Singhs taking opium in Gur sobha granth

[Arsh1469]

Here is the link. Source for the above

[chatanga1]

16 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

I am joining in to say that Sant Gurbachan Singh and like all of Taksal don't believe the Guru took opium. I am not sure about there take on other drugs. I will come back with more information.

I don't think that any Sikh believes that any of the Gurus took opium.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji sat on a red-hot plate and said "tera bhana meetha lage." But Guru Sahiban were above pain/pleasure whereas only rare Sikhs are. Most Sikhs (inc me) are not. So whether the Guru's did or not, is not for us.

 

15 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Ok ao it seems Sant Jarnail Singh believes the Guru took Shaedai (Shaheedi degh) though Sant Gurbachan didn't. Though he believes that the Guru did not take afeem. I personally agree with Sant Jarnail Singh and Sant Gurbachan Singh as my Sikh view is very sampardamic. I agree alot with Nirmala and their sub divisions like Taksal.

The Taksal is not a sub division of Nirmal Panth, neither is it a samprdai. It is a taksal, which is different.

 

11 hours ago, KingTarunjot said:

whats the point of parcharaks, lazy people can't be bothered to learn about sikhi themselves.... What's the point of gurdwara's? Lazy people can't even read, understand, do kirtan of gurbani by themselves.... sangat sounds like its for lazy people, just talk to yourself.

Good point. If parchaar  were to end and the onus would be on people to learn gurmat for themselves, our 20 odd million Sikhs worldwide wouldn't even be 1 million in one generations time. Parchaar has been done from the times of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's childhood right uptil now.

It's because of ineffective parchar that we are in the mess we are in right now.

[jassa]

If your great grandfathers is from Punjab they used opium. Each and every household in Punjab till early 1900s had opium in their kitchen. Dont believe me just call the oldest person alive in your family and ask.

[GurjantGnostic]

4 hours ago, jassa said:

If your great grandfathers is from Punjab they used opium. Each and every household in Punjab till early 1900s had opium in their kitchen. Dont believe me just call the oldest person alive in your family and ask.

If you've ever been prescribed pain meds or cogh syrup in half the world you've had it too basically. Best avoided if possible. 

[jassa]

I am not promoting it I am just emphasizing on a fact which all most all sikh youth fail to understand is what we may find today as inappropriate might be the common practice during Guru Jis time. 
 

[shastarSingh]

5 hours ago, jassa said:

Dont believe me just call the oldest person alive in your family and ask.

jassa veer is right.

My ancestors were jatt farmers and had opium and lived long healthy lives.

Their body and teeth were extremely strong even in their 90's.

[dallysingh101]

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[dallysingh101]

On 3/20/2021 at 4:53 PM, chatanga1 said:

Bit harsh isn't it Dal lol?

I listen to katha a lot. I make it a routine to listen to one sakhi from Panth Parkash every time I workout, or doing some gardening etc. But I like to read the granths myself at other times. There are sometimes passages that need a little more explanation than the straight textual translation and katha is where it helps.

You do both Chatanga. That's different. Solely relying on your ithihaasik information from one source, and persistently avoiding the act of reading, is as dangerous as it is lazy.

Then we have the whole issue of people starting to practically worship the parcharaks - which doesn't always end well. This not only makes fudhus of the people doing the doe-eyed exalting, but then also usually has a knock on effect of sending the egos of the parcharaks into outer space.     

If I was harsh, it was frustration at people who appear to be avoiding reading at all costs. 

[dallysingh101]

Anyway, I've always wondered about the use of bhang in war. Cannabis is usually associated with feelings of peace and relaxation - hardly what you'd want if on the frontline of violent battle. 

I recently come across this extract from the memoir of someone (Joseph Thackwell) who fought in the second Sikh-anglo jungh. It's one of the first references I've come across which explicitly records an example of the use of cannabis in war by a Sikh:

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

17 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Anyway, I've always wondered about the use of bhang in war. Cannabis is usually associated with feelings of peace and relaxation - hardly what you'd want if on the frontline of violent battle. 

I recently come across this extract from the memoir of someone (Joseph Thackwell) who fought in the second Sikh-anglo jungh. It's one of the first references I've come across which explicitly records an example of the use of cannabis in war by a Sikh:

 

 

The Zulu would seperate the Sukha into two forms. They'd soak the Sukha in water extracting the cbds basically the water solubles, and they'd be left with water cured Sukha that was higher in thc and could be turned to Hash. The water soaked Sukha and Hash were consumed to run 50 miles and more to fight. If wounded they would use the cbd water for pain and slow bleeding or die in Sukha ..I mean Sukh..