Sikhi in Malwa

[puzzled]

for those who dnt know Doaba is called Doaba because its the land  between 2 rivers   do=2  aab=river         Doaba comes between the Beas River and Sutlej river.  Parts of Himach pardesh like Una are also part of Doaba, the areas of Doaba bordering Himachal have loads of massive rocky hills. once your drive past Gahrshankar the hills/mountains start.    being from Nawanshar  you just cross the sutlej and your in Malwa,  una is around an 1hr 15 mins drive from us   iv been Una loads of times  really nice mountainous area   massive mountains   really steep   roads are on the edges of the mountains and there are no railings lol! 

[Premi5]

Malwa is the largest region of Punjab, but was it short-changed with regards to any border towns in Haryana and Rajasthan that are more 'Punjabi'?

[dallysingh101]

On 4/5/2020 at 12:03 PM, Premi5 said:

Malwa is the largest region of Punjab, but was it short-changed with regards to any border towns in Haryana and Rajasthan that are more 'Punjabi'?

Good question. No idea. 

[proactive]

On 4/5/2020 at 12:03 PM, Premi5 said:

Malwa is the largest region of Punjab, but was it short-changed with regards to any border towns in Haryana and Rajasthan that are more 'Punjabi'?

Apart from Punjabi speaking areas that Punjab (doaba) lost to Himachal Pradesh, Punjab (malwa) lost a lot of historic as well as new Punjabi speaking areas to Haryana and Rajasthan. Historically the northern areas of Sirsa district was Punjab speaking areas which had been annexed by Patiala in the 1780s. Just a the Misls from Majha were taking over areas of Gujranwala and Sialkot, the Patiala state was taking over areas in southern Punjab. In Sirsa the Patiala Sikhs were in a constant struggle with the Bhatti Muslims. Some areas of Patiala state which we hilly areas like Morni were given to Himachal Pradesh in 1966 reorganisation of Punjab. The Malwai Sikhs did not have any Misls apart from the Phulkian states but these had historically been kingdoms before the kingdom of Maharaja Ranjit was established. The Majhail Sikhs had through the Misls conquered parts of Malwa and Haryana. The Phulkian states survived in the 20th century while the Majhail states in Malwa apart from Kalsia such as Kaithal, Ferozepur and Rupar were over annexed by the British. The territories of he Sikh states although they included heavily Hindi speaking areas which were given to them by the British in 1857, other areas which had mixed Punjabi and Hindi speaking areas such as Kaithal, Tohana, Jind were technically a part of Malwa until an old and ill defined historic area called Haryana was resurrected in 1966 and these area given to Haryana. Other areas such as Ganganagar district which was a part of Bikaner state had been settled by Sikhs in the 1920s when the Gang canal was built. This area although never a part of Malwa can still be considered an extension of Malwa as many of the farmers here were from Malwa. 

[MisterrSingh]

I've come across a feint Doabiyeh Vs Malwai mentality, although I have to say it's quite one-sided as it seems to come almost exclusively from the Doaba camp, lmao. 

[Premi5]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I've come across a feint Doabiyeh Vs Malwai mentality, although I have to say it's quite one-sided as it seems to come almost exclusively from the Doaba camp, lmao. 

Can you elaborate?

like I have said earlier , my parents kind of look down at Doabias.

i am not from their generation but my general view is that Doabias men are more ‘macho’ (a good thing) than Malwai and Doabia seem to be more into family (relatives)

Outside of India Doabias much outnumber Malwai so its natural you would hear more from Doabia side 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Can you elaborate?

like I have said earlier , my parents kind of look down at Doabias.

i am not from their generation but my general view is that Doabias men are more ‘macho’ (a good thing) than Malwai and Doabia seem to be more into family (relatives)

Outside of India Doabias much outnumber Malwai so its natural you would hear more from Doabia side 

In my experience, it's nothing sinister, just a little bit of good-natured ribbing. Although, I've never heard of or experienced males mention the Doaba v Malwa issue; it's mostly women teasing each other about their temperaments and habits. I honestly can't say whether my experiences are reflected across the board. It might be different with other people, I can't comment on that front.

Malwai women are apparently rather feisty and outspoken, whereas Doabans, supposedly, are a little more guarded yet no less lethal, lol. Just what I've seen and heard. 

[Ranjeet01]

15 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

In my experience, it's nothing sinister, just a little bit of good-natured ribbing. Although, I've never heard of or experienced males mention the Doaba v Malwa issue; it's mostly women teasing each other about their temperaments and habits. I honestly can't say whether my experiences are reflected across the board. It might be different with other people, I can't comment on that front.

Malwai women are apparently rather feisty and outspoken, whereas Doabans, supposedly, are a little more guarded yet no less lethal, lol. Just what I've seen and heard. 

Preeto in Jalandhar is just as feisty as Jeeto in Moga. 

[MisterrSingh]

11 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Preeto in Jalandhar is just as feisty as Jeeto in Moga. 

Doabans seem to think Malwens are loudmouths and quite coarse, haha. I don't know why we love to subdivide ourselves into continually smaller niche groups. Some don't take it seriously, but others are deadly serious.

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Can you elaborate?

like I have said earlier , my parents kind of look down at Doabias.

i am not from their generation but my general view is that Doabias men are more ‘macho’ (a good thing) than Malwai and Doabia seem to be more into family (relatives)

 

If by 'macho' you mean loud and brash, okay. But if you mean actually being seriously up for dangerous situations and brave like that, there are guys I've known who've grown up here and are infinitely more capable and ready to do serious shyte than most people from back home. You know what the culture is like with shasters in urban parts of the UK. 

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Outside of India Doabias much outnumber Malwai so its natural you would hear more from Doabia side

Like I said previously, it might be a regional cultural thing: that's  why your parents family wouldn't behave like that. Factor in that some people would consider certain traits as boorish, cringeworthy and oafish (rightly or wrongly). The higher the rate of education the more likely they would think like that I would imagine? That's not to excuse effete behaviour by males in our quom. But I feel that it is easy to mistake being loud and brash as somehow being more masculine. This ridiculous notion played a big part in the proliferation of grooming. Certain idiots in the panth were behaving just you describe for years with other apnay, but didn't have the brains or balls to comprehend, let alone try and deal with the issue. It's only when shyte gets deep that you see whose what. Those people who were doing this too us, did it quietly, and let the idiots do their brash big man macho act, and quietly laughed to themselves.  

That's another reason why I don't think such behaviour is particularly attractive.