What's holding Sikhs back?

[dallysingh101]

3 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

don't need much money to get people to appear in music videos, especially if they are newbies in modelling industry. Just need a makeup artist as well.

They probably think it's their 'big break' poor things......

We had the same here about 15 odd years ago when PMC, Tru skool etc. were blowing up.  

[proudkaur21]

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Just saw this on PTC Punjabi channel. @proudkaur21

 

 

 

 

I wish we could show them the reality

They are not cool and have done nothing to be proud of being putt jattan de. I bet you none of them even worked a single day in the fields. They have bhalekha about how important to the world they are. 

[ipledgeblue]

3 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

I wish we could show them the reality

They are not cool and have done nothing to be proud of being putt jattan de. I bet you none of them even worked a single day in the fields. They have bhalekha about how important to the world they are. 

putt jattan deh with ancient greek and egyptian imagery, so what is their message exactly?

[Premi5]

Hopefully it's not more mangling of Sikhi with " Sikh" (Punjabi) and 'South Asian' culture

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/birmingham-2022-unites-sikh-community-23875249

Birmingham 2022 unites with Sikh community for South Asian culture festival at Walsall Stadium

United Colours, a South Asian festival celebrating the Sikh community, will take place at the end of this month at Walsall's Bescot Stadium

 

By

Robson McCallister

• 05:30, 15 MAY 2022

A huge South Asian festival celebrating Sikh culture and faith will be held on the pitch at Walsall’s Bescot Stadium at the end of the month. 'United Colours' has been organised by Sikh charity Global Sikh Union in association with Birmingham 2022 and will take place between May 28-29.

The South Asian festival of culture will include over 400 musicians and will also host the Commonwealth Games Community Roadshow. A number of sports will be available for people to try including a mobile squash court.

Aside from sport and music, the two day festival is an opportunity to celebrate Sikh history. Global Sikh Vision's head of operations Ashveen Kaur Kohli spoke about what historical elements attendees can expect at the end of the month.

 

“The main thing we want to bring to the events is that we have a historical exhibition. We’ll have an exhibition on the Sikh Empire and an art gallery.

“It’s about coming and embracing history. Learning different things including the different rulings of India and bringing up a timeline of history.

“Let’s not be afraid and scared of history. Let’s see the entire timeline for what it was, engage with it and be proud of the history.

“Birmingham 2022 has been amazing and heavily involved in this event. 'United Colours' is an event for community cohesion and for the entire South Asian community - but we recognise it’s from Global Sikh Vision, a Sikh charity.

“We’ve had meetings back and forth every week for the last couple of months. They’ve been incredible and we’re grateful that they’re joining us.”

The involvement with the Sikh community comes after Birmingham 2022 was criticised by Sikh faith leaders last month. Cllr Gurdial Singh Atwal had said: "Since the Games arrived, we have had little or no contact from the Games Organising Committee, we are literally missing from the Games Cultural programme, just like other South Asian communities like the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities."

West Midlands Mayor Andy Street met with both the Sikh community and Birmingham 2022 on April 28 to address the diversity concerns that were raised. Mr Street tweeted: “It was great to hear the clear commitment from Games organisers to practical action in the next 90 days that will make a real difference for communities.”

The upcoming festival will feature Birmingham 2022 Hometown Hero and wrestling coach Ranjit Singh who will give a talk on Sikh communities links to wrestling with Games mascot Perry the Bull also in attendance All of the fundraising on the day will be given to the British Heart Foundation with funds used for lifesaving treatment as well as to raise awareness to the South Asian community.

Birmingham 2022 has been working with both Global Sikh Vision and Walsall Football Club for a number of months on the festival to ensure the event runs as smoothly as possible. Birmingham 2022 lead community engagement manager Abigail Shervington views 'United Colours' as a chance for people to get involved with the Commonwealth Games if they are unable to attend the event this summer.

[proudkaur21]

If only this dude had the attitude towards sikhi rather than nonsense punjabi culture.....

[MisterrSingh]

22 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

If only this dude had the attitude towards sikhi rather than nonsense punjabi culture.....

Why? He'd only have some sect-obsessed loyalist claim he wasn't a "real" Sikh because he didn't belong to one jatha or another, lol.

[Premi5]

@dallysingh101 is this okay? harmless fun ?

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/telford/2022/05/13/ladies-all-smiles-at-colourful-punjabi-dance-contest-in-telford/

Ladies all smiles at colourful Punjabi dance contest in Telford

By Nick HumphreysTelfordPublished: May 13, 2022

Ladies donned colourful dresses and got their groove on for a Punjabi folk dance competition.

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UK's 1st gidha competition winners were Addi Tappa from Derby, with Councillor Amrik Jhowar during the trophy presentation

Teams from all over the UK descended on the Telford Cultural and Leisure Centre in Hadley for the first ever UK-wide Gidda contest. A team from Derby, “Addi Tappa”, emerged victorious.

Councillor Amrik Jhawar, the mayor of Telford and Wrekin, was the chief guest and handed the prizes to the winning team and to all those who participated in the competition.

One member of each team was also selected as the gidhna de Rani (folk dancing Queen).

 

The event was covered by three UK Indian TV stations and national Indian newspapers.

 

 

 

In a joint statement, they said, “It was unbelievable. The atmosphere was electric. All the ladies had come dressed in traditional Punjabi dresses oozing in bright rainbow colours and they were just full of life. Every ticket was sold out and because they were all so good, picking the ultimate winner was the hardest job.”

Mokesh and Sunita said they wanted to thank all those who attended the event and in particular the two hostesses and five judges, and their other team members Taro Kaur and Hardeep Baglee.

Trophies were sponsored by Julies Conveniences Store in Hadley.

 

 

[dallysingh101]

2 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

is this okay? harmless fun ?

It's hard to tell, but what I think is highly likely is that if we have a stronger 'Panjabi cultural identity' than a Sikh one, we'll be forever complaining about the other communities that put their faith first over their culture and how they are more cohesive than us, and achieve more. 

I recognise we can't be all sombre and serious all the time as a quom, and that fun is essential in life, but I guess it's the context and arrangements for this that make a difference. We know we've actually helped put some of our own in the hands of predators in the past through this. A balance has to be achieved, and me personally, I think that a strong primary Sikh identity with a deeply rooted (but shrewd) empathy and brotherly/sisterly affection for your own, and a desire and will to actively participate in developing your community is paramount. Folk dancing can be a fun, temporary relief from things, but when we excessively focus on that to the detriment of developing in other key areas, we'll only be at a constant disadvantage to other more astute, better organised, forward thinking groups. 

[ipledgeblue]

7 hours ago, Premi5 said:

@dallysingh101 is this okay? harmless fun ?

 

 

7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's hard to tell, but what I think is highly likely is that if we have a stronger 'Panjabi cultural identity' than a Sikh one, we'll be forever complaining about the other communities that put their faith first over their culture and how they are more cohesive than us, and achieve more. 

I recognise we can't be all sombre and serious all the time as a quom, and that fun is essential in life, but I guess it's the context and arrangements for this that make a difference. We know we've actually helped put some of our own in the hands of predators in the past through this. A balance has to be achieved, and me personally, I think that a strong primary Sikh identity with a deeply rooted (but shrewd) empathy and brotherly/sisterly affection for your own, and a desire and will to actively participate in developing your community is paramount. Folk dancing can be a fun, temporary relief from things, but when we excessively focus on that to the detriment of developing in other key areas, we'll only be at a constant disadvantage to other more astute, better organised, forward thinking groups. 

in this fun, innocent way it's kind of ok. they are also preserving some folk stories and sayings in their boliyaan. It's only when people start obsessing over bhangra competitions and also these bhangra songs and videos which objectify women and use lyrics which dumb down our community, that's when things are going bad and we need to concentrate more on our sikhi, learning bani and history, and even preserving raag music and raag keertan etc.

[SinghPunjabSingh]

Well said Dally Paji.

There is no (south) Asian identity to be proud of.

People of sub-contiental ancestry in the Diaspora should describe themselves as Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh instead.

(Though I can understand the Muslim and Pakistani desire to describe groomers via the generic term of Asian. As the blanket term has also assisted Pakistani Muslim MP's to represent 10% of the opposition parliamentary seats in England with a party that could come to power in a coalition in 2years time - which would result in at least ten more Mirpuri Muslim Jatts like the pedophile Lord Nazir Ahmad holding serious power. This is in the context of there being no Sikh MP's in Parliament between 2015-2017).

Similarly, there is no Punjabi identity to be proud of.

Most Punjabi's are Muslims. 90% of historic Punjabi's are non-Sikhs.

Pakistani Punjabi's overwhelmingly despise the Punjabi language which they refer to the language of Sikhs as a "Chuhre-Chamaar'ah di Zubaan" because of course they refer to us Sikhs as a "Chuhre-Chamaar'ah di Qaum" (which of course, we are proud of via our Sikh Shaheeds and those greats who wrote our Shabad Guru).

So why are we so brainlessly beating the drum of Punjabiyat?

It doesn't exist!

The only identity we should openly declare and be proud is of being Sikh.