Panjab marriages and exodus

[GurjantGnostic]

Love you the same bro. 

[Suchi]

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You do gather that some of us Sikhs actually believe this tisar panth supersedes all the other dharmic panths before it, don't you? 

Perhaps so. But the Quom has lost the battle of perception and persuasion. It cannot lead others to the light as it has removed those capable enough. It is in a flux. There is no vision of what it wishes for the future of humanity. 

Fighting for land and power due to anger and greed is where it's at, at present.  It has involved India in terror by forging alliances with all and sundry for control, and lost. 

 

[Suchi]

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

India should be leading the world spiritually and especially Dharmically and it is quite obviously..not..

Which is why you should ask for Khalsa Raj. Y'all aren't qualified or prepared to run anything apparently. 

It's sad bro. India should be a world power, and showing us what the fruits of Dharam look like. 

Instead it's playing tryhard tyrant and just failing. 

I'm rooting for you guys really. 

You are heavily influenced by the anti-India/anti-Hindu propaganda current at play, esp in the West. 

I suggest you read other sources of material to get a balanced perspective. 

This battle is a battle for the soul of humanity.  A battle we were told was already lost. 

I believe India Is bringing it back from the brink. May that continue. 

To fight an evil on the scale being fought is not a matter for armchair revolutionists. 

I'm more than aware of what this entails as I've personally been and am in the firing line. Along with my family members. 

So it is Not a Simple matter of fighting Adharam with Dharam. Not always possible if the demonic entities are more powerful. So all means need to be explored if we are to have a chance of winning. 

That is the Art of War. 

 

 

 

[Suchi]

On 2/5/2022 at 4:59 AM, proactive said:

The Punjabi Hindu has been in decline since the 1880s. Although they like to claim that they are rooted to Punjab, they are mostly landless. The higher caste Hindus are urban dwellers while the lower castes own very little land. Each decadal census from 1881 to 1941 commented on the decline of the Punjabi Hindu. The decline was actually greater because the Punjabi Hindu population was artificially boosted by the Hindus of Haryana and Himachal which were a part of Punjab during British times. If we look at the core Punjab areas - all of west Punjab and the present east Punjab historically, the Hindu population was declining on a large scale.

The only reason that Hindu population in Punjab has increased  in the last two decades is due to the migration of Bhaiyas from Bihar and UP. So from a declining population the Hindus in Punjab have had their population artificially boosted by migration into Punjab.

Punjab has nearly 2.5 million migrants which is 9% of the total population.  If we take that 100,000 of these could be Sikhs who migrated to Punjab from the rest of India after the genocide of 1984. After 1984 there was also an outmigration from Punjab of Punjabi Hindus who settled in Delhi and Haryana but the numbers were small possibly 20,000 at most and many came back to Punjab in the 1990s. 

If we take off another 200,000 who are Muslim Bhaiyas so that leaves 2.2 million Hindu Bhaiyas who have migrated to Punjab and who are included in the census figures for 2011. 

In 1971 when there were very few Bhaiyas in Punjab the population of Sikhs in Punjab was 60.22% and the Punjabi Hindus were 37.54% after 40 years of migration of Bhaiyas into Punjab in 2011 the Sikh population was 57.69% and the Hindu population was 38.49%.  The population of Punjab was 27.7 million in 2011. 

In absolute numbers Punjab's Hindu population in 2011 was 10.7 million and the Sikh population was 16 million. 

If we deduct these Hindu migrants from the total population of Punjab 27.7 - 2.2  millions bring Punjab's population to 25.5 million. 

Deducting the Hindu Bhaiya population from Punjab's Hindu population 10.7 - 2.2 million bring the Hindu population of Punjab to 8.5 million. 

So without the migration of Hindu Bhaiyas the Punjabi Hindu population was 33.3% and Punjab's Sikh population would have been 62.7% a slight increase from 60.22% 

If we take into account the larger number of Sikh migrants leaving Punjab for abroad compared to the number of Hindus leaving this would make the Sikh population percentage even greater. 

 

 

Your figures make No Sense. The graph shows total migrants into Punjab as 1.37cr which is 13.7 million. The rest of your data has no basis in fact ie. You've just made it up! 

We know that prior to 1984, Sikhs were 52% and Hindus were 48%.  The fight is Not between Hindus-Sikhs, it was for water and land resources. Fights are always about land and resources as oppressors wish to control both to control the population. As you're aware as you've mentioned that Hindu Punjabis own very little land.

Why that is could be the subject of an entirely different thread. But basically Hindu Khatris are a Warrior caste, hence are allowed weapons but Not Businesses or Land.  Called division of labour and power.  Hindu Brahmins are the Spiritual leaders hence not allowed to accumulate wealth or arms. Only the business class (3rd caste) are allowed to do business/accumulate wealth but cannot have arms or vedic knowledge. 

Because this has changed due to historical reasons there is Hell on Earth.  Jats (previously landless labourers) have money, land, arms and political power and claiming top caste!!! But they have Zero Spiritual Power due to Lack of Morals. Only good for Bhangra and Bhang. 

Sure they are great fighters. No doubt. 

Both Muslims and the British played their part in this. Called subversion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

What's Dharmi about that? This is what I'm talking about. Hindustan never misses an opportunity to prove how unworthy to exist it is. It's going to take hinduism and a lot of people down with it. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Learn chinese. 

[Suchi]

14 hours ago, proactive said:

Again complete BS.

During the mutiny the British recruited former Khalsa army troops to their ranks and when they wanted to expand the Sikh numbers after 1857 they relied on these as well as their sons to join the newly reorganised army. There would be very few cases of 'Hindu' Jats being former Khalsa army veterans because very few Hindus were in the army apart for non-Punjabi Gurkhas and Poorbiyas.

The army factor only came into play in the first world war when the British undertook intense recruitment in the years 1917-18. By then most of the Jathera/Sultani Jats had already become Sikhs. The only districts where Jathera/Sultanis were still around in large numbers was in Hoshiarpur where the British did not even recruit heavily and these Jats became Sikhs during the Akali movement. During WW1 The British favoured Jat and Mazhabi Sikh recruits because they had proven themselves in battle. The only Khatris and Brahmins they would recruit would be a few hundred mainly for administration work due to their higher rate of literacy. There is no doubt that small numbers of Jathera/Sultani Jats did join the army and become Sikhs but not in the numbers that justify your 'eldest son' BS. 

In my village the only known case of an actual Hindu becoming a Sikh after joining the army was of a Brahmin who became a Sikh during WW2 but upon being demobilised he cut his hair again and became a Hindu. His family were the only Hindus in the village and they maintained a family Mandir in the village. His son was a police officer and was killed by the Kharkoos in the late 80s.His other son migrated to Ludhiana. There are other Brahmin families in the villages but they had taken to farming at some stage and although still Brahmins they had become Sikhs probably around the 1930s and they are virtually indistinguishable from the Jats in the village. 

Again, you are making up data to justify your opinion. 

Do you know how many soldiers were in the British Indian army? How many Sikhs and how many Hindus, Muslims? 

Answer this first if you can.

 

[Suchi]

15 hours ago, proactive said:

And  I submit as evidence -;

Not a Single Fact offered by you to refute my theories! Hardly academic.

[Suchi]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

What's Dharmi about that? This is what I'm talking about. Hindustan never misses an opportunity to prove how unworthy to exist it is. It's going to take hinduism and a lot of people down with it. 

Surely it's in line with 'forgive your enemy' thought. Maybe these people chose Not to fight fire with fire in an attempt to put a line under this crime? 

We are not always able to understand why people make a particular decision. Esp in a case involving the gangrape of a family members. Would you want strangers knocking on your door at such a time? 

If Nihangs are really concerned about the welfare of their neighbours they could take a stance against the many genocidal crimes currently being committed. Such as in West Bengal where over 1 lac Hindus were hounded out of their homes? 

Or closer to home the 3 lac Kashmiri Hindus forced to become refugees in their own country. 

No tears for them? 

[Suchi]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Love you the same bro. 

Same to you.