Nishan Sahib, when did we start using the Khanda

[Redoptics]

I'm going to get the blue one printed on some remals, hand them to the local Gudwara and see the reaction.

[dallysingh101]

On 7/26/2019 at 9:57 AM, BhForce said:

Did they? They basically stole nuclear plans and such. They have uranium in their territory, which used to be our territory.

I'm not aware that any power gave them anything.

In an alternative history in which we had not lost our Raaj, the existence of a rural farmer would have mattered no more than the rural farmer or tribesman matters to the fact that Pakistan has near nuclear parity with India.

No, I think that would be Pakistanis, with their huge % of birth defects in the UK, much more than their percentage of the population.

Some good points there.

I wonder if the claims that certain areas of Panjab having a higher rate of radiation occurring in the environment is linked to dumping radioactive waste? hmmmmm

[AkalkiFauj]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 2:23 PM, dallysingh101 said:

What's interesting is that there was a short period when it wasn't exactly fixed like this, and if you seek, you can find variants e.g.  from 1914:

You are right, this one looks exactly like a coat of arms, notice how it still retains the dhaal symbol on the flags. Interesting. 

Very Intresting

[BhForce]

On 7/26/2019 at 3:14 AM, Redoptics said:

I'm going to get the blue one printed on some remals, hand them to the local Gudwara and see the reaction.

Please don't do this. Are you 15?

I don't mean that as an insult, but if you're actually mature, why not act like it?

You must certainly know that the vast majority of Gurdwara presidents are there just because, not because they have any special deep knowledge of Sikh history.

If you do, it is much better to talk with people one-on-one and let them know about Sikh history than to suddenly demand changes. 

That's an excellent way to split the sangat. 

Is that what you want?

[Redoptics]

2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Please don't do this. Are you 15?

I don't mean that as an insult, but if you're actually mature, why not act like it?

You must certainly know that the vast majority of Gurdwara presidents are there just because, not because they have any special deep knowledge of Sikh history.

If you do, it is much better to talk with people one-on-one and let them know about Sikh history than to suddenly demand changes. 

That's an excellent way to split the sangat. 

Is that what you want?

Obviously I'd talk to someone and not just show up with them.

[MrDoaba]

On 6/24/2019 at 8:08 PM, dallysingh101 said:

See I disagree there. When we start looking at the writings of Guru ji as in the Dasam Granth and Zafarnama, we see symbolism and subtle allusion used heavily therein. I mean one of the most blatant examples is the use of the Chandi narrative. Look at the whole Khalsa culture - it is ram packed with symbolism too (as well as heavily practical aspects!) 

It seems out of character for Guru ji not to give deep thought to these things from what I can gather????

I think you're onto something here. I've often wondered about this myself and came to the conclusion that the main talwar/kirpan at the top represents Chandi or Bhagauti i.e. ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ - and - pretty much the rest of the Chandi/Adi Shakti narrative as you've stated. The same thing is depicted on the Nishaan Sahib of the Sikh Empire just with a different motif.

The dhal and kataar both being defensive instruments, are symbolic of Sikhi's stance on yudh; that's it's essentially for protection and/or defence of Dharam. However it's also worth mentioning that even revenge attacks and the like in Sikhi tend to fall under this precept. Again similarly, on the battle standard of the empire, this is depicted by Hanuman and Kartikeya who both repesent ideals and virtues with regards to Dharam Yudh.

Overall I believe the Nishaan Sahib probably also symbolises ਯਹੈ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਪੀਰ - stating the obvious here though.

If you compare this with the flag of Saudi Arabia for example, the sword represents "the strictness of the nation in applying justice" - we know that the idea/concept of this differs vastly in Islam because of what it encompasses; the ideals, virtues, and rules of engagement are almost the antithesis of Dharam. We hardly need to go into detail on this lol.

Gurbar Akaal!

[Redoptics]

On 8/9/2019 at 9:50 AM, BhForce said:

 

[intrigued]

Really interesting stuff!

Here's some more info on the Nishan Sahib throughout history - http://dailysikhupdates.com/historical-evidence-of-the-puratan-symbol-on-nishan-sahib-pictures/

Dr Sukhpreet Singh Udhoke talks about what colour the Nishan Sahib historically was and how over time it has changed.

 

In the time of the 3rd Guru, Guru Amar Das Ji, the Nishan Sahib was the colour white. This was to represent peace & purity (shantee).

 

Then in Guru Hargobind Ji’s time the Nishan Sahib was changed to a shade of yellow called Basanti.

 

In Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s time the Nishan Sahib was of the colour navy blue.

 

At the time of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur and Khalsa Raj the Nishan Sahib placed was blue.

 

However, the Dogray asked Maharaja Ranjit Singh to add the photo of their mata to the Nishan Sahib and change the colour to orange. He changed the colour, however, he did not add the picture of their mata.

 

But Akali Phoola Singh said he would keep the blue Nishan Sahib. Therfore, the Nihang Singh’s have kept a navy blue Nishan Sahib as it was the colour instilled by Guru Gobind Singh.

 

The Dal and Kattar have historically been the main symbol on the Nishan Sahibs but it was replaced with the Khanda during Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s Sarkar E Khalsa flag.

[Redoptics]

On 6/24/2019 at 8:08 PM, dallysingh101 said:

See I disagree there. When we start looking at the writings of Guru ji as in the Dasam Granth and Zafarnama, we see symbolism and subtle allusion used heavily therein. I mean one of the most blatant examples is the use of the Chandi narrative. Look at the whole Khalsa culture - it is ram packed with symbolism too (as well as heavily practical aspects!) 

It seems out of character for Guru ji not to give deep thought to these things from what I can gather???? 

 

In regards to the moon, Guru Nanak Ji has been described as the moon and is used in Guru Granth Sahib Ji a lot, it represents bringing light into the darkness, spiritually.

[dallysingh101]