sikh women Why are Sikh women always blamed for converting when Sikh men also do it

[GurjantGnostic]

4 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

Is the second woman Gulab Kaur, the freedom fighter from Sangrur? Here is a colourised photo of her I found 

 

It is indeed friend as you have found in color. Nice. 

[Premi5]

What the...

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/growing-up-as-a-british-indian-pakistani-woman

British Indian-Pakistani Layla Khan spoke to DESIblitz about growing up with dual heritage and discovering her identity 

Layla was born to an Indian Sikh father and a Pakistani Muslim mother, who had met and married in the UK.

Both had experienced quite a turbulent response from their families when they decided to marry.

It became very apparent that their relationship would not be accepted as Layla interestingly shared

*they changed her name for anonymity (but to a Muslim name)* 

 

 March 15, 2022

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, Premi5 said:

What the...

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/growing-up-as-a-british-indian-pakistani-woman

British Indian-Pakistani Layla Khan spoke to DESIblitz about growing up with dual heritage and discovering her identity 

Layla was born to an Indian Sikh father and a Pakistani Muslim mother, who had met and married in the UK.

Both had experienced quite a turbulent response from their families when they decided to marry.

It became very apparent that their relationship would not be accepted as Layla interestingly shared

*they changed her name for anonymity (but to a Muslim name)* 

 March 15, 2022

Even when the father is Sikh (unless he's a khatar soorma, lol), the dominant, stronger religion that imposes itself on the offspring always wins out even if it's the mother's. A lesson to be learned.

[proudkaur21]

44 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Even when the father is Sikh (unless he's a khatar soorma, lol), the dominant, stronger religion that imposes itself on the offspring always wins out even if it's the mother's. A lesson to be learned.

90% of sikhs too dumb to understand this. Which is why we need to have converts who are very strong in their conviction and don't believe in this liberalistic nonsense. Other wise what's the point of having converts too if they just marry non sikhs? I was reading this post from a convert having a non sikh partner and asking about relationship advice as to whether he should marry her or not. What's the point of becoming Sikh when you won't even pass it on? Sikhs of the past got their skulls scalped but did not leave sikhi and these present day so called sikhs will throw sikhi away in a heartbeat when someone from another group shows them some attention. They suffer from inferiority complex. Even Sikh men are useless at this point in spreading Sikhi through intermarriage.

[proudkaur21]

48 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Even when the father is Sikh (unless he's a khatar soorma, lol), the dominant, stronger religion that imposes itself on the offspring always wins out even if it's the mother's. A lesson to be learned.

I have also seen Sikh men marrying non sikhs who are interested in sikhi but not converts and then having kids teaching them sikhi but as soon as the child grows up they just are not attached to sikhi and are confused about their identity. For some reason sikhs are unable to hold onto sikhi. Maybe it's TRUE all the good sikhs became shaheed, now we are only left with not so good leftovers who probably converted for gains or other reason. Need new converts who are very strong in their conviction. I think somebody here posted an article about a french sikh convert who moved to punjab I dont remember where I read it but how many sikhs wilp move back to punjab for sikhi? Negligible. We have become a very materialistic people for some reason. Maybe our ancestors converted to sikhi for gains and now we are just following their footsteps.

[MisterrSingh]

14 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Maybe it's TRUE all the good sikhs became shaheed...

So a good Sikh is a dead Sikh? U wot m8?!?

[MisterrSingh]

18 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Maybe our ancestors converted to sikhi for gains and now we are just following their footsteps.

Reality minus the emotional rhetoric would suggest this to be the most likely cause.

Although what would a farmer in a pind actually gain from abandoning the polytheism of his ancestors and his immediate community, and latch onto the monotheism and religious code of a new belief system? Seems like a lot of hassle if it was purely materialistic. Maybe there was a simple sharda that spoke to our ancestors which has been diluted due to a changing world.

 

[dallysingh101]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:53 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Although what would a farmer in a pind actually gain from abandoning the polytheism of his ancestors and his immediate community, and latch onto the monotheism and religious code of a new belief system? Seems like a lot of hassle if it was purely materialistic

It appears as if farmers were getting hammered hard in taxes by the moghuls, and also bearing the brunt of predatory attacks by afghans. It was common practice for adversaries to burn their enemies crops up until the early 1900s even. Moghuls probably squeezed hard too, to get the state revenue. Plus we have oral traditions about their treatment of women they found attractive.  

The Sikh movement gave peasants a chance to strike back, and organise in a way they never could achieve on their own. The Khalsa movement (for instance) had a strong modern (for those times) military culture with regular training, honed by dasmesh pita themselves (i.e. panj hathiar, ashwaari culture), that the ahhhm peasant is unlikely to have access to outside of joining the state military system. That is not to say that there wasn't people from peasant backgrounds who had deep links to Sikhi and the Gurus themselves.

Plus it wouldn't be monotheism they would be converting to (if we are going to use those types of conceptualisations, but probably panentheism? Probably not even that as it's limiting in itself?). Conversion also offered a change in state from a norm of illiteracy to becoming literate (in Gurmukhi at least).  Plus the anti-establishment fighting numbers were bolstered by numbers and resources from outside of farmers.  

So for some, the conversion could have been based upon a potential existential crisis?  There is a difference between converting because you want to be affluent, from converting because the current set up makes it difficult to actually live. Even to this day, we see mass migration from farmers families to supplement their generationally dwindling land based income. This type of pressure can't be a new phenomena either?