Panjab marriages and exodus

[Suchi]

15 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

@Suchi

Please give us some background on who you are ? Are your family from Panjab? How old are you approximately?

What type of Hinduism do you follow ?

Why are you so keen to promote  alternative views that no-one here believes?

My mother's side were from Multan, father's from Ludhiana. I am an ex-IT professional and a whistleblower on govt crimes, now semi-retired. I was brought up in a secular household due to my mother being an Arya Samaji. Father was a follower of Mahatama Gandhi and politically left as we all were at one time. Both sides of my family were highly educated but deprived of their land and property following Partition.

I am keen for Unity within Punjab and India as I believe that is what is currently required to bring world peace.  I don't want an Islamic Caliphate For Sure. 

 

 

 

 

[Suchi]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Do your type of Hindus not believe in Amrit Vela ? I thought it was a shared Dharmic feature 

Hindus do not follow Amritvela as far as I'm aware. They may rise at dawn for Surya Namaskar. And do Aarti during evening prayers. 

Amritvela is essentially Sikh far as I can make out. I was trying to find correlation with Sufi/Islamic practices but could not. 

I've just come across this website that describes GGSji's call for Amritvela. Is this a true account? 

https://www.sikhfamilylife.com/2018/06/the-low-down-on-amrit-vela/

 

[GurjantGnostic]

22 hours ago, Suchi said:

You are heavily influenced by the anti-India/anti-Hindu propaganda current at play, esp in the West. 

I suggest you read other sources of material to get a balanced perspective. 

This battle is a battle for the soul of humanity.  A battle we were told was already lost. 

I believe India Is bringing it back from the brink. May that continue. 

To fight an evil on the scale being fought is not a matter for armchair revolutionists. 

I'm more than aware of what this entails as I've personally been and am in the firing line. Along with my family members. 

So it is Not a Simple matter of fighting Adharam with Dharam. Not always possible if the demonic entities are more powerful. So all means need to be explored if we are to have a chance of winning. 

That is the Art of War. 

 

 

 

This is the art of being sub human. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, Suchi said:

The Sikh Quom has had 500 years to build a civilisation worth mimicking. They have failed due to numerous reasons. 

If they want a chance to realign then they have to shed much of the falsehood being parroted daily. They have to demonstrate they are capable of administration. As far as I can see, only if seasoned administrators join the Panth they have a chance to do this.  Any administration has to be capable of including those outside the panth.  Instead, these outsiders have  been successful in recruiting the Quom to their cause.  

For example from my research the 5 kakkars are a British invention which the Quom has thus far refused to acknowledge.  Maybe it was done on purpose as a Divide and Rule tactic. 

 

 

Lol. Bro your inner demon is called hinduism. 

Sikhs didn't fail A. The british happened. The ones that gave you hinduism and hindustan. 

B. I've never encountered any such falsehood like you suggest in real life, media, internet or otherwise. Nor have you documented any. The only falsehoods I've found so far are against Sikhs repeatedly. 

C. Demonstrate they are capable of administration? That's a scary statement bro. Very nazi. Very facist. 

D. Sorry Panj Kakkar were given by who? Bro thank you for sharing exactly how dangerous and delusional the hindu narrative is. 

So this man's documentation of Rehit is what?

So the pommies interefered in this subsequent Rehit where? When?

And all the prebritish Sikhs were just walking around Panj Kakkar for no reason?

And Bhai Taru Singh Ji SHAHEED got himself scalped alive for shits and giggles? 

It's clear Khalsa need to be running india. Hinduism fail. 

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, Suchi said:

The Sikh Quom has had 500 years to build a civilisation worth mimicking. They have failed due to numerous reasons. 

No one has had it as rough as Sikhi coming up. But still it survives. With all of those powerful factors working against us too (till this day). It's like a tough kid that keeps getting knocked down but then keeps getting up on its feet. Wait till it grows up. 

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If they want a chance to realign then they have to shed much of the falsehood being parroted daily. They have to demonstrate they are capable of administration. As far as I can see, only if seasoned administrators join the Panth they have a chance to do this.  Any administration has to be capable of including those outside the panth.  Instead, these outsiders have  been successful in recruiting the Quom to their cause.  

Do you not see critical thinking happening here in front of your own eyes? If wasps took a century and killed our leaders and removed us from true administrative skills, the above is no surprise, but again the situation is NOT permanent. 

The problem we have with including outsiders into any theoretical Sikh administration is we've been burnt by the last time we did that under M. Ranjit Singh. Sikhs would be retarded not to note and learn from that. 

If we're going to 'open up the books' for the panth, we need to do it carefully, lest we get infiltrated by malicious forces. 

 

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For example from my research the 5 kakkars are a British invention which the Quom has thus far refused to acknowledge.  Maybe it was done on purpose as a Divide and Rule tactic. 

   

Panj Kakaar was always worn by Amritdharis, they just didn't have that name. What the british did though was remove some items from the hathiaars Singhs normally wore and reduced it down to a 'symbolic' non-functional kirpan in their colonialist dimilitarisation drive. 

Kesh was there, Kashera was there, Kirpan or talwar as part of panj hathiars. Kanga goes with kesh. And there are early european references to kara, as well as wearing some form of sarbloh (which was considered sacred) which kara probably comes from.   

[dallysingh101]

22 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Brother we are people of the indus civilization and we are in clash with the ganges civilization. We are not the same people. The history of punjab has been completely fabricated saying our ancestor were hindus and what not. All recent excavations from pakistan punjab have unearthed buddhist ruins. Where is this oldest religion of the world called hinduism and its ruins from that region? We are being lied to. We are not the same people. And hindu and Hinduism is a fraud philosophy copied from ancient Persian religion. They want to assimilate us to ganga land. It's sad alot of our people dont even know the history of our ancestors.

Personally (as a Sikh) I think racial interpretations of our past are limiting sis. We should learn, but even then, we have grow out of that for Sikhi to expand, which it must and is destined to happen. We've got jungh on the cards one way or another, we need to 'open up the books' a bit in a very selective manner in my opinion.  

[proudkaur21]

On 2/7/2022 at 2:21 PM, Suchi said:

The Sikh Quom has had 500 years to build a civilisation worth mimicking. They have failed due to numerous reasons. 

If they want a chance to realign then they have to shed much of the falsehood being parroted daily. They have to demonstrate they are capable of administration. As far as I can see, only if seasoned administrators join the Panth they have a chance to do this.  Any administration has to be capable of including those outside the panth.  Instead, these outsiders have  been successful in recruiting the Quom to their cause.  

For example from my research the 5 kakkars are a British invention which the Quom has thus far refused to acknowledge.  Maybe it was done on purpose as a Divide and Rule tactic. 

 

 

Most of our history we have been fighting against invaders lol you think we would be building civilization while people are attacking us from every side?  You are acting like all those 500 years we were just sitting and didnt build anyhting. Get over yourself. A country run by sikh values will be 1000 times better than hindu india in every sense. We are not influenced by anti hindu propaganda. We can see with our own eyes what's happening. 

[proudkaur21]

On 2/8/2022 at 8:35 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Personally (as a Sikh) I think racial interpretations of our past are limiting sis. We should learn, but even then, we have grow out of that for Sikhi to expand, which it must and is destined to happen. We've got jungh on the cards one way or another, we need to 'open up the books' a bit in a very selective manner in my opinion.  

But we need to understand that where this clash of values between us and them comes from. Without that we wont understand why a certain group of people is hell bent on assimilating our culture,language and religion. and its important to learn the history of our ancestors otherwise people will make up the history on our behalf.

[dallysingh101]

14 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

But we need to understand that where this clash of values between us and them comes from. Without that we wont understand why a certain group of people is hell bent on assimilating our culture,language and religion. and its important to learn the history of our ancestors otherwise people will make up the history on our behalf.

We need to keep an eye on our own who are consistently producing racialised/castecentric drivel for the masses to consume to fuel some insecure egos.  

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, dallysingh101 said:

We need to keep an eye on our own who are consistently producing racialised/castecentric drivel for the masses to consume to fuel some insecure egos.  

Like a hawk.