Can Sikhi be separated from the land of Punjab?

[intrigued]

14 hours ago, singhsince1981 said:

Sikhism is Real Hinduism philosophy of Sat Jug. All Rishs Munis had unshorn hair and jura. 33 crore devtas all kept hair. All Sants were shasterdhari in previous yugas.

Thats like saying Sikhi is the real version of Christianity: Jesus kept hair and wore a turban.

Sikhi may have similarities with other paths but it is its own dharam:

http://sttm.co/s/555563/142115

ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੈਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿੱਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ ॥
dhuhoo(n) pa(n)th mai(n) kapaT vi'dhayaa chalaanee ||
Both religions (Hindu and Islam) are getting contaminated.

ਬਹੁੜ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪਰਧਾਨੀ ॥
bahuR teesaraa pa(n)th keejai paradhaanee ||
Come and elevate a third religion (panth).

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ਸਭਨ ਕਉ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਹਿ ਵਾਹਿ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਊਂ ॥
sabhan kau sabadh vaeh vaeh dhiraRaauoo(n) ||
To all, Wahe Wahe (Waheguru) shall be the word to meditate on.

ਕਰਹੁ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਤੀਸਰ ਪ੍ਰਵੇਸਾ ॥
karahu khaalasaa pa(n)th teesar pravesaa ||
Designate the third religion (panth) (different to the Hindu and Islam).

[Guest]

1 hour ago, intrigued said:

Thats like saying Sikhi is the real version of Christianity: Jesus kept hair and wore a turban.

Sikhi may have similarities with other paths but it is its own dharam:

http://sttm.co/s/555563/142115

ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੈਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿੱਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ ॥
dhuhoo(n) pa(n)th mai(n) kapaT vi'dhayaa chalaanee ||
Both religions (Hindu and Islam) are getting contaminated.

ਬਹੁੜ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪਰਧਾਨੀ ॥
bahuR teesaraa pa(n)th keejai paradhaanee ||
Come and elevate a third religion (panth).

http://sttm.co/s/555565/142167

ਸਭਨ ਕਉ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਹਿ ਵਾਹਿ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਊਂ ॥
sabhan kau sabadh vaeh vaeh dhiraRaauoo(n) ||
To all, Wahe Wahe (Waheguru) shall be the word to meditate on.

ਕਰਹੁ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਤੀਸਰ ਪ੍ਰਵੇਸਾ ॥
karahu khaalasaa pa(n)th teesar pravesaa ||
Designate the third religion (panth) (different to the Hindu and Islam).

Agreed. Hinduism is contaminated, idol worships, some believe vishnu, some pray to shiva, some do some  hanky panky. Infact I do not consider modern Hinduism to be Hinduism and modern islam to be even close to Islam. 

Sikhism is the REAL dharam --- coming down from Sat Jug. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Khalistan Zindabad. 

Stop please ! 

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, singhsince1981 said:

Stop please ! 

Um...no thank you. Khalistan Zindabad.

Raj Karega Khalsa.

Sovereignity is bestowed upon the Khalsa panth by Akal Purakh Vaheguru Ji. 

Self determintaion is recognized by the united nations. 

 

[intrigued]

To respond to the original topic - In theory, yes Sikhi can be separated from Punjab, however many times we feel a connection due to our history. When we look at the significance of Punjab for us today, there is none except for "pilgrimages" 

Guru Sahib says the following about pilgrimages and spiritual growth:

http://sttm.co/s/21/182

ਤੀਰਥੁ ਤਪੁ ਦਇਆ ਦਤੁ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
teerath tap dhiaa dhat dhaan ||
Pilgrimages, austere discipline, compassion and charity

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਤਿਲ ਕਾ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
je ko paavai til kaa maan ||
these, by themselves, bring only an iota of merit.

http://sttm.co/s/165/2461

ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਤਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੇ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਗੁਮਾਨੁ ॥
teerath naataa kiaa kare man meh mail gumaan ||
But what is the use of bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, when the filth of stubborn pride is within the mind?

However, I would also want to have a connection to our culture and tradition of past and it is obviously plays an important role in our history as a panth.

I'm not quite sure of my position on this...

[MisterrSingh]

7 hours ago, intrigued said:

I'm not quite sure of my position on this...

It's difficult to gain a firm grasp on how to view this issue. Gurbani and Gurmat in general  to a standpoint which runs contrary to any form of attachment to temporal vestments, i.e. attachment to and accumulation of land, kingdoms, etc., emphasising the transistory nature of the physical, and how none of that comes with us after death. Yet, Sikh history has indisputable moments where our spiritual and martial leaders NEEDED to descend from up high, as it were, and partake in the more-often-than-not base aspects of civilisation-building and protection.

Yeah, I know, "Saint-Soldier" but how is this philosophy applicable on a practical day-to-day basis in times of absolute crisis when we're under attack from all sides?

[jkvlondon]

23 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Are you thick ? This is our people's problem , we go over sentimental without realizing what is being said .

He's actually secular guy, and that's not what he wishes, that is what he apprehends. Look at his other tweets on farmers protest. At best, he's neutral 

that is a major fib, he supports the idea of akhand bharat that is not secular.

[jkvlondon]

21 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

missed out army humla on Harmandir Sahib in 1955  as an answer to sikh refusal to accquiesce to Indian Constitution and refusing to sign it.

[Guest]

19 hours ago, intrigued said:

To respond to the original topic - In theory, yes Sikhi can be separated from Punjab, however many times we feel a connection due to our history. When we look at the significance of Punjab for us today, there is none except for "pilgrimages" 

Guru Sahib says the following about pilgrimages and spiritual growth:

http://sttm.co/s/21/182

ਤੀਰਥੁ ਤਪੁ ਦਇਆ ਦਤੁ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
teerath tap dhiaa dhat dhaan ||
Pilgrimages, austere discipline, compassion and charity

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਤਿਲ ਕਾ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
je ko paavai til kaa maan ||
these, by themselves, bring only an iota of merit.

http://sttm.co/s/165/2461

ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਤਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੇ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਗੁਮਾਨੁ ॥
teerath naataa kiaa kare man meh mail gumaan ||
But what is the use of bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, when the filth of stubborn pride is within the mind?

However, I would also want to have a connection to our culture and tradition of past and it is obviously plays an important role in our history as a panth.

I'm not quite sure of my position on this...

Dude Golden Temple Harmandar Sahib .. is sooo pavitar that even Devi Devtas go matha-tek there. ..... listen to Sant Maskeen Ji's katha and there are other asthaans. So No, Sikhi on mat-lok (planet Earth) cannot be separated from Bharat. 

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2]

On 12/28/2020 at 8:33 AM, AjeetSingh2019 said:

In reality, we only care for money , that's why there're protests now when we see possibility of losing lands, but there were just miniature protests compared to this during beadbi of GGS a few years back 

 

Miniature? You're forgetting social media was less prevalent then. Punjab was under lock down from all corners, Singhs were killed. It wasn't as big as what is happening today, but that can be summed up to social media.