Sikhi in Malwa

[5aaban]

Just now, Premi5 said:

Nice, there's several on here who are Malwai, including me. 

Great to find a fellow ਮਲਵਈ. Where are you from?

[Premi5]

Just now, 5aaban said:

Great to find a fellow ਮਲਵਈ. Where are you from?

Nanka and Dadka pinds both within Ludhiana zila. Most of my close and extended blood relatives are also. Have some family from near Fatehgarh Sahib also

[5aaban]

3 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Nanka and Dadka pinds both within Ludhiana zila. Most of my close and extended blood relatives are also. Have some family from near Fatehgarh Sahib also

I heard Fatehgarh Sahib also falls into Puadh region. 

[Premi5]

On 1/4/2022 at 10:33 AM, 5aaban said:

I heard Fatehgarh Sahib also falls into Puadh region. 

Wikipedia

Puadh generally lies between the Sutlej and Ghaggar-Hakra rivers and south, south-east and east of Rupnagar district adjacent to Ambala district (in Haryana).^[2]

Punjab[edit]

In Punjab:

• Sahibzada Ajit Singh Nagar District: Kurali, Mohali, Kharar;^[3]
• Rupnagar district; Ropar; and Chamkaur Sahib;Morinda
• Fategarh Sahib district: Amloh, [m^[4] and Sirhind;^[5]
• Ludhiana district: Pail^[6] Doraha, ^{[note 1]} and Samrala;
• Patiala district: Rajpura and western part of Patiala district^[8] including Patiala city.^[9]
• Sangrur district: Malerkotla and other eastern parts of sangrur.^[10]

[proactive]

Just now, Premi5 said:

Wikipedia

Puadh generally lies between the Sutlej and Ghaggar-Hakra rivers and south, south-east and east of Rupnagar district adjacent to Ambala district (in Haryana).^[2]

Punjab[edit]

In Punjab:

• Sahibzada Ajit Singh Nagar District: Kurali, Mohali, Kharar;^[3]
• Rupnagar district; Ropar; and Chamkaur Sahib;Morinda
• Fategarh Sahib district: Amloh, [m^[4] and Sirhind;^[5]
• Ludhiana district: Pail^[6] Doraha, ^{[note 1]} and Samrala;
• Patiala district: Rajpura and western part of Patiala district^[8] including Patiala city.^[9]
• Sangrur district: Malerkotla and other eastern parts of sangrur.^[10]

I think Puadh is a British era concept, Punjab south of the Satluj was always Malwa down to where it borders Bangar Desh to the south (Hissar-Hansi-Jind) and Bhattiana (Sirsa -Hanumangarh in Rajasthan) to the south west. Malwa's borders were less defined towards Ambala - Kaithal. 

[5aaban]

On 1/7/2022 at 3:31 AM, proactive said:

I think Puadh is a British era concept, Punjab south of the Satluj was always Malwa down to where it borders Bangar Desh to the south (Hissar-Hansi-Jind) and Bhattiana (Sirsa -Hanumangarh in Rajasthan) to the south west. Malwa's borders were less defined towards Ambala - Kaithal. 

No, Puadh region isn’t just a British concept. Puadhi dialect is different from other dialects.  There are also cultural differences between people of Malwa and people of Puadh. 

Puadhi dialect

Cultural differences

https://youtu.be/3vUuCm3kL0E

Language, culture and people

Bhupinder Matauria, a retired government officer, writer and lyricist, who has written a book titled ‘Puadh ke Gharatan ka Atta’, said: “Our language and culture is different from Malwa

“To protect our distinct identity, we have started the ‘International Puadhi Manch’ to promote Puadhi culture. We raised Puadh region issues from various stages, that it should be given due respect like the three other regions of the state in government records and even on the Punjab map formally, but these politicians are responsible for not promoting Puadh. Now we are hopeful as the new CM is from Puadh,” he said.

“Puadh has been a very green area since the beginning and there were a lot of mango orchards here. People used to grow wheat and sugarcane here and a lot of trade used to take place between Malwa and Puadh.”

“Our language is Punjabi but there are several Hindi words used in it which makes Puadhi language (Punjabi) different from the Punjabi language of the three regions of the state. While we are considered as part of Malwa, we prefer to wear ‘kurta and pajama’ while in Malwa’s rural belt, mostly chadara (sheet-type cloth) is wrapped and their style of wearing ‘turla style’ turban (in old Punjab) was very different from the turban style in Puadh,” said Jasbir Singh Shantpuri, a resident of Shatpuri village in Puadh area of Ropar.

People of the Puadh area have their own rituals which are different from Malwa. Because of the lack of proper representation from here, this area could not be popularised like the other three regions, said Dr Virk.

[proactive]

Regions in Punjab were always delineated as the area between the rivers on either side. This is because people could travel and interact easily within this area and this create a common culture and language/dialect as travel across the rivers was difficult and not . There were smaller subregions which were a part of a main region such as the Jangal Des which was a part of Malwa region but crossed over into Rajasthan as well. 

[SikhKosh]

4 minutes ago, proactive said:

Regions in Punjab were always delineated as the area between the rivers on either side. This is because people could travel and interact easily within this area and this create a common culture and language/dialect as travel across the rivers was difficult and not . There were smaller subregions which were a part of a main region such as the Jangal Des which was a part of Malwa region but crossed over into Rajasthan as well. 

Any sources to back this up? Jangal Desh seems to be a mostly Bagri speaking area.

[proactive]

35 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

Any sources to back this up? Jangal Desh seems to be a mostly Bagri speaking area.

Before the areas like Jagraon, Moga, down to Muktsar became rich farmland a large part of these area were desolate and covered with many sand dunes. It was referred to a Jangal Des. Only in the 1920s and after partition were many of these sand dunes removed and the land started to be extensively cultivated. Even in the 1970s I remember that sand dunes were removed from close to my village. When the area become rich farmland it lost the title of Jangal Des. 

[SikhKosh]

Don't you refer to the areas of Ganganagar, Hanumangarh and so on as Jangal Desh, the way they've been historically referred to ? Is yours another Jangal Des or part of the Ganganagar one ?