core. Fighting their fights for them and giving their loyalty to their king/queen. These weren't any sort of 'rebels' to British occupation.

Even the Gaddar party got grassed up by an apna (look up Lahore conspiracy case)

People who get ego-boasted from the whole Martial Race Theory bull5hit conveniently overlook the part of it that describes the best soldiers as docile, in that they don't question the orders from superiors like lemmings. That's probably why Pathaans weren't placed at the top of this man made, propagandist framework that was designed to manipulate simple people into giving loyalty by appealing to egos.

Most Sikh freedom fighters whether they were from Gadhar movement, Akali movement, Babbar Akali movement, Sikh communists, Azad Hind Fauj etc were all soldiers or Sikhs who were former soldiers. Even the Sikhs who had fought against the purbia mutineers in 1857 were the same Sikh army soldiers who had fought against the British during the Anglo Sikh wars. This army also included the son of Hari Singh Nalwa.

It would be wrong to say Sikh soldiers are "chumche". That would be simplifying this complex issue. I would term them as mercenaries paid to fight. They had no loyalty to the British king or queen. These same soldiers would then make the vast majority of the Sikh freedom fighters who were hanged or jailed in Kala Paani.

For example, my own grandfather was a world war veteran. But he also later on became a freedom fighter and was jailed and tortured by the British. Now even though my grand father was tortured and jailed yet his younger brother still joined the army. He fought in world war but later ended up mutinying and joining the Azad Hind Fauj like thousands of Sikh soldiers. The reason for this is the Sikh soldiers were not loyal to any British king. He was simply a mercenary who was paid to do what soldiers do. And if given a viable chance to fight for freedom he would take it.

The Gadhar movement is a perfect example of this. Had it succeeded during the Lahore conspiracy case, all the Sikh soldiers would have mutineed but one guy betrayed the movement and it never happened.